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Old 08-16-2012, 10:01 PM   #1
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I always imagined Stark as a serious type. I remember the 90's cartoon...and from there I adapted the personality when I read the comics. Now that Downey took over at Stark in the films, it changed. Now he's a huge ham. He hams it up! I like it....yet, did he reinvent Stark? or was Stark always intended to be the way Downey portrays him? OR is this the Ultimate version of Stark? Being a student in engineering myself, I find myself to be a more serious type like the Stark of cartoon syndication of the 90's.....yet, Downey.....he's def not a very serious type in his rendition of Stark. Someone explain.

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Old 08-16-2012, 11:14 PM   #2
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RDJ is definitely playing himself. But he's a huge lifelong fan of the character, and his take on Tony Stark is still respectful of the source material. He just happened to inject Tony with a fun personality, and it's worked great.

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Old 08-16-2012, 11:37 PM   #3
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Tony in the books is boring.

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Old 08-20-2012, 02:26 AM   #4
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Tony in the books is boring.
It's a wonder the series lasted so long then.

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Old 08-16-2012, 11:45 PM   #5
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This is a good point... I'd assumed a lot of the seriousness I'd been picking up from Tony in the comics (which I've only started to read since Avengers) was due to my happening to focus largely on the Civil War and post-CW-fallout story lines. A lot of the events in there, obviously, weigh very heavily on him.

Another aspect of his personality that I've noticed in several of the comics, and which has been largely downplayed in the films, is the whole "futurist" concept -- the idea that as a genius, Tony is constantly anticipating possible future scenarios and preparing backup plans for them. Hopefully we get to see a bit of that in IM3.

But ultimately, yeah, he is a genius-billionaire-playboy-philanthropist.

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Old 08-16-2012, 11:55 PM   #6
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I'm always hesitant to bring this up for fear of having been reading Iron Man comics the wrong way or offending RDJ fans.

But lets break it down,
He's highly intelligent so witty makes sense.
He's rich and famous so confident makes sense.
He's confident and attractive so lady's man makes sense.

I guess we should try re-reading the comics in RDJ's voice.

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Old 08-17-2012, 10:32 AM   #7
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Tony has always been a lady's man in the comics. RDJ just gives that some greater credibility.

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Old 08-22-2012, 05:29 AM   #8
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RDJ's Tony is a countering personality for 2 guys in the MU often associated with him:

a) Steve Rogers - a very serious, reserved man.
Additionally: Thor is a very serious demigod.

b) Reed Richards - a very serious, reserved man.
Additionally: Serious-introvert Bruce Banner, T'Challa and perhaps Henry Pym (but I doubt it)

So yeah old book Tony Stark was boring and brought no countering personalities against some of the MU established characters.

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Old 08-23-2012, 02:14 PM   #9
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Another aspect of his personality that I've noticed in several of the comics, and which has been largely downplayed in the films, is the whole "futurist" concept -- the idea that as a genius, Tony is constantly anticipating possible future scenarios and preparing backup plans for them. Hopefully we get to see a bit of that in IM3.

But ultimately, yeah, he is a genius-billionaire-playboy-philanthropist.
Stark Expo in IM2 and Stark Tower in TA as two examples.

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Old 08-23-2012, 05:19 PM   #10
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Stark Expo in IM2 and Stark Tower in TA as two examples.
Bingo

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Old 08-24-2012, 12:06 AM   #11
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Keep in mind that we had been seeing super serious all the time characters up until Iron Man. Blade, Peter Parker, Wolverine, Batman, Superman, and others weren't really all that playful. They have certainly made him a little less uptight as he was in the comics. Honestly Tony in the comics seems very depressed and suicidal. He jumps into bed with the next lady to feel something. He can barely hold himself together.

But RDJ's portrayal is a refreshing look at the superhero. He actually made it fun to be a superhero. The portrayal connects more because it's very hard to see the downside of being Tony Stark/ Iron Man.

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Keep in mind that we had been seeing super serious all the time characters up until Iron Man. Blade, Peter Parker, Wolverine, Batman, Superman, and others weren't really all that playful. They have certainly made him a little less uptight as he was in the comics. Honestly Tony in the comics seems very depressed and suicidal. He jumps into bed with the next lady to feel something. He can barely hold himself together.

But RDJ's portrayal is a refreshing look at the superhero. He actually made it fun to be a superhero. The portrayal connects more because it's very hard to see the downside of being Tony Stark/ Iron Man.
I wouldn't totally agree; the movies make it quite clear that there are downsides to being Tony Stark. The difference is, Tony doesn't angst about them. They aren't tragedies, they are tradeoffs, or perhaps challenges to overcome.

