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Old 02-15-2013, 10:57 AM   #1
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Default Do you think Fox will/should make a Silver Surfer film?

I've been thinking about this lately and how Fox has wanted to take advantage of their superhero stable after the Avengers. With the Fantastic Four and X-Men rights they have 3 popular individual characters they can use: Wolverine, Deadpool, and Silver Surfer. Obviously Wolverine has his movies and Deadpool is at least being seriously talked about. Silver Surfer though is in question. There were talks about a movie after the second FF film but it didn't go anywhere. So do you think that, if the FF reboot is successful, will Fox make a Surfer movie and should they?

Personally, I think it would be a good idea because it only increases their number of franchises and adds another movie to tie-in to their shared universe concept. If everything works out and Wolverine, DOFP, and FF are all successful we could see a Fox stable that looks like this:

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That would be awesome on top of what Marvel is giving us.

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Don't Fox have the rights to Galactus?

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Should they? HELL NO!

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I hope they don't. However, WILL THEY? It may happen.

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What reasons do you have for Fox not making the movie other than you wanting Marvel to have the rights back?

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What reasons do you have for Fox not making the movie other than you wanting Marvel to have the rights back?
Have you seen what they did to the Surfer and Galactus in the second FF movie? There's your answer.

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Have you seen what they did to the Surfer and Galactus in the second FF movie? There's your answer.
Fox in the Tom Rothman era is over. (Thank god.) With the blockbuster success Marvel enjoys now with the Avengers franchise and subsidiaries, under the aegis of the House of Mouse, Fox realizes now that the old model of superhero movies is no longer applicable. They show every intention of making their Marvel projects more fan-accessible and "authentic" to canon, and righting wrongs such as Tim Story's FF, X-Men Origins, and The Last Stand.

I think the brief pissing match they had with Marvel Studios over the rights to Galactus and Surfer indicate they intend to reboot the characters. In fact, they *have* to make a movie featuring them soon, if they want to retain the rights.

And if they give Surfer his own movie, it gives them the opportunity to expand into their own version of Cosmic Marvel, which will be *very* necessary for the majority of FF stories, as well as bringing the Sh'iar mythos into the X-Universe.

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Fox in the Tom Rothman era is over. (Thank god.) With the blockbuster success Marvel enjoys now with the Avengers franchise and subsidiaries, under the aegis of the House of Mouse, Fox realizes now that the old model of superhero movies is no longer applicable. They show every intention of making their Marvel projects more fan-accessible and "authentic" to canon, and righting wrongs such as Tim Story's FF, X-Men Origins, and The Last Stand.
What evidence do you have that they "realize" their mistakes? Hiring loud mouth, Captain Extreme Mark Millar? Creating their own mini-MCU?

I'd prefer to look at their track record to judge their future. They have made 9 Marvel films:
X-Men
X2: X-Men United
X-Men: The Last Stand
X-Men Origins: Wolverine
X-Men: First Class
Daredevil
Elektra
Fantastic Four
Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer

Of those 9 films how many are good? Only 3! 33%. That's not much of a track record. That's not much room for optimism.

Lets do a few more comparisons while we're at it. How about Sony? They have made 6 Marvel films.
Spider-Man
Spider-Man 2
Spider-Man 3
Amazing Spider-Man
Ghost Rider
Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance

How many are good? 3 out of the 6 or 50%. This is hardly a good track record but its significantly higher than Fox's.

Now finally how about Marvel Studios/Disney? They have made 6 Marvel movies.
Iron Man
The Incredible Hulk
Iron Man 2
Thor
Captain America: The First Avenger
Marvel's The Avengers

How many we're good? 6 or 100%! Any questions as to why most of us don't trust Fox or Sony for that matter?

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What evidence do you have that they "realize" their mistakes? Hiring loud mouth, Captain Extreme Mark Millar? Creating their own mini-MCU?

I'd prefer to look at their track record to judge their future. They have made 9 Marvel films:
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X-Men Origins: Wolverine
X-Men: First Class
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Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer

Of those 9 films how many are good? Only 3! 33%. That's not much of a track record. That's not much room for optimism.
Did you overlook that part where I said that the Tom Rothman era is over? Rothman was a first-class moron and a douchebag, and had no clue how to make superhero movies. He's gone now.

XMFC was widely praised by critics and fanboys alike; DOFP brings Singer back with plans to return to what made the X-Franchise so popular in the first place; the new Wolverine movie seems to be better thought-out than the all-over-the-place schlock of XMOW; and the hiring of Millar, whether you like him or not, means that they're serious about consulting a Marvel veteran to align their universe with something actually resembling the comic books. Hell, Millar is even the loudest voice for trying to merge the different studio franchises into the MCU --- if not with actual cameos and crossovers, then at least with easter eggs that illustrate the shared Marvel universe we all know and love.

