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Yeah, but SHIELD and Arrow will probably be going after demographics. Though both comic book shows, I think SHIELD will be a more LOST, NCIS, CIS, type show where Arrow is obviously more CW teeny girl tiger beat type show.

Yeah basically SHIELD will likely be what Arrow deserved to be and should have been... but unfortunately can't be.

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What makes you think Shield is gonna be any different, good or last? You are making a great deal of assumptions for a show that hasn't even hit the air.

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What makes you think Shield is gonna be any different, good or last? You are making a great deal of assumptions for a show that hasn't even hit the air.
Please. Like Joss Whedon's ever had a bad show. It may not last (Might be different on ABC than on Fox, though) but with Whedon's track record of quÓlity I'm pretty sure this show will be good even if it lasts two episodes.

Plus it's not a show created to replace Smallville so we probably won't be seeing it ripoff that drama style and even if it did Whedon's proven to be awesome with that stuff.

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Please. Like Joss Whedon's ever had a bad show. It may not last (Might be different on ABC than on Fox, though) but with Whedon's track record of quÓlity I'm pretty sure this show will be good even if it lasts two episodes.

Plus it's not a show created to replace Smallville so we probably won't be seeing it ripoff that drama style and even if it did Whedon's proven to be awesome with that stuff.
Speaking of style of shows and what Wheadon can deliver on. Anyone ever notice the WB shows have this dark cinematography, usually look pretty toned down from a color standpoint and pretty much always looks like a cheap set.

I just bring this up because other networks seem to have a look of their own, and in some cases I think would look better for Arrow. Think about CBS, all the shows have these really bright colors, great scenery and generally don't look cheap. Look at Hawaii 5.0 or any of the CSIs, or even a darker looking show of theirs like Elementary that still manages to look vibrant.

I'm just saying, as good a show as Arrow is, I wish it broke from the look of all the other CW shows.

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Speaking of style of shows and what Wheadon can deliver on. Anyone ever notice the WB shows have this dark cinematography, usually look pretty toned down from a color standpoint and pretty much always looks like a cheap set.

I just bring this up because other networks seem to have a look of their own, and in some cases I think would look better for Arrow. Think about CBS, all the shows have these really bright colors, great scenery and generally don't look cheap. Look at Hawaii 5.0 or any of the CSIs, or even a darker looking show of theirs like Elementary that still manages to look vibrant.

I'm just saying, as good a show as Arrow is, I wish it broke from the look of all the other CW shows.
I agree. For a show that is not in the same universe as Smallville it sure feels like it is.

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I agree. For a show that is not in the same universe as Smallville it sure feels like it is.
True. And not helped by the fact that he's squatting at Luthor Mansion. The fact that it sometimes feels like a continuation of Smallville in tone is what prevents me from truly liking this show. The one bright spot is Willa Holland.

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Please. Like Joss Whedon's ever had a bad show. It may not last (Might be different on ABC than on Fox, though) but with Whedon's track record of quÓlity I'm pretty sure this show will be good even if it lasts two episodes.

Plus it's not a show created to replace Smallville so we probably won't be seeing it ripoff that drama style and even if it did Whedon's proven to be awesome with that stuff.
I haven't like much of what Whedon has done for TV Buffy and Angel are far worse on melodrama than Smallville and Arrow combined. When i was a teenager watching it, it was okay but as an adult its unbearable to watch. So save me the Whedon walks on water routine because thats bs. While I'm on Whedon, Avengers if I didn't know who directed it I could of swore it was Michael Bay except Bay would of shot it better.

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I haven't like much of what Whedon has done for TV Buffy and Angel are far worse on melodrama than Smallville and Arrow combined. When i was a teenager watching it, it was okay but as an adult its unbearable to watch. So save me the Whedon walks on water routine because thats bs. While I'm on Whedon, Avengers if I didn't know who directed it I could of swore it was Michael Bay except Bay would of shot it better.
Then you missed my point that Buffy and Angel is melodrama done well. Smallville and Arrow so far isn't. Can the attitude and read the post bearing that in mind. My point is not that Arrow has melodrama but that it's not particularly engaging. If you don't like Whedon, great, you're not the first. Just pointing out that SHIELD will probably suck for a minority and be awesome for a majority like the rest of his work.

Melodrama isn't a negative. Whedon's just the standard for me for good melodrama in an action show.

EDIT: Mixing up my replies to people. Yeah my original reply to you is pretty much "SHIELD is guaranteed to be awesome because of Whedon" in a nutshell.

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If only a minority didn't care for his shows and a majority thought they were awesome, wouldn't they have not gotten cancelled?

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Pretty much.

Especially since SHIELD's characters are sterotypes so far.

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The badly executed melodrama is more prominent on this than in The Dark Knight Trilogy simply because there is more time for it. It's no more unbearable and annoying than the crap with Bruce and Rachel in BB and TDK though.

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It's not unbearable or crap, in either. I mean, it's not what I'm there for and I could do without it. But whatever, who gives a ****. I enjoy the finished product.

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I'm waiting for Huntress, but....I didn't see any purple....boo hoo! Still, I like where things are going so far. My only complaint is I feel they addressed to many issues early on. I didn't really see a need for him to be arrested so early. They could have saved that for season two.

I recently read WB is very happy with the ratings for "Arrow".

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There's some at her underarms / sides. Not much, but it is there.

