What if Two-Face was the Main Villain in Dark Knight Rises?

[Shpati]

I heard many rumors about Harvey Dent was going to be scarred by the Joker at the end of The Dark Knight, and then Two-Face would be the main villain in the Dark Knight Rises.

Since we got to see very minimal screen time of Two-Face, how do you guys think it would have turned out if he was the main villain?

What kind of plot could they have done for an epic conclusion like The Dark Knight Rises?

I for one was upset that Harvey Dent turned out to be actually dead. I wish he was still alive, even if he was not going to be in The Dark Knight Rises.

I will always remain upset that Aaron Eckhart never got to reprise his role. His Harvey Dent is probably my favorite thing about Nolan's Dark Knight Trilogy. I wish I got to see more of Two-Face.

Just for fun, how do you think Two-Face's face would have looked.
- If he was burned like the Dark Knight, do you think the right side of his face would have healed up a little bit? Maybe the bones in his jaw and cheeks would not be visible any more.
- If they went through with this plan and Joker scarred (probably with his knifes and blades instead of burning him), how do you think his face would have looked?

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

How would Joker knife and blade him in a courtroom?

[Shpati]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wooden Alligator

How would Joker knife and blade him in a courtroom?

I do not know.

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

The scaring was to happen while he was on trial.

[Shpati]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wooden Alligator

The scaring was to happen while he was on trial.

You think they planned for the Joker to throw some sort of acid at him while at the court room?

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

Possibly something a small vial of something explosive. Not so much that it'd kill Dent, though. It'd create more ruckus for Joker to escape as well.

[Mob1423]

Two-Face as the MAIN villain?

Eh...

I feel Batman would've stopped him so quickly

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

I agree, Mob. However, I could see him playing one side of the mob against the other. A citywide mob war, which still feels blah compared to Bane's tyranny. My opinion, of course.

[Mob1423]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wooden Alligator

I agree, Mob. However, I could see him playing one side of the mob against the other. A citywide mob war, which still feels blah compared to Bane's tyranny. My opinion, of course.

That would've been very interesting. That also could've meant the involvement of Roman Sionis and/or Oswald Cobblepot

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

Originally Posted by Mob1423

That would've been very interesting. That also could've meant the involvement of Roman Sionis and/or Oswald Cobblepot

If you're interested in Sionis, try googling some articles from Batman-News about TDKR. An old one with false plot details had Sionis in a role like Dagget's, with Deadshot as the secondary villain. The Bat was even referenced. That all made me wonder a bit.

An advantage Dark Victory had was the emerging freaks. It gave Two-Face an interesting bunch of troops to use against Maroni and the traditional mob. We wouldn't have had that in this film.

Edit: When I saw TDK, Two-Face's role was a surprise; I thought he was going to be in part 3. So I left wondering how Nolan would finish up his series.

[Mob1423]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wooden Alligator

If you're interested in Sionis, try googling some articles from Batman-News about TDKR. An old one with false plot details had Sionis in a role like Dagget's, with Deadshot as the secondary villain. The Bat was even referenced. That all made me wonder a bit.

I remember reading about that a while ago. I think Nolan was weary on how many villains to use in the final movie because too many backstories can ruin the main story. I would've picked Two-Face, Black Mask as one side of the mob with Deadshot as his personal assassin, and Oswald Cobblepot as the other side of the mob

[Shpati]

I think the final Two-Face scene in the Dark Knight would have happened in the 3rd installment, to save room for the trial scene. And he might have actually did some damage to Gordon's family.

Originally Posted by Mr. Wooden Alligator

Possibly something a small vial of something explosive. Not so much that it'd kill Dent, though. It'd create more ruckus for Joker to escape as well.

Very Interesting. That makes perfect sense. That is something I could see happening.

Originally Posted by Mob1423

Two-Face as the MAIN villain?

Eh...

I feel Batman would've stopped him so quickly

If it was one on one, for sure. But I think Two-Face would have stayed hidden and get involved with the mafia.

Originally Posted by Mr. Wooden Alligator

I agree, Mob. However, I could see him playing one side of the mob against the other. A citywide mob war, which still feels blah compared to Bane's tyranny. My opinion, of course.

I agree with this. Especially since the mob has already played a big role in the first two.

[DACrowe]

It'd be an entirely different movie. Two-Face is not a villain I see leading a populist revolution (even if it is a fake one meant for ulterior motives) nor one who is interested in breaking Batman. It'd be something similar to what he did in TDK, except on a grander scale of him trying to wipe out all crime in Gotham with extreme violence.

