Whedonisms in TA

[jaymes_e06]

The ones that come to my mind first that

Dialogue-everything every character says lol

Hawkeye "staking" on of the Chitauri with one of his bolts

Fight choreography reminded me of Buffy a lot in general

Feminism:
Black Widow being such a badass

Previously worked with people:
Alexis Denisof as The Other, he's obviously an Angel Alum,
Ashley Johnson waitress who gives TA the at the end
Enver Gjookaj known from Dollhouse is a cop in the film
Chris Hemsworth obviously

Anything else I'm missing?

[Mr. Immortal]

You got all the big ones. I think Tony says ''Earth's Mightiest Heroes type thing''. That's one, yes?

[bonzob2000]

Originally Posted by Mr. Immortal

You got all the big ones. I think Tony says ''Earth's Mightiest Heroes type thing''. That's one, yes?

Oh yes. Super Whedon-y.

[The Question]

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Coulson's death. Abruptly killing off beloved supporting characters right in the middle of a scene where them dying seems the least likely is something he does a lot.

[Drizzle]

Originally Posted by The Question

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Coulson's death. Abruptly killing off beloved supporting characters right in the middle of a scene where them dying seems the least likely is something he does a lot.

He said Marvel forced him to do that.

[Vartha]

Originally Posted by Drizzle

He said Marvel forced him to do that.

I'm still betting that was

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an LMD and not the real deal

[pyromaniac]

Originally Posted by The Question

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Coulson's death. Abruptly killing off beloved supporting characters right in the middle of a scene where them dying seems the least likely is something he does a lot.

Well, yes, but interestingly enough, it was actually Marvel's idea. He just ran with it, and made it much more poignant naturally...

[Donnie Darko]

Originally Posted by The Question

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Coulson's death. Abruptly killing off beloved supporting characters right in the middle of a scene where them dying seems the least likely is something he does a lot.

When that happened, I leaned over to my friend and whispered "I am a leaf in the wind."

[jaymes_e06]

Wonder what he'll put in for TA2 maybe a intire scooby gang reuniun. lol

[marvelrobbins]

Originally Posted by jaymes_e06

The ones that come to my mind first that

Dialogue-everything every character says lol

Hawkeye "staking" on of the Chitauri with one of his bolts

Fight choreography reminded me of Buffy a lot in general

Feminism:
Black Widow being such a badass

Previously worked with people:
Alexis Denisof as The Other, he's obviously an Angel Alum,
Ashley Johnson waitress who gives TA the at the end
Enver Gjookaj known from Dollhouse is a cop in the film
Chris Hemsworth obviously

Anything else I'm missing?

Jeremy Renner was on episode of Angel

Alexis Denisof was on Buffy,Angel,and Dollhouse

[bonzob2000]

-- The opening cratering of the Shield facility reminded me of the cratering of Sunnydale in Buffy's finale.

-- Hero shots, like the spin around the heroes one, and the shot with Hawkeye in the front of all the team around Loki, are a Whedon specialty. He did tons of cool ones in Buffy, Angel, and Serenity.

-- When Loki was imprisoned and driving the team against each other, it reminded me when the imprisoned Angelus did much the same thing on Angel.

-- Whedon loves big monsters attacking cities. He's used them in Fray, Buffy, Angel, and Astonishing X-Men. In Fray, the main character is swallowed by the monster and then bursts through his eyeball to kill him... this reminded me of Stark's "Jonah and the Whale" routine.

The dialogue is very Whedon-y throughout, which is to be expected. Though he didn't do the Whedon thing of adding -y's to the end of words.

Lines of dialogue that struck me as particularly Whedonesque that aren't mentioned too often:

"Finally, someone who speaks English!"
"Is that what that was?"

"I watched you sleeping... I mean... I was present while you were unconscious."

"We are hopelessly, hilariously, outgunned."

[DACrowe]

I'll be honest, many of Tony's lines in this film, as well as a few of Nick Fury's, I could imagine Captain Mal Reynolds (Nathan Fillion in Firefly and Serenity) delivering with that more Whedon-y style.

A few:

"Tell me if real power wants a magazine or something."

When Tony stabs Banner and stares at him expectantly. "Nothin'?!" I can literally see Nathan Fillion making that exact expression.

"That man is playing galaca. He thought no one would notice, but we did."

"Um, Shakespeare in the park? Doesth mother know thou is wearing her drapes."

"[Nick Fury] is a spy. He is the spy. His secrets have secrets."

Broader Whedonisms that I don't just see being from that particular character:

"So that's what it does."

"He's adopted."

"There's a great schwarmma place two blocks away. I don't know what schwarmma is but I really want to try it....And then schwarmma after?"

The whole "18 percent" thing between Pepper and Tony.

"Ant, meet boot."

"I'm listening," Loki says mockingly after Thor gets knocked away.

Hulk destroying Loki in five seconds.

Coulson trying to get Cap to sign his vintage trading cards.

And on serious notes, Agent Coulson dying.

Nick Fury throwing Coulson's playing cards at Cap on the table. "I guess he never did get you to sign these." Also the lighting in that scene is very similar to a scene in Serenity, right down to the lighting.

Cap giving Nick Fury $10 dollars after the hellicarrier takes off.

