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Old 04-11-2012, 06:32 PM   #1
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I know alot of people have given their opinions on how they would've remade the entire series in their own ways,but I was just wondering about little scenes,lines or moments you would like to redo. Let's say the general plots and characters from the films are intact,but what little lines or moments would you change?
-Obviously,I'd give Venom a few more lines and cool things to do in Spidey 3. One idea I had was when Spidey and Venom first meet on top of that suspended taxi. Once Venom lands on the car I'd have him keep his "Venom face," and in a scary voice,growl the word," Parkerrrrr!!" Spidey would whisper to himself,"The symbiote!" Then Brock's face is revealed and Spidey says,"Oh my God! Eddie!" Brock would then say(with a twsited smile),"I'm flattered you still remember me,Pete. By the way,remember when you told me to find religion? Well,I found something better!" He would then grab MJ by the throat,as the symbiote would cover Brock's mouth. Then he uses a long tongue to lick the side of MJ's face and says,"Karma's a bit like her,Petey...kind of a bit@h!" Spidey would then leap at Brock only to be punched and knocked to the web below.

Just one of a few small tweeks I'd make.

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Old 04-18-2012, 03:39 PM   #2
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The hospital scene, I won't damage a strong horror scene with the cheesy 'NOOOOOOOO', I'll keep Octaviuses shock subtle, he'll walk through the hospital corridors in silent panic, people will panic, some will look inside the OR and call the police, no music the entire scene

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Old 04-18-2012, 06:24 PM   #3
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The "nooo" is fine, although I would keep the tentacles from reacting in the manner they reacted during the scene with screaming in agony with Otto.

I would also redo the entirety of Spider-Man 3. Keep in the line of straight-laced humor seen in 1 and 2 as well as the "cheese" that Raimi enjoys, but much less of it and better ideas for the characters, especially Aunt May who seemed like she had nothing to do in the film as well as making Captain Stacy actually ACT like a father/cares for his daughter.

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Old 04-19-2012, 01:59 AM   #4
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All the redo Spider-Man 3 really needs is:
  • Dancing, go away, shoo
  • Make Connors a biologist
  • Gwen Stacey in Peter's science class? Are they in middle school in my country or something? He's majoring physics, he should have lots of physics subjects
  • And Peter saying "Spider-Man used to be attacked all the time". Aahh, no, he was revered stupid
  • Crane scene, we need more details

And those, are nitpicks

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Old 04-19-2012, 11:33 AM   #5
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All the redo Spider-Man 3 really needs is:
  • Dancing, go away, shoo
  • When Peter danced around twice...it's not a nitpick. There's a difference between his happy spring step in Spider-Man 2 and grinding into nothingness in Spider-Man 3 when Raimi wanted the symbiote to look like a joke. I wouldn't mind the jazz scene as much if he didn't do that dance routine by himself earlier.

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  • Make Connors a biologist
  • Not a nitpick when it just messes up who Connors is in the comics, but although...this has happened already with Gwen being a model and not a nerd and MJ was not a party girl in the trilogy.

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  • Gwen Stacey in Peter's science class? Are they in middle school in my country or something? He's majoring physics, he should have lots of physics subjects
  • This may be a nitpick, lol. Do we even know what Peter is majoring in? And plus, for some subjects, you have to take courses outside of your major.

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  • And Peter saying "Spider-Man used to be attacked all the time". Aahh, no, he was revered stupid
  • He was hated by quite a bit of New Yorkers in the beginning of Spider-Man 1 and not just JJJ.

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And those, are nitpicks
And as I said....Captain Stacy should've acted like he cared enough to worry about the potential idea of Gwen falling to her death in that scene.

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Old 04-19-2012, 12:37 PM   #6
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All the redo Spider-Man 3 really needs is:
  • Dancing, go away, shoo
  • Make Connors a biologist
  • Gwen Stacey in Peter's science class? Are they in middle school in my country or something? He's majoring physics, he should have lots of physics subjects
  • And Peter saying "Spider-Man used to be attacked all the time". Aahh, no, he was revered stupid
  • Crane scene, we need more details

And those, are nitpicks
Heh, yeah. And all Batman & Robin needed was more make-up on Clooney.

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Old 04-19-2012, 01:43 PM   #7
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The dancing is no nitpick. That is a valid criticism.
It's a nitpick

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When Peter danced around twice...it's not a nitpick. There's a difference between his happy spring step in Spider-Man 2 and grinding into nothingness in Spider-Man 3 when Raimi wanted the symbiote to look like a joke. I wouldn't mind the jazz scene as much if he didn't do that dance routine by himself earlier.
Little scenes, remember?
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Heh, yeah. And all Batman & Robin needed was more make-up on Clooney.