I actually do not think it would work at all with what Nolan envisioned for a trilogy closer. And I'm someone who really enjoyed Eckhart's performance and thought they nailed the tragedy of the character. While I would like to have seen more of the character, I was satisfied with what we had. To compare, I am also a Lizard fan and even though he was the sole, singular villain of TASM, I was far less satisfied with that then Two-Face's few scenes in TDK. That is just my opinion.

[Shpati]

Originally Posted by DACrowe

It'd be an entirely different movie. Two-Face is not a villain I see leading a populist revolution (even if it is a fake one meant for ulterior motives) nor one who is interested in breaking Batman. It'd be something similar to what he did in TDK, except on a grander scale of him trying to wipe out all crime in Gotham with extreme violence.

I actually do not think it would work at all with what Nolan envisioned for a trilogy closer. And I'm someone who really enjoyed Eckhart's performance and thought they nailed the tragedy of the character. While I would like to have seen more of the character, I was satisfied with what we had. To compare, I am also a Lizard fan and even though he was the sole, singular villain of TASM, I was far less satisfied with that then Two-Face's few scenes in TDK. That is just my opinion.

I agree with you. I just hate to admit that the Dark Knight Rises was a better movie without Harvey Dent

I would have just liked him to be alive and not dead.

[ComicStalker]

Im to the point where I wish we would have gotten just about any other senario over what we got for the 3rd movie. Bane is a one trick pony and Talia was totally wasted and not interesting at all...
Penguin trying to take control over the remaining mob.
Riddler trying to riddle Batman,
Even Two-Face like you are describing.
I wanted more freaks. Bane imo is NOT a freak. He's a mercenary. We already had a LOS plot to destroy Gotham in BB. Why did we need to waste another movie with the LOS?
I know right now I'm probably in the minority. But I predict in the coming year or so there will be alot more people like me realizing that TDKR was not that good and is the weakest story in the trilogy. And certainly was not a very good end for Nolans trilogy...

[Shpati]

Originally Posted by ComicStalker

Im to the point where I wish we would have gotten just about any other senario over what we got for the 3rd movie. Bane is a one trick pony and Talia was totally wasted and not interesting at all...
Penguin trying to take control over the remaining mob.
Riddler trying to riddle Batman,
Even Two-Face like you are describing.
I wanted more freaks. Bane imo is NOT a freak. He's a mercenary. We already had a LOS plot to destroy Gotham in BB. Why did we need to waste another movie with the LOS?
I know right now I'm probably in the minority. But I predict in the coming year or so there will be alot more people like me realizing that TDKR was not that good and is the weakest story in the trilogy. And certainly was not a very good end for Nolans trilogy...

I do agree that it is the weakest of the Trilogy, but that does not mean it is bad. I was also disappointed that 2/3 films dealt with the League of Shadows. I wanted to see more freaks, but I have to understand that Bane was the best villain for a conclusion.

But I am kind of glad that the third movie did not deal with mob.

I really cannot see the Riddler being a concluding villain.

[Uroboric Forms]

Originally Posted by ComicStalker

Im to the point where I wish we would have gotten just about any other senario over what we got for the 3rd movie. Bane is a one trick pony and Talia was totally wasted and not interesting at all...
Penguin trying to take control over the remaining mob.
Riddler trying to riddle Batman,
Even Two-Face like you are describing.
I wanted more freaks. Bane imo is NOT a freak. He's a mercenary. We already had a LOS plot to destroy Gotham in BB. Why did we need to waste another movie with the LOS?
I know right now I'm probably in the minority. But I predict in the coming year or so there will be alot more people like me realizing that TDKR was not that good and is the weakest story in the trilogy. And certainly was not a very good end for Nolans trilogy...

The mob had been done enough in BB/TDK.
We got enough of the Riddler's clues and games in the Joker.
Two Face wouldn't be able to hold an entire movie, and the confusion over whether he was alive or dead was a little laughable really.

I thought the story and themes of TDKR were fantastic and the plot was a lot less convoluted than TDK. Tom did an incredible job as Bane, and brings the appropriate escalation from TDK. Having Two Face come back to life and trail over into TDKR would have been massively underwhelming.

[EliteF50]

If that means no Tom as Bane, then no thanks. But if it means Tom as Bane AND Aaron as Two-Face, then YES.

[Mob1423]

Well, The Riddler is a tough villain to match anyone up with because he does his own thing and the other villain would probably lose his patience and kill him. He would work well as a lone villain or possibly with Deadshot to lure him into a false location so Deadshot would be there, ready to kill his prey without having to stalk it.

