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Old 01-02-2013, 05:53 PM   #1
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I want to enjoy him in animation again. Every show so far has missed the mark in one way or another, with Spectacular being the best overall (its only real shortcoming in my eyes was artwork.)
So here's my wishlist:
1.-MAKE HIM AN ADULT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! His name is Spider-Man, not Spider-Boy. We've seen enough of him in high school. We watched him grow up, get his degree, get married, take a teaching position and embrace fatherhood. This insistance on turning him back into a child is getting really old.
2. - Peter & Mary Jane together! Let's skip past his unlucky in love days and put things right.
3. - REASONABLY closer to the comics. Some creative freedom is fine but let's have a recognizable storyline. No more taking a little from Ultimate, a little from the movies, etc.
4. Spidey works alone! Guest heroes are fine but let's have them fewer and further between. And no more Spider-Friends!
5. Better art. Truth be told, the art quality was the only thing I liked about Ultimate.
6. More mature-themed than the 90's but not as far out there as the MTV series. I want him to throw punches but not curse every time something goes wrong.

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I wouldn't mind seeing an animated series that takes place when Peter became a teacher and was in his early 20s.

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Don't we all.

As far as your idea for him to be an adult, it just wouldn't work well in animation and to be honest with you it doesn't work that well in the comics either which is why you see Marvel constantly trying to redefine the character somehow. One of the great things about Spidey from the 60-70s was watching character deal with life as a young man with powers and taking responsibility. Responsibility as an adult and responsibility as a young man are two totally different things. By having him as a man in his mid-late 20s you limit a lot of the problems the character has to deal with because he's not necessarily obligated to anything. In high school you HAVE to go to school and deal with relationships and your parents. Same can be said of college I suppose. As an adult you don't have to deal with those things. I see no reason why Spider-Man wouldn't just commit full time to crime fighting as an adult. Also you would think Peter would have figured out a lot of things by the time he's that old. As a high school or college student there are still many things for him to learn and experience. Peter Parker the man just isn't interesting as Peter Parker the high school student. Not to mention a lot of younger viewers won't be as interested in watching a fully grown Spidey.

Best thing we could hope for in a new Spidey cartoon is...basically what Spectacular gave us. I'm hoping Marvel swallows its pride or whatever and hires the Greg Weisman and his crew again to make the next Spidey cartoon. I doubt they're under contractual obligation to Sony and there's no way Sony holds the intellectual property rights to a creative team. I really hope that Josh Keaton will be able to voice Spidey again as well. I'm not sure if Sony holds some kind of right to the likeness of his voice but I hope not. By the time a new Spidey cartoon is ordered Young Justice should be over so hopefully those guys will be free.

Seriously, that team was the epitome of what we'll get from a Spidey cartoon. I don't think Marvel could find anyone to do it better even if they wanted to. Best case scenario for us all is if Marvel acknowledges Spectacular and hires them next time. That would make me the happiest camper.

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The thing about Spidey being a teen is that he was one of the first if not the first and definitely most iconic teenager superhero. Before Spider-Man, the notion of a teenage superhero was nearly unheard of. Teenagers were only sidekicks.The whole point was to introduce a hero that wasn't rich, wasn't invincible, wasn't an adult/popular/charismatic. He was a teenager dealing with every day life issues and had alot of growing to do, to ultimately become the iconic hero we know as Spider-Man.

I mean I often come across people complaining about Spectacular making Peter a teen. When they were actually sticking close to the comics as that's how he started out as he got his powers at 15. It makes me think these people were spoiled by the 90s show already having him in college. The plan was for them to move chronologically, and we get to see Peter and his friends grow up and his progression from total loser to semi-popular awkward guy that he is in the 90s Spider-man.

Same thing with the Amazing Spider-man. Complaints about Peter being a teen along with silly Twilight comparsions. They're gearing Garfield's Spider-man towards a trilogy. In Batman Begins, Bruce Wayne wasn't the heroic, selfless protaganist that we saw in Dark Knight Rises. It's called character development. Garfield's Spider-man will eventually get there.

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The thing about Spidey being a teen is that he was one of the first if not the first and definitely most iconic teenager superhero. Before Spider-Man, the notion of a teenage superhero was nearly unheard of. Teenagers were only sidekicks.The whole point was to introduce a hero that wasn't rich, wasn't invincible, wasn't an adult/popular/charismatic. He was a teenager dealing with every day life issues and had alot of growing to do, to ultimately become the iconic hero we know as Spider-Man.

I mean I often come across people complaining about Spectacular making Peter a teen. When they were actually sticking close to the comics as that's how he started out as he got his powers at 15. It makes me think these people were spoiled by the 90s show already having him in college. The plan was for them to move chronologically, and we get to see Peter and his friends grow up and his progression from total loser to semi-popular awkward guy that he is in the 90s Spider-man.