Hey, I love Marvel Studios, and I'd love to see them get all their properties back. What I DON'T love --- not even remotely -- is "two movies per year." If MS got back ALL their properties tomorrow, then the VAST majority of Marvel's biggest franchises would wind up gathering dust, ne'er to be seen again by mortal man on the big screen. Outsourcing keeps big franchises like Spider-Man, the X-Universe, and Fantastic Four solvent.

There's plenty of room to be optimistic about Fox and Sony handling the other franchises.

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Hopefully they lose the rights to Marvel/Disney somehow.

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If you want you can also expand Sony's superhero film share with Hancock(also a bad movie). Then they're success rate drops to just under 43%.

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cherokeesam is speaking the complete truth. It's obvious both Fox and Sony have learned their lessons and after the Avengers, the superhero movie is a completely different ball game. Both Fox and Sony are gearing to do their most ambitious and faithful adaptations of their properties we've seen yet.

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cherokeesam is speaking the complete truth. It's obvious both Fox and Sony have learned their lessons and after the Avengers, the superhero movie is a completely different ball game. Both Fox and Sony are gearing to do their most ambitious and faithful adaptations of their properties we've seen yet.

It isn't obvious at all that the other studios have learned anything from Marvel's success. The only thing that is obvious is that they are now motivated by greed, the desire to replicate the billion-dollar payday Marvel achieved with The Avengers. Merely wanting to emulate Marvel's ability to make successful films doesn't mean that either studio actually has the ability to do so.


Mark Millar's hiring at Fox may be little more than window dressing. He has been very vocal about Fox's alleged desire to create a coherent universe with its Marvel properties. However, Bryan Singer hasn't even spoken to Millar and made it clear that whatever happens in the X films is controlled solely by him. There doesn't appear to be any coordination going on there. The consultant has also spoken of Josh Trank's plans for the FF reboot, but whether he has actually spoken to the director or writers is questionable. It's kind of hard to consult when no one is communicating.


Millar's one concrete contribution was convincing Matthew Vaughn to drop DOFP in favor of helming one of Millar's own films. With the follow-up to the (moderately) successful reboot now in the hands of a different director due to his influence, one has to wonder whether Millar's hiring was actually such a great thing for Fox's Marvel projects.

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It isn't obvious at all that the other studios have learned anything from Marvel's success. The only thing that is obvious is that they are now motivated by greed, the desire to replicate the billion-dollar payday Marvel achieved with The Avengers. Merely wanting to emulate Marvel's ability to make successful films doesn't mean that either studio actually has the ability to do so.
You sir are 100% correct!

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I never said anything about Millar. My point is that they're taking the steps to right the wrongs they did in the past (in Fox's case). If you want to spin that as greed and cash grabs then so be it, but either way it works out to bigger, more ambitious, and more faithful adaptations of the materials for us fans. Just look at what they're doing with The Wolverine. They learned from their mistake with Origins, went back to the drawing board and saw how much success Marvel was having with their faithful adaptations, and decided to make a Wolverine film that actually draws more from the comics and put Wolverine in his solo habitat, where his individual films should belong. The Wolverine will be like a Spider-Man film or Iron Man film, it will be completely Wolverine and could be looked at as its own corner of the universe in a way. Great step in the right direction.

Now with DOFP they're doing the most ambitious, and probably faithful, adaptation of any X-Men film. It all works out for the fans.

With FF they're bringing in a director who will actually honor the source material and make a film that is not only focused on popcorn value but also what make the FF special.

Once again, spin it however you want to but either way fans win.

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I never said anything about Millar. My point is that they're taking the steps to right the wrongs they did in the past (in Fox's case). If you want to spin that as greed and cash grabs then so be it, but either way it works out to bigger, more ambitious, and more faithful adaptations of the materials for us fans. Just look at what they're doing with The Wolverine. They learned from their mistake with Origins, went back to the drawing board and saw how much success Marvel was having with their faithful adaptations, and decided to make a Wolverine film that actually draws more from the comics and put Wolverine in his solo habitat, where his individual films should belong. The Wolverine will be like a Spider-Man film or Iron Man film, it will be completely Wolverine and could be looked at as its own corner of the universe in a way. Great step in the right direction.

Now with DOFP they're doing the most ambitious, and probably faithful, adaptation of any X-Men film. It all works out for the fans.