Harley Quinn might've appeared as a side villain if Heath hadn't passed away. I don't blame him for losing all those possibilities though.

Two-Face possibly could've become The Judge from BTAS, which was a 3rd personality for Harvey Dent if you can believe it. That would've worked well in the death by exile scene instead of Scarecrow sentencing them.

I believe Killer Croc could've worked with all the known history of skin diseases, but I'm still happy there was a line that served as a nod to him.

I was kinda hoping Azrael or some murdering psychopath made his own Batsuit and took over as Batman while Bruce was gone. Of course, Bane would end up killing him easily.

Then of course you have silly or unrealistic villains like The Ventriloquist, Poison Ivy, Killer Moth, Solomon Grundy, Mr. Freeze, etc. that just wouldn't work

So many opprtunities

[Anno_Domini]

As much as it would be interesting, I like Nolan's take of Two-Face that was never really a "true" villain; just someone that got caught up in the grey area. Being a villain for the TDK sequel would have obviously mean Nolan's Dent would have become a "true" villain.

[Ravage]

Originally Posted by Anno_Domini

As much as it would be interesting, I like Nolan's take of Two-Face that was never really a "true" villain; just someone that got caught up in the grey area. Being a villain for the TDK sequel would have obviously mean Nolan's Dent would have become a "true" villain.

That. Plus as a pretty much hardcore Batman fan, my only villains of choices were Joker and Bane. Joker is pretty much a must be for Batman and Bane just symbolized the end for Batman. He always did so far (till they turned him into a babysitter those last years) Rest like Two-Face, Riddler, Catwoman, Scarecrow, Ra's and Penguin were pretty much average small time villains to me and requires a lot of changes.

When you say Joker, I expect crime, fun and madness.
When you say Bane, I expect broken backs, pain and death.
When you say Riddler, I expect twists, explosions and riddles.
When you say Two-Face/Penguin, I expect crime, drama, money and broken friendships/equality from different angles.
When you say Scarecrow I expect fear, mental torture however an easy to beat opponent when you pass through all that .
When you say Ra's, I expect elite level organized crime.

I think Nolan made perfect choices. He showed how dangerous organized crime can be at its best, then throw a madmen to forge crime to another level with a different angle, forced Batman to sacrifice a friend to darkness they created and finally he gave the audience the hype of Batman's hitting the brick wall.

I dont think anyone other than Bane could handle such hype after Joker. Lets admit it, the most epic moment most of us have been waiting for was Batman getting destroyed by Bane.

[Bruce_Begins]

Originally Posted by Ravage

I dont think anyone other than Bane could handle such hype after Joker. Lets admit it, the most epic moment most of us have been waiting for was Batman getting destroyed by Bane.

Agreed.

[TruerToTheCore]

Originally Posted by Anno_Domini

As much as it would be interesting, I like Nolan's take of Two-Face that was never really a "true" villain; just someone that got caught up in the grey area. Being a villain for the TDK sequel would have obviously mean Nolan's Dent would have become a "true" villain.

Not a true villain???

He was about to shoot innocent kids and Gordon out of some sort of stupid logic that was just insane. He was just as nuts as the Joker, Harvey Dent was a true psychopath. Probably even before all the bad things happened to him.

No hero at all and definitely not "the best of them".

[Devil-In]

Originally Posted by TruerToTheCore

Not a true villain???

He was about to shoot innocent kids and Gordon out of some sort of stupid logic that was just insane. He was just as nuts as the Joker, Harvey Dent was a true psychopath. Probably even before all the bad things happened to him.

No hero at all and definitely not "the best of them".

Not to mention the great Batman bad guys fall into that gray area of "not completely evil"

[DACrowe]

Originally Posted by TruerToTheCore

Not a true villain???

He was about to shoot innocent kids and Gordon out of some sort of stupid logic that was just insane. He was just as nuts as the Joker, Harvey Dent was a true psychopath. Probably even before all the bad things happened to him.

No hero at all and definitely not "the best of them".

While Dent had a dark side and clearly wasn't as strong as Bruce, he did genuinely want to clean up the city. He was inspired by the Batman and believed in him when most found it inconvenient to not. He did manage to clean up most money laundering in the city and even put his life on the line by taking the fall for Batman, believing the Bat and the cops would save him.

I would not just write him off as a pure villain like the Joker. In that movie, he is more like a tragic hero who loses everything.