Avengers Assembled: News and Speculation - Part 67

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[Incredible Hans]

Originally Posted by jaqua99

Yeah kinda, but I mean, I feel like they really destroyed Loki's character. He was humilated multiple times in the movie.

Nah, that is a huge exaggeration. The character wasn't destroyed at all.

[DyeLorean]

Loki had his confrontation with every Avenger, he got away multiple times with several members. It's only logical that at the end he is "defeated".

[Smashlilman]

Originally Posted by DyeLorean

Loki had his confrontation with every Avenger, he got away multiple times with several members. It's only logical that at the end he is "defeated".

[The Infernal]

Yeah, I don't get the 'Loki was humiliated/destroyed as a character' viewpoint. Hulk beat his ass and he was taken down a peg, but generally that's what happens to the villain and in Loki's case he was too full of himself that he had to come crashing down at some point. It hardly ruins his character.

[BigThor]

Originally Posted by The Infernal

Yeah, I don't get the 'Loki was humiliated/destroyed as a character' viewpoint. Hulk beat his ass and he was taken down a peg, but generally that's what happens to the villain and in Loki's case he was too full of himself that he had to come crashing down at some point. It hardly ruins his character.

Hulk also attacked him mid sentence and Loki was without his weapon, so I found it totally plausible.

[jaqua99]

Originally Posted by The Infernal

Yeah, I don't get the 'Loki was humiliated/destroyed as a character' viewpoint. Hulk beat his ass and he was taken down a peg, but generally that's what happens to the villain and in Loki's case he was too full of himself that he had to come crashing down at some point. It hardly ruins his character.

I wasn't talking about the Hulk part. That part was totally justified, coulda done without it, but it was still justified. I just felt like everytime he did something menacing, it was thrown away by something funny, Loki's disgusting rant into Black Widow, only leading him to look like a fool, Loki..getting out smarted by black widow...ehh....getting beat by Ironman on the tower, knocked away easily, Him catching hawkeye's arrow was badass, it was intimidating, but then it blows up in his face, knocking him off, creating laughter from the audience. I feel like he was at the mercy of the need for laughter, and a little to much so, thus taking away the quality of his villian.


That is the best way I can put it.

[The Infernal]

Originally Posted by jaqua99

I wasn't talking about the Hulk part. That part was totally justified, coulda done without it, but it was still justified. I just felt like everytime he did something menacing, it was thrown away by something funny, Loki's disgusting rant into Black Widow, only leading him to look like a fool, Loki..getting out smarted by black widow...ehh....getting beat by Ironman on the tower, knocked away easily, Him catching hawkeye's arrow was badass, it was intimidating, but then it blows up in his face, knocking him off, creating laughter from the audience. I feel like he was at the mercy of the need for laughter, and a little to much so, thus taking away the quality of his villian.


That is the best way I can put it.

I don't see how Widow sussing out who he was after as making him look like a fool. I mean is he never allowed to be outsmarted? That just seems like something really minor to nitpick. I don't know, a lot of what you say reads like they should never get the upper hand.

Also, Loki still took the beating he got and walked away (well not from the Hulk though). He dominated for most of the movie and still put up a fight when the Avengers united against him. I've got no problem with the arrow exploding and sending him flying. In that brief moment between catching it and it exploding I was worried that Hawkeye might be portrayed as being useless against him.

[LuisTX85]

Originally Posted by jaqua99

I wasn't talking about the Hulk part. That part was totally justified, coulda done without it, but it was still justified. I just felt like everytime he did something menacing, it was thrown away by something funny, Loki's disgusting rant into Black Widow, only leading him to look like a fool, Loki..getting out smarted by black widow...ehh....getting beat by Ironman on the tower, knocked away easily, Him catching hawkeye's arrow was badass, it was intimidating, but then it blows up in his face, knocking him off, creating laughter from the audience. I feel like he was at the mercy of the need for laughter, and a little to much so, thus taking away the quality of his villian.


That is the best way I can put it.

Eh that kind of stuff happens to him in the comics all the time,I see no big deal nor effecting him as a villain when he was overall still a threat!!

[DyeLorean]

Originally Posted by Smashlilman

What I meant is, I don't think he was humiliated like they say.

[BigThor]

Originally Posted by DyeLorean

Loki had his confrontation with every Avenger, he got away multiple times with several members. It's only logical that at the end he is "defeated".