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Old 04-19-2012, 01:48 PM   #8
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It's a nitpick
Entire scenes of goofball dancing are not nitpicks. Those scenes are some of the most criticized in Spider-Man 3.

If that's a nitpick then I shudder to think what a real criticism is.

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Old 04-19-2012, 01:56 PM   #9
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Entire scenes of goofball dancing are not nitpicks. Those scenes are some of the most criticized in Spider-Man 3.

If that's a nitpick then I shudder to think what a real criticism is.
Dancing scene 1 has plenty of cutaways, and it wasn't really a dance until he left the clothes store
Dancing in the club is a short scene

But losing your powers cause you keep sulking is a touching and smart idea that lasts 32 minutes
How about in SM3 we have Peter mad and upset in a way he loses his powers - AGAIN- then the symbiote goes on him and he can't shoot webs, then what?

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The dancing is no nitpick. That is a valid criticism.

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Old 04-19-2012, 03:26 PM   #11
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Move on and get back to talking about stuff you'll redo, like this stuff from SM1:
This Goblin line from times square: "We'll meet again, SPIDER-MAAAN". Omit this waste
Spidey saving MJ and swinging around with her instead of putting her down, fix that by just putting her down back in TS, and ever survivor from that balcony
In the burning building, just make Spider-Man's line "You're out of your mind"

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Old 04-19-2012, 04:01 PM   #12
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Dancing scene 1 has plenty of cutaways, and it wasn't really a dance until he left the clothes store
He was jigging down the street making those silly hand gestures with that music playing.

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Dancing in the club is a short scene
It was long enough to make an impression, spawn several parodies mocking it, and annoy many people.

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But losing your powers cause you keep sulking is a touching and smart idea that lasts 32 minutes
Translation: Losing your powers because you're isolated from your best friend, the girl you love, feeling guilty over your Uncle's death, losing jobs, failing college and unable to help your poor Aunt keep the family home.

Yes, that is touching.

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How about in SM3 we have Peter mad and upset in a way he loses his powers - AGAIN- then the symbiote goes on him and he can't shoot webs, then what?
Is this a rhetorical question or are you just fond of making up stupid scenarios that would never happen?

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Old 04-19-2012, 04:15 PM   #13
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Did I forget to say we should get back to the title suggestion? Cause I think that's overdue

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He was jigging down the street making those silly hand gestures with that music playing.

It was long enough to make an impression, spawn several parodies mocking it, and annoy many people.
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Translation: Losing your powers because you're isolated from your best friend, the girl you love, feeling guilty over your Uncle's death, losing jobs, failing college and unable to help your poor Aunt keep the family home.

Yes, that is touching.
It would be touching if he started losing hair, or had an ulcer

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I'm fond of making fun of stupid scenarios, like that one in SM2

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I agree. I love seeing it being mocked for the rubbish it is.

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It would be touching if he started losing hair, or had an ulcer
I'm assuming that redundant remark is just more of your own brand of unfunny humor.

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I'm fond of making fun of stupid scenarios, like that one in SM2
If it was as stupid as you claim, it would have been parodied or mocked by the masses like the aforementioned rubbish in Spider-Man 3 was. But it wasn't.

If it was so stupid then Spider-Man 2 would not be hailed as one of the greats in the superhero genre since the power loss plot is a such a huge part of the story. Not to mention it's specifically taken from the comics where Peter lost his powers due to emotional stress.

Peter never danced around with an emo style haircut in the comics, thankfully.

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Old 04-19-2012, 04:32 PM   #15
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I agree. I love seeing it being mocked for the rubbish it is.
I like this spirit

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I'm assuming that redundant remark is just more of your own brand of unfunny humor.
It's not humor, it's how that scene would be far less silly and more serious

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If it was as stupid as you claim, it would have been parodied or mocked by the masses like the aforementioned rubbish in Spider-Man 3 was. But it wasn't.
It was stupid in the 60s comic, it was a little less stupid in the 90s cartoon, it's even more stupid in the movie

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If it was so stupid then Spider-Man 2 would not be hailed as one of the greats in the superhero genre since the power loss plot is a such a huge part of the story. Not to mention it's specifically taken from the comics where Peter lost his powers due to emotional stress.
Which makes it an overrated film, and look above

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Peter never danced around with an emo style haircut in the comics, thankfully.
I'm going to agree, the comics are less stupid than these movies anyway

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I'm sorry but those dancing scenes are the equivalent of the bat-credit card in B&R.