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Old 08-24-2012, 10:46 AM   #13
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It always just seemed to me like IRON MAN's Tony Stark was more along the lines of the Ultimates version, not the 616 version.

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Old 08-24-2012, 09:58 PM   #14
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I thought Tony Stark was self center and kinda an ahole..genious...in the films and comic...cartoon ironman for kids would have to be toned down..I like mcu stark though it got me into comics

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Old 08-25-2012, 07:20 AM   #15
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Movie Tony Stark >>>>>>> Comic Tony Stark

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Movie Tony Stark is wittier than any Movie Peter Parker.

In the IM comics, Rhodey is the less serious and more laid back one. When he became Iron Man from #170 onwards, one of the things that fans liked about him was that Iron Man was now a more laid back character who joked around and made wisecracks.

In the movies, Stark has more of the laid back personality and makes wisecracks. Rhodey is very serious and uptight.

For a very faithful comic book Stark, Timothy Dalton would've been very suitable for that more serious take when he was in his prime back in the 80s during the time of Flash Gordon or James Bond:






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Old 08-28-2012, 08:54 PM   #17
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I like the RDJ version more, I'm glad that's becoming the norm for Iron Man. The old school one is sort of bland & I don't like his face. He looks...scumbaggy.

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Old 08-29-2012, 06:29 AM   #18
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I think he will start being more serious. I think the avengers has a phenomenal affect on him. Kinda like a wake up call. He went to space. As of right now he is the only good guy to get a glimpse of that world. He knows the threats will get bigger. I wouldn't be surprised if he acts a bit like he did in civil war(but not as much) more like trying to mold a better world and behave like a spokesman for super heroes.

He represents something bigger than himself now.

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Old 09-07-2012, 09:04 PM   #19
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I think he will start being more serious. I think the avengers has a phenomenal affect on him. Kinda like a wake up call. He went to space...
After directing a nuclear missile through a wormhole in a potential sacrifice play to stop world invasion by an alien force being commanded by a mad Asgardian magician........... He wanted to go get a schwarma.

I don't think he will start behaving more seriously

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After directing a nuclear missile through a wormhole in a potential sacrifice play to stop world invasion by an alien force being commanded by a mad Asgardian magician........... He wanted to go get a schwarma.

I don't think he will start behaving more seriously
lol yes...but they all went.even cap and he is super serious lol

Getting food after doing stuff that uses energy is pretty normal. Besides stark wouldn't want people to know how much it affected him. I think during iron man 3 after he loses Pepper and his house explodes he will be very serious

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I enjoy RDJ as Tony Stark. I do not want Marvel to start grittying up their characters for the sake of doing so: leave them as they are. I do not want Tony Stark via Frank Miller.

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lol yes...but they all went.even cap and he is super serious lol

Getting food after doing stuff that uses energy is pretty normal. Besides stark wouldn't want people to know how much it affected him. I think during iron man 3 after he loses Pepper and his house explodes he will be very serious
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I enjoy RDJ as Tony Stark. I do not want Marvel to start grittying up their characters for the sake of doing so: leave them as they are. I do not want Tony Stark via Frank Miller.



Wait...what?
don't worry.no spoilers. Just stuff I think will happen or will be cool to see.

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I think Stark, when the story calls for him to be serious, has been appropriately serious in this franchise. He seems to use humor as a defense mechanism, or to endear himself to people, which seems fairly natural given someone of his ego.

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If Tony Stark was played serious and darker, he would be Batman copy cat with a different suit and lack of no guns policy. Especially in 2008, when Batman gained his popularity back it might seen as lack of orginality...Both of them non-powered. Both of them Genius-billionaire-playboy-philanthropist when they are not heroes. Both of them has cool gadgets.

Tony Stark is better this way. He is not over the top funny character. He has his serious moments as well.

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If Tony Stark was played serious and darker, he would be Batman copy cat with a different suit and lack of no guns policy. Especially in 2008, when Batman gained his popularity back it might seen as lack of orginality...Both of them non-powered. Both of them Genius-billionaire-playboy-philanthropist when they are not heroes. Both of them has cool gadgets.

Tony Stark is better this way. He is not over the top funny character. He has his serious moments as well.
Ah yes I remember when people used to say they were too similar. Especially back in the days of the non robotic Jarvis. I'm so glad the movies modernised that.

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