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How is addressing issues instead of dragging them out a complaint? That's one of the good things about shows like Arrow and Nikita.

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How is addressing issues instead of dragging them out a complaint? That's one of the good things about shows like Arrow and Nikita.

It's not a problem of addresssing them, but I guess I felt him getting arrested could have waited until a later time. It seemed like a throw away to answer the question that wasn't at that point being raised.... I mean, yeah, at some point, people might have wondered, but his arrest just seemed to soon. It could have waited until someone actually raised the question. That way his arrest would have had more impact, but him just planning to be arrested seemed like a throw-away because now they never have to answer that question.

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It's not a problem of addresssing them, but I guess I felt him getting arrested could have waited until a later time. It seemed like a throw away to answer the question that wasn't at that point being raised.... I mean, yeah, at some point, people might have wondered, but his arrest just seemed to soon. It could have waited until someone actually raised the question. That way his arrest would have had more impact, but him just planning to be arrested seemed like a throw-away because now they never have to answer that question.
One of my chief complaints about The Dark Knight Rises is that Blake figures out Bruce's identity based on Bruce's fake smile. Crappy writing aside, the entire dialog belies the fact that Batman appeared shortly after Bruce's return. Few Gothamites could fund Batman's tech, which also draws attention to Wayne. Then you have the fact that when Bruce quits being Batman, he also became a recluse as Bruce Wayne. There were so manu red flags to Bruce's possible connection. Arrow took the very intelligent route when handling the matter, not only by having Ollie carry out such a plan but also by not ignoring the reality of such coincidences.


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This show beat Smallville when it put Oliver into the costume in the first episode. And this show hasn't been nearly as frustrating as Smallville was. But that's just my opinion.
Then you missed the point of Smallville. Tough later seasons introduced so many comic villains and groups that they might as well have just made Clark into Superman, the show was meant to be about Clark's time growingup in Smallville and discovering his powers. He was not meant to wear a costume or be Superman. Since Arrow isn't about Ollie's pre-Green Arrow days, it makes no sense to not have him take on the corresponding mantle.

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Then you missed the point of Smallville. Tough later seasons introduced so many comic villains and groups that they might as well have just made Clark into Superman, the show was meant to be about Clark's time growingup in Smallville and discovering his powers. He was not meant to wear a costume or be Superman. Since Arrow isn't about Ollie's pre-Green Arrow days, it makes no sense to not have him take on the corresponding mantle.
I didn't miss the point, I just disagreed with it after they had him move to Metropolis.

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I didn't miss the point, I just disagreed with it after they had him move to Metropolis.
On that note, we can agree. Many fans believe that a pseudo spin-off should have occured when Clark moved. The show should have been called "Metropolis." Keep the same cast and crew but change the focus to Clark's exploits as a novice Superman. In fact, here is a fan intro made some years ago

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One of my chief complaints about The Dark Knight Rises is that Blake figures out Bruce's identity based on Bruce's fake smile. Crappy writing aside, the entire dialog belies the fact that Batman appeared shortly after Bruce's return. Few Gothamites could fund Batman's tech, which also draws attention to Wayne. Then you have the fact that when Bruce quits being Batman, he also became a recluse as Bruce Wayne. There were so manu red flags to Bruce's possible connection. Arrow took the very intelligent route when handling the matter, not only by having Ollie carry out such a plan but also by not ignoring the reality of such coincidences.




Then you missed the point of Smallville. Tough later seasons introduced so many comic villains and groups that they might as well have just made Clark into Superman, the show was meant to be about Clark's time growingup in Smallville and discovering his powers. He was not meant to wear a costume or be Superman. Since Arrow isn't about Ollie's pre-Green Arrow days, it makes no sense to not have him take on the corresponding mantle.
I think the producers of Smallville missed the point of the show too then. They had him already virtually Superman in all but costume and name by the end, and he took so damn long to learn how to fly. He had met virtually everyone he should've met as Superman and hit most of the major milestones, and yet he still wasn't Superman.

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One of my chief complaints about The Dark Knight Rises is that Blake figures out Bruce's identity based on Bruce's fake smile. Crappy writing aside, the entire dialog belies the fact that Batman appeared shortly after Bruce's return. Few Gothamites could fund Batman's tech, which also draws attention to Wayne. Then you have the fact that when Bruce quits being Batman, he also became a recluse as Bruce Wayne. There were so manu red flags to Bruce's possible connection. Arrow took the very intelligent route when handling the matter, not only by having Ollie carry out such a plan but also by not ignoring the reality of such coincidences.
I don't agree. I think for the purpose of good TV the reveal could have waited because if the question had been asked then he had been arrested it would have made for exciting TV. Instead, what should have been a great episode seemed to be reduced to a throw away...IMO.

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But that's the point.

Eliminate the possibility before someone begins to suspect.

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True. Now it will be a long while before someone suspects again, other than Det. Lance who will always secretly suspect.

I'm glad they brought this up and tackled this issue of why a vigilante just so happens to pop up when a billionaire playboy that has been lost for 5 years returns from surviving on an island. I had hoped Nolan would have tackled the issue in his Batman films, but I guess they didn't really have anyone at the time that could stand in as Bats to help throw off police for Bruce.

Now we won't have to worry about this really coming back up until 2nd or 3rd season or when someone close to him finds out and dies (possibly his mother)

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