Same thing with the Amazing Spider-man. Complaints about Peter being a teen along with silly Twilight comparsions. They're gearing Garfield's Spider-man towards a trilogy. In Batman Begins, Bruce Wayne wasn't the heroic, selfless protaganist that we saw in Dark Knight Rises. It's called character development. Garfield's Spider-man will eventually get there.
Spidey was a great teen hero; 40 years ago. A huge part of his appeal lies in his real-world relatability; Peter Parker feels like one of us when he comes out of that mask. One part of living in the real world is you don't stay a teenager forever. The teen angst is replaced by growing pains and that's a part of life. A part of life that we saw him experience and the powers that be insist on taking it away from him.

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You should re-watch Batman Begins, lol.

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You should re-watch Batman Begins, lol.
1-THIS ISN'T A BATMAN THREAD!!!!!!!!!
2-I think he was more heroic in Begins; in TDK he made a lot of mistakes and committed unnecessary crimes.

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Don't we all.

As far as your idea for him to be an adult, it just wouldn't work well in animation and to be honest with you it doesn't work that well in the comics either which is why you see Marvel constantly trying to redefine the character somehow. One of the great things about Spidey from the 60-70s was watching character deal with life as a young man with powers and taking responsibility. Responsibility as an adult and responsibility as a young man are two totally different things. By having him as a man in his mid-late 20s you limit a lot of the problems the character has to deal with because he's not necessarily obligated to anything. In high school you HAVE to go to school and deal with relationships and your parents. Same can be said of college I suppose. As an adult you don't have to deal with those things. I see no reason why Spider-Man wouldn't just commit full time to crime fighting as an adult. Also you would think Peter would have figured out a lot of things by the time he's that old. As a high school or college student there are still many things for him to learn and experience. Peter Parker the man just isn't interesting as Peter Parker the high school student. Not to mention a lot of younger viewers won't be as interested in watching a fully grown Spidey.

Best thing we could hope for in a new Spidey cartoon is...basically what Spectacular gave us. I'm hoping Marvel swallows its pride or whatever and hires the Greg Weisman and his crew again to make the next Spidey cartoon. I doubt they're under contractual obligation to Sony and there's no way Sony holds the intellectual property rights to a creative team. I really hope that Josh Keaton will be able to voice Spidey again as well. I'm not sure if Sony holds some kind of right to the likeness of his voice but I hope not. By the time a new Spidey cartoon is ordered Young Justice should be over so hopefully those guys will be free.

Seriously, that team was the epitome of what we'll get from a Spidey cartoon. I don't think Marvel could find anyone to do it better even if they wanted to. Best case scenario for us all is if Marvel acknowledges Spectacular and hires them next time. That would make me the happiest camper.
Why do you say making him an adult doesn't work? It worked for DECADES. Countless comics, 3 movies AND 3 animated series. This bizarre inexplicable need to make him a child is a RECENT phenomenon.

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Why do you say making him an adult doesn't work? It worked for DECADES. Countless comics, 3 movies AND 3 animated series. This bizarre inexplicable need to make him a child is a RECENT phenomenon.
It's about as recent as Amazing Fantasy #15.

Though, yeah, I wouldn't mind him in college or as an adult.

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It's about as recent as Amazing Fantasy #15.

Though, yeah, I wouldn't mind him in college or as an adult.
He grew up. My point is that they felt some need to undo it.

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He grew up. My point is that they felt some need to undo it.
He grew up in the 616 universe in the comics. Every Spider-Man adaptation that featured a high school Spider-Man so far are not canon to the 616 universe. They were each set in their own separate universes so they technically didn't undo anything because there was no adult Spider-Man in the TSSM universe or the Marc Webb universe or even in the Ultimate Spider-Man universe prior to the start of each respective series.

In the case of TSSM, it was all about Spider-Man at the beginning of his career so obviously that they would set him in high school because that is where he was supposed to be at the time the show took place. He wasn't going to stay there forever though. He was going to grow more and more with each season and eventually reach his adult years.

You can't really ignore Spider-Man's early years. They are just as important to the character as his adult years. In fact, the only reason why the stories in his adult years are so great is because they all have a great backstory to build off of, which is the backstory of all his years as Spider-Man in high school.

The comics did grow him up and shows like The Spectacular Spider-Man and movies like The Amazing Spider-Man are both trying to bring the comics to life by making him grow up in the same way. They are not ignoring his adult years. Rather, they are looking to adapt Spider-Man's entire career as a superhero and that includes both the high school and adult years (or in the case of Spectacular Spider-Man, it was trying to do that but it got cancelled). I don't know Ultimate Spider-Man's reason for keeping him in high school though other than appealing to the little kids so you do have a point when it comes to that show.

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Why do you say making him an adult doesn't work? It worked for DECADES. Countless comics, 3 movies AND 3 animated series. This bizarre inexplicable need to make him a child is a RECENT phenomenon.
Uh I'm not denying it worked for comics or the movies I just don't think it's necessarily a great fit for cartoons these days.