Only the bat-credit card moment was much shorter.

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I'm sorry but those dancing scenes are the equivalent of the bat-credit card in B&R.

Only the bat-credit card moment was much shorter.

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Care to elaborate your dodging?
Your statement is funny, no dodging happened

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I'd replace 'Eddie' in the first movie with 'Lance', or don't make Eddie a new guy in SM3

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Id redo spiderman 3 by not even having Venom. You could still introduce Eddie Brock if you wanted, but leave Venom for the sequel that could have happened if 3 wasn't as heavily criticized.

Instead, id have dr connors become the lizard king and have harry and pete battle throughout the movie. In other words, make the build up that was established in the first two movies actually pay off. Ramp up the emotion between peter and harry and make it a key element of the story.

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I rewatched the original Spider-man today. I still love the movie alot. I hadn't really seen it in a while but it really made me see that Dafoe's Goblin is the cheesiest villain of the series,and one of the cheesiest in comic book history. His lines were horrible in most cases(and cliche)and when you mix that with his Power ranger costume it just comes out so damn flat. Dafoe is really great as Norman though,even when he's "talking" to himself,but once he put that Goblin suit on...Ugh.

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How could Raimi make SM3 any good if he has to have Venom as a villain,you have to have the symbiote first.It's like Avi Arad didn't get this,why couldn't he let Raimi have just the symbiote in SM3 and have Venom in SM4.

Answer is,because the movie was gonna end as a trilogy and Avi Arad wanted to give fans Venom.

I don't know why they wanted the movie to end with SM3 since it was a successful movie franchise for them.

And so Raimi had to give us Harry's revenge by becoming a goblin,and have one of his classic villains that he orignally planned,and another villain that was forced on him.

Raimi could of made Harry get his revenge instead of being a goblin,he could of had Harry make a super villain Electro to kill spidey.

And show how Peter was really sick when he was a kid and how his dad put the symbiote into Peter's body to cure him.Show how the symbiote has been dormat this whole time.

But all the electricity that Electro zaps on spidey wakes it,creating the black spider-man.

Then spidey defeats Electro and takes it off,then Venom is the main villain.

Then when they wanted to do SM4,Raimi could of done his Vulture/Sandman story.

SM5 his Lizard story.

Too bad,what a shame that it didn't go down a different way.

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How could Raimi make SM3 any good if he has to have Venom as a villain,you have to have the symbiote first.It's like Avi Arad didn't get this,why couldn't he let Raimi have just the symbiote in SM3 and have Venom in SM4.
I don't think you need a separate Venom film to explain the symbiote -- it works great for serialised comics but it's sort of a good thing to have self-contained stories for films. On that note, I love the fact that we saw Harry's character really go through an arc in this trilogy.

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Answer is,because the movie was gonna end as a trilogy and Avi Arad wanted to give fans Venom.

I don't know why they wanted the movie to end with SM3 since it was a successful movie franchise for them.

And so Raimi had to give us Harry's revenge by becoming a goblin,and have one of his classic villains that he orignally planned,and another villain that was forced on him.
As far as I recall Sandman was always a big favourite of everyone around: Raimi, Maguire, Arad, etc. They should've went with Pete's wedding story this time. But as for keeping it within SM3 it's only because of sequel-anxiety, how many good movies end on 4 right? In this case, none.

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And show how Peter was really sick when he was a kid and how his dad put the symbiote into Peter's body to cure him.Show how the symbiote has been dormat this whole time. But all the electricity that Electro zaps on spidey wakes it,creating the black spider-man.
You're thinking more about TASM here, since Pete's parents weren't even a focus in the first trilogy. I like the meteor-crashing "traditional" explanation straight off the animated series. Would've liked it better if they tied it in with John Jameson.

SM3 should've stuck with Harry as the main bad, and gone with Mysterio instead of Sandman. It'd have appealed to Raimi's love of B-rated film theatrics. Make him into this really worthy foe on a criminal level and not as sympathetic. But heck, since they got Venom they should've at least taken more cues from the animated series.

For one thing: "God I want you to kill Spider-Man" should've been changed.

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There's a few things that could change here or there, but I'd probably give Mary Jane some more spunk in general. Dunst was short-changed.

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