I think he's saying Loki could've atleast put up more of a fight.

[jaqua99]

Originally Posted by BigThor

I think he's saying Loki could've atleast put up more of a fight.

This. Maybe not humiliated. But it seems like everything menacing he did kind of just got put back, he lost to iron man twice. The Hulk part was great. However, not really necessary. And the arrow thing, I mean I think it would have been better if he like threw it away before it blew up. Humiliated is the wrong word, its more of, things happened that kind of pulled away from his menacing nature and led it more towards comedic.

[MrGreen]

Originally Posted by jaqua99

This. Maybe not humiliated. But it seems like everything menacing he did kind of just got put back, he lost to iron man twice. The Hulk part was great. However, not really necessary. And the arrow thing, I mean I think it would have been better if he like threw it away before it blew up. Humiliated is the wrong word, its more of, things happened that kind of pulled away from his menacing nature and led it more towards comedic.

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Against Iron Man twice? when? I just remember IM shooting him after he dressed in mark 7

[jaqua99]

Originally Posted by MrGreen

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Against Iron Man twice? when? I just remember IM shooting him after he dressed in mark 7

*by ironman, idk why I said twice. The whole, him surrendering to Ironman thing at the beginning was just part of his plan

But even so

The deal with Loki, that's my only beef with the movie. And its very mild, because the movie is about the origin of the avengers, not Avengers vs villian, but still, I woulda liked them to not lessen Loki's menace as a villian, just for kicks,


still though, I give the movie a 9.8/10. My favorite movie. Never seen a flawless movie.

I would like to point out Avengers has taken over the top spot for me, after Jurassic park held it for 12 years

[Silvermoon]

Well, I'm at the theater for my 2nd round (this time in 2D) majority of audience seems to be more around my age (college age), few smaller children but no toddlers so far *keeping my fingers crossed* it's definitely packed though

[Lady Marion]

Originally Posted by Silvermoon

Well, I'm at the theater for my 2nd round (this time in 2D) majority of audience seems to be more around my age (college age), few smaller children but no toddlers so far *keeping my fingers crossed* it's definitely packed though

Question btw: Is it allowed in the US to take small children to such a movie?

Excuse me the interuption of your talk.

[HighFivingMF]

Originally Posted by Lady Marion

Question btw: Is it allowed in the US to take small children to such a movie?

Excuse me the interuption of your talk.

As long as they're with a 21-year-old, you can take them to any movie that isn't NC-17.

[Lady Marion]

Originally Posted by HighFivingMF

As long as they're with a 21-year-old, you can take them to any movie that isn't NC-17.

Thanks for the info. That's liberal, but I don't think it's good to take small kids to a loud and exiting movie, when they could get frightened. Only my opinion.

Back to topic an thanks a lot.

[SimiOfDoom]

Originally Posted by Lady Marion

Thanks for the info. That's liberal, but I don't think it's good to take small kids to a loud and exiting movie, when they could get frightened. Only my opinion.

Back to topic an thanks a lot.

That might not even be the biggest problem. When I saw it last saturday there was a boy with his parents and I guess he was 6 to 8 years old, somewhere along the 1 hour mark he started to lose concentration and was restless, even running around a bit.

[kaijunexus]

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I noticed that Loki was wearing a cover over his mouth when Thor was taking him back to Asgard, but I didn't notice if his arms or legs were shackled or anything.

Seems strange that Thor would feel the need to keep Loki's mouth shut, but not put his arms or legs in chains...or did I miss something?

[MrGreen]

Originally Posted by kaijunexus

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I noticed that Loki was wearing a cover over his mouth when Thor was taking him back to Asgard, but I didn't notice if his arms or legs were shackled or anything.

Seems strange that Thor would feel the need to keep Loki's mouth shut, but not put his arms or legs in chains...or did I miss something?

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Loki had his hands tied with a weird pair of handcuff (maybe Asgardian or Starkian) and his mouth shut, wich I wind pretty funny after what happened to him with Hulk

[kedrell]

His hands were shackled as I recall.

[BigThor]

Originally Posted by kedrell

His hands were shackled as I recall.

I really don't remember, but I'm sure his mouth was covered because Thor didn't wanna hear any of his trash talking.

[BAXWAR]

Originally Posted by BigThor

I really don't remember, but I'm sure his mouth was covered because Thor didn't wanna hear any of his trash talking.

Yep. He has special looking restraints on his hands.