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I just realized that even with their younger versions, we never had a chance to see Ra's and Talia on screen at the same time with each other.
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Yes and it is one of my greatest deception. So much potential.
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Unfortunately, they were too busy connecting her to Bane rather than Ra's.
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Some quotes! Probably not 100% perfect, but it's what I've gathered from various parts of the web... I wanted to buy the novelization but the two Walmarts I checked on different days were either out of them or never had them. I should just order it.
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I loved Ra's cameo in TDKR. It was not just a nice touch to his immortality in comics but he still lives in Bruce's mind after all those years and Taila is his successor. He was a legend, an idea. Just like Batman become a legend and idea for Blake. In a way Batman became immortal as well.
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I have to agree with people who suggest Talia was underwritten.
But the main problem was that she felt so bland. There just wasn't really anything interesting about her personality until the last five minutes where she shows her true colors, and at least seems "energetic".
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This was being discussed in the GD thread... IF Talia was introduced in BB, I wonder who would've played her? Definitely not Marion. Would they have used Katie for the Talia role then?
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I remember thinking that Rachel Weisz would've made a good Talia.
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Oh hell NAW! LOL!!!
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A bunch of random stuff:
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I can't blame Marion for that. It's Nolan's fault for allowing that take to make the movie IMO. Marion will undeservingly get most of the ridicule though (like how Bale gets all the flak for the Batvoice).
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It would be nice for Nolan to replace Talia's death scene with another take or something else completely for the Blu-Ray...
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One of the things that bothers me most about her role in the movie is that for non fanboys, the movies ARE canon for certain characters. Its why the general audience still thinks Batman is mainly just a regular dude with some fighting skills and gadgets, despite the fact that he is a genius in the comics.
This movie was Talia's introduction for many viewers and they got it wrong in so many ways, IMO.
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The more I think about it, the more I realize that she's easily Nolan's worst written villain. She had zero redeeming qualities.
We don't know if Ra's was genuine in his fondness for Bruce or if that was all a form of manipulation on his part but we definitely felt something when he and Bruce were at odds in the end. Bane might've blown people to pieces but his past with Talia humanize him. Two-Face was obviously sympathetic. The Joker and Scarecrow were just fun in general. Talia was none of that. She wasn't even remotely interesting when she was Tate. |
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I really wish they hadn't made 2 of the 3 films essentially about the LOS. BB was great. But then to come back to that again for the 3rd was a bummer. Batman has one of the widest rogues gallarie of any superhero. So many interesting villians to chose from. For me, the combo of Bane and Talia was a bad choice. It did feel to me like Nolan just didnt care and took the script that they had and decided it was good enough to film and ran with it.
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![]() FWIW I still like to think that Ra's genuinely cared for Bruce and he looked at him as his own son. He doesn't seem to have a good relationship with Talia anyway. Heck Ra's might've favored Bruce over Talia to take over his throne which I'm sure royally pissed Talia off. I think I would just conveniently forget some of the stuff for TDKR so it doesn't completely ruin BB and TDK for me. ![]() |
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It's a bit surreal seeing kvz5 speak so negatively about Cottiard's character after over a year and a half of devoted praise about her on this forum.
I don't think any of us expected her to be as big of a letdown as she was. It's almost unbelievable.
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