The post-credits scene where they're all finally eating schwarmma in tired, awkward silence.

[jaymes_e06]

Another, the collaps of the millitary base looked like the colapse of Sunnydale.

[Nokio]

Originally Posted by jaymes_e06

The ones that come to my mind first that

Dialogue-everything every character says lol

Hawkeye "staking" on of the Chitauri with one of his bolts

Fight choreography reminded me of Buffy a lot in general

Feminism:
Black Widow being such a badass

Previously worked with people:
Alexis Denisof as The Other, he's obviously an Angel Alum,
Ashley Johnson waitress who gives TA the at the end
Enver Gjookaj known from Dollhouse is a cop in the film
Chris Hemsworth obviously

Anything else I'm missing?

you're reading too much into this. Isn't BW a badass in the comics or is she more a damsel in distress??

[jaymes_e06]

Originally Posted by Nokio

you're reading too much into this. Isn't BW a badass in the comics or is she more a damsel in distress??

It didn't have to be so well executed as it was. My point was she was a poignant member of the team and not a throw away character like most female are in action movies. This is Joss' specialty.

[Drummerdude7]

Can't believe no one mentioned the scene where Loki tries to take control of Tony and fails.

*confused face* "Usually this works..."

Tony's reply and just the sudden humour between the bad guy and good guy had me howling and totally screamed "Whedon". Reminded me of Buffy.

[danoyse]

Another Whedon-esque line:

"I'm bringing the party to you."
"I don't really see how that's a party??"

[DrCosmic]

^Yes, BW was so Buffy 2.0

There was a line early in the movie that screamed Firefly to me. Fury saying something about "Has the world ended yet? Then we'll act as though it intends to spin on."

The world intending to do something, mixed with the archaic 'on' just sounded right out of Firefly, and no where else, to me.

And yeah, Marvel might have told him to kill Coulson, but Whedon did it in the most Whedonesque way possible.

[DACrowe]

Originally Posted by DrCosmic

^Yes, BW was so Buffy 2.0

There was a line early in the movie that screamed Firefly to me. Fury saying something about "Has the world ended yet? Then we'll act as though it intends to spin on."

The world intending to do something, mixed with the archaic 'on' just sounded right out of Firefly, and no where else, to me.

And yeah, Marvel might have told him to kill Coulson, but Whedon did it in the most Whedonesque way possible.

Oh another one of those was when Fury asked Thor, "Then, why do I feel like Loki's the only one who wants to be on this boat?"

That's very Firefly/Serenity for Fury to refer to the hellicarrier/moving aircraft as a boat.

I don't really see though how BW is "Buffy 2.0" though other than they're both women who kick ass. That's like saying River Tam is exactly like Buffy when their personalities and characters are worlds apart. BW is a strong woman character, but it's not like Whedon has a patent on that archetype. I would hope not.

[bonzob2000]

Yeah, many of Fury's lines sounded very Firefly-esque. Loki's, too. Joss really gave them a lot of the more poetic dialogue.

I believe the exact wording of that Fury line you mentioned is:

"Until such time as the world ends, we will act as though it intends to spin on."

Such a beautiful way to phrase expository dialogue. One of many reasons why I don't get the criticisms of the opening scene.

I also liked:
"He means to bury you."
"Like the Pharaohs of old."

ETA: Fury's speech to Loki that ends in "you have made me very desperate," is very Whedon as well. He loves to undercut grand, old fashioned, poetic speeches with a more casual modern expression or two... in this case "you kill cause it's fun." Can't think of another specific example from Whedon's other work, but he does it a lot.

Lastly, I think Fury refers to the helicarrier as a "boat" at some point... very Firefly as well.

[Pink Ranger]

I felt that a lot of Bruce Banner's dialogue was written in the style of Xander Harris, if that makes any sense.

If there was a "Buffy" character is was most likely Captain America; somebody who's still getting used to his role as a hero and leader, and whose powers are still fairly new to him in many ways.

Of course, Tony Stark was a thematic combination of seasons 1-3 Cordelia, Anya, Jayne Cobb and Lorne rolled into one!

Hawkeye kind of has traits of both Mal Reynolds and Charles Gunn. And Hulk is basically Serenity River.

[Quasimod0]

So basically every single funny line was whedony? lol

[The Question]

Originally Posted by Quasimod0

So basically every single funny line was whedony? lol

He has a distinctive sense of humor.

[mclay18]

This Hawkeye/BW exchange stood out:

"This is like Budapest all over again!"
"You and I remember Budapest very differently."

Totally an exchange between Mal and Zoe in Firefly.

Also, that post-fight scene in the infirmary, where BW tells Hawkeye about how she broke him out of his spell, sounds like something Buffy would say.

[bonzob2000]

Originally Posted by mclay18

This Hawkeye/BW exchange stood out:

"This is like Budapest all over again!"
"You and I remember Budapest very differently."

Totally an exchange between Mal and Zoe in Firefly.

Also, that post-fight scene in the infirmary, where BW tells Hawkeye about how she broke him out of his spell, sounds like something Buffy would say.

All of this is spot on. I wish I could remember the exact line BW says, because it's hilarious and super Whedon-y.