With FF they're bringing in a director who will actually honor the source material and make a film that is not only focused on popcorn value but also what make the FF special.

Once again, spin it however you want to but either way fans win.
And where's your proof???

The only one doing the talking for FOX is Mark Millar and you're moon walking away from him better than MJ himself...

So lets look at The Wolverine... All we know is that it's taking place after X3. And we have yet to see a trailer and all Mangold could manage for an excuse is a d-bag remark about being early to a party. (As if FOX was even invited to this party...)

Yet seeing as how disappointed Origon's was, you'd think that FOX would want to get as many fans back on board as soon as possible with all the competition it's surrounded by this summer.

And DOFP just sounds like a convoluted mess so far so Vaughns departure as directer may have more clues about it than one would think.

So sorry but I'm not buying...Everything you're quoting is from Mark Millars mouth which ironically you've disavowed any liking to within the same quote.

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OTOH, if they had the rights back from other studios, then those studios wouldn't also be making super hero films. Thus, saturation would be at a lower level.

Anyway, I don't want Fox touching the Silver Surfer again, because Rothman or no Rothman, I have zero faith they can do the character justice.

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Anyway, I don't want Fox touching the Silver Surfer again, because Rothman or no Rothman, I have zero faith they can do the character justice.
In fact I have zero faith that they can make a decent FF movie as a whole! This will dent Josh Tranks shiny car career if this film comes into fruition. IMO.

I don't even know why this thread is even in this forum to be honest. The FF has their own forum now for this nonsense (yeah I said it!! Because Fox holding on to dear life to the FF is nonsense)


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actually itd be kind of interesting... should fox's F4 reboot succeed, if they did something like this:

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^ Yes it would be, on top of a Deadpool movie, more Woverine films, and maybe X-Men spinning off into X-Force. Fox can do so many cool things that people don't realize. With Surfer they can even explore the Shi'ar empire since Fox should have the rights to that and then use that as the bases for a FF/X-Men crossover film.

And I don't think that FF will be nearly as dependent on the X-Men with Fox as they would be with the Avengers at Marvel. They're going to be largely in their own corners until a crossover film way down the line. Fox is obligated to continue producing FF films so every film they put out is not going to tie right into the X-Men films, unlike if Marvel had the rights, where they can just make a film or two that ties into the Avengers and then call it a day.

I think the situation we're in right now is ideal, with Spider-Man, X-Men, and FF at different studios than Marvel. The only thing I would ask for is some little easter eggs to make it clear that they all work in the same universe, like some Stark Industries tech in Spider-Man or the term mutants being used in one of the MCU films. Other than that, it's quite fine to keep them separate and not crossover into the Avengers.

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I think the situation we're in right now is ideal, with Spider-Man, X-Men, and FF at different studios than Marvel. The only thing I would ask for is some little easter eggs to make it clear that they all work in the same universe, like some Stark Industries tech in Spider-Man or the term mutants being used in one of the MCU films. Other than that, it's quite fine to keep them separate and not crossover into the Avengers.
But they are NOT in the same universe. Despite what the leaches over at Fox and Sony may want; Marvel/Disney doesn't want it...and rightfully so IMHO. It just wouldn't make any sense that the Battle of New York is never mentioned in Spider-Man. Or the fact that mutants are running amok isn't addressed in Avengers. I'm so glad that the Oscorp building was left out of Avengers.

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But they are NOT in the same universe. Despite what the leaches over at Fox and Sony may want; Marvel/Disney doesn't want it...and rightfully so IMHO. It just wouldn't make any sense that the Battle of New York is never mentioned in Spider-Man. Or the fact that mutants are running amok isn't addressed in Avengers. I'm so glad that the Oscorp building was left out of Avengers.
Show me proof that Marvel/Disney doesn't want to share their universe with the Marvel properties at other studios. There's no indication of that whatsoever except in the blinkered visions of a handful of Marvel Rights Activists on these boards.

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Show me proof that Marvel/Disney doesn't want to share their universe with the Marvel properties at other studios. There's no indication of that whatsoever except in the blinkered visions of a handful of Marvel Rights Activists on these boards.
The easiest way for me to respond to this post is: "Show me proof that Marvel DOES want to share their universe with Fox/Sony".

What's the best you got? The Oscorp Tower idea that a few guys kicked around but was never used?

However, I'll play your game if you want. How about the proposed Galactus/Silver Surfer for Daredevil trade for proof? Clearly Marvel has designs for these characters, and they don't trust Fox to use them properly, so they asked for those rights back. If they trusted Fox, and/or wanted to merge the universes (as you suggest), wouldn't they simply let Fox make the movie and tie it in?