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Why do you say making him an adult doesn't work? It worked for DECADES. Countless comics, 3 movies AND 3 animated series. This bizarre inexplicable need to make him a child is a RECENT phenomenon.

It's far more interesting to watch someone grow and develop than remain stagnant and unchanging. This is why USM (the book) became so boring to me. It ran for what, Ten Years? Parker remained 16 the entire time.

Bendis said that his theory was that Parker was like Bart Simpson, he should stay at one unchanging age.

I couldn't disagree with this more. One of the best parts of reading the Lee/Ditko ASM was seeing Parker growing and changing and reaching new milestones.

Parker as a teenager is ONE part of the character. Let's learn to move the character forward.

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It's far more interesting to watch someone grow and develop than remain stagnant and unchanging. This is why USM (the book) became so boring to me. It ran for what, Ten Years? Parker remained 16 the entire time.

Bendis said that his theory was that Parker was like Bart Simpson, he should stay at one unchanging age.

I couldn't disagree with this more. One of the best parts of reading the Lee/Ditko ASM was seeing Parker growing and changing and reaching new milestones.

Parker as a teenager is ONE part of the character. Let's learn to move the character forward.
THis is my argument. You know what comes to mind? The Ninja Turtles. THis is a franchise that truthfully never goes anywhere. It keeps getting reinvented over and over because there's nowhere for the characters to go. THe first word in the title ("Teenage") limits them. They're always gonna be kids doing the same thing over and over. You can only eat so much pizza before the fans get bored. Most creators realized this a long time ago. Robin was allowed to grow up. The X-Men were allowed to grow up. Spider-Man was allowed to grow up.
I reiterate, one of the main aspects of Spider-Man's appeal is his RELATABILITY. His readers didn't stay one age forever; neither should he.




Oh-and as for the "Bart Simpson" argument-I've gotten kinda bored with him too.

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THis is my argument. You know what comes to mind? The Ninja Turtles. THis is a franchise that truthfully never goes anywhere. It keeps getting reinvented over and over because there's nowhere for the characters to go. THe first word in the title ("Teenage") limits them. They're always gonna be kids doing the same thing over and over. You can only eat so much pizza before the fans get bored. Most creators realized this a long time ago. Robin was allowed to grow up. The X-Men were allowed to grow up. Spider-Man was allowed to grow up.
I reiterate, one of the main aspects of Spider-Man's appeal is his RELATABILITY. His readers didn't stay one age forever; neither should he.




Oh-and as for the "Bart Simpson" argument-I've gotten kinda bored with him too.
I agree with everything but I would like to correct you on the Turtles. They are in their very early 30s in the current comics. So technically, they were allowed to grow up too and they have "teenage" in the name so I don't see why Peter can't be allowed to grow up especially considering that he has "man" in his title.

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It's far more interesting to watch someone grow and develop than remain stagnant and unchanging. This is why USM (the book) became so boring to me. It ran for what, Ten Years? Parker remained 16 the entire time.
Started 15, turned 16

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Not to mention there was an actual plan to have Peter grow up throughout the series, if it had a 65-episode run. The final episode would have had Peter's high school graduation, and the possible DTVs would have taken more mature stories in college.

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Marvel won't admit defeat. They've been running the character into the ground for the last 6 years in the comics and are naturally continuing the assault in animation. They call him the flagship but they treat him like the ba$tard stepchild. Spectacular was as good as we're going to get for awhile.

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Marvel won't admit defeat. They've been running the character into the ground for the last 6 years in the comics and are naturally continuing the assault in animation. They call him the flagship but they treat him like the ba$tard stepchild. Spectacular was as good as we're going to get for awhile.
Sadly, you're right.

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I really don't understand. Its like they want him to fail. This is one reason why I would fear them owning the film rights to Spider-Man.

As far as comic books go, I pretty much stopped reading shortly after issue #500 or so. Maybe some stories here and there before One More Day. Joe Quesada really ruined Spider-Man and other Marvel comics.

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Marvel should make a Marvel Team Up show like Batman: The Brave & The Bold. I'd like to see Marvel make a throwback team up show like that one with Spidey headlining it like the classic 70s-80s MTU series. It'd be cool to see a showcase of tons of Marvel characters with a retro tone. It'd be better than the hodgepodge crap of whatever that USM is.

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USM is a team-up show, though. I just think they should get back to the rich storytelling SSM had.

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USM is a team-up show, though. I just think they should get back to the rich storytelling SSM had.
Some episodes Spidey is solo, some episodes he's with the team, some episodes he's with the team teaming up with other heroes, other episodes he's solo teaming up with heroes; it just seems to me like the show doesn't know what it wants to do.

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And a bad one at that. It has revisited some of the worst moments in Marvel's history and turned heroes into children who never needed to be.

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