Other proof? Rather than hammering out deals with Fox/Sony to get their heavy hitters back Marvel is moving forward with lesser known characters: Guardians of the Galaxy, Ant-Man, Dr. Strange, etc. They are showing Fox, Sony, and probably more importantly WB/DC that they don't even need big draw power to be successful just good storytelling, characters, and creative direction. It's worked for Cap, Iron Man, and Thor so far; all characters the General Audience knew next to nothing about before their solo outings and The Avengers. Hell, they also showed the audience that Hulk CAN be made awesome on the big screen. Now that the GA is aware of these characters and Marvel's interconnected plans, they will be increasingly on board with Marvel's strategy IMHO. The Avengers are truly part of the vernacular of popular culture now like Star Wars, Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, etc. So Marvel simply doesn't NEED Spidey, X-Men, FF, and GR at the moment. They are EXTREMELY successful without them. Although they would certainly like them back...but only under their terms.

Finally Marvel has little reason to trust Fox or Sony because their percentages of quality films is so poor. Again look at Fox: they are 3 for 9 in Marvel films. Sony is 3 for 6 in Marvel films. These are awful percentages. WB/DC's percentages are even worse I'm sure, although I'd have to debate what counts as a "DC" movie vs. a Vertigo, etc...(I'll leave that for someone else). Marvel/Disney on the other hand? They are 6 for 6!

What makes you so convinced that Fox has it right now? The fact that First Class was better than expected? Aside from Magneto's scenes that movie wasn't nearly as mind blowing as some make it out to be. In fact, I found it rather redundant at this point, but that's just me. Perhaps you are excited about Millar's inclusion? Have you read any of his stuff? I'll give you The Ultimates, but aside from that his only contribution to comics is taking characters and turning them "EXTREME!!!!!". Do you also know that he hasn't even met with Bryan Singer yet? Also The Wolverine was nearly finished with production before he was even offered the role. How much of an impact is he going to have on that one? Maybe your hanging your hopes on Bryan Singer's return? May I ask, how is that a novel idea for Fox? They are simply grasping at straws by returning to the ONLY success they have found with these films. This is not a creative stroke, this is DESPERATION. Fox has yet to have a single creative idea yet. A Cinematic Universe? They blatantly stole that from Marvel. Marvel Studios rightfully owns the title: "The House of Ideas". They are by far the most creative movie studio in recent memory, perhaps all time!

Singer confirms that the "Cinematic Universe" includes all 5 X-Men films released currently. Do you want a universe where XO:Wolverine and The Last Stand exist? A universe where continuity is so chaotic and shoddy (thanks to XO:W and First Class) that they have to make a time travel movie to try and make sense of it?

To be honest. I'm simply not sold on Fox's turnaround. If I'm Marvel/Disney, I stay the hell away from them and Sony. But of course maybe I'll be proved wrong...

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The easiest way for me to respond to this post is: "Show me proof that Marvel DOES want to share their universe with Fox/Sony".

What's the best you got? The Oscorp Tower idea that a few guys kicked around but was never used?

However, I'll play your game if you want. How about the proposed Galactus/Silver Surfer for Daredevil trade for proof? Clearly Marvel has designs for these characters, and they don't trust Fox to use them properly, so they asked for those rights back. If they trusted Fox, and/or wanted to merge the universes (as you suggest), wouldn't they simply let Fox make the movie and tie it in?

Other proof? Rather than hammering out deals with Fox/Sony to get their heavy hitters back Marvel is moving forward with lesser known characters: Guardians of the Galaxy, Ant-Man, Dr. Strange, etc. They are showing Fox, Sony, and probably more importantly WB/DC that they don't even need big draw power to be successful just good storytelling, characters, and creative direction. It's worked for Cap, Iron Man, and Thor so far; all characters the General Audience knew next to nothing about before their solo outings and The Avengers. Hell, they also showed the audience that Hulk CAN be made awesome on the big screen. Now that the GA is aware of these characters and Marvel's interconnected plans, they will be increasingly on board with Marvel's strategy IMHO. The Avengers are truly part of the vernacular of popular culture now like Star Wars, Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, etc. So Marvel simply doesn't NEED Spidey, X-Men, FF, and GR at the moment. They are EXTREMELY successful without them. Although they would certainly like them back...but only under their terms.

Finally Marvel has little reason to trust Fox or Sony because their percentages of quality films is so poor. Again look at Fox: they are 3 for 9 in Marvel films. Sony is 3 for 6 in Marvel films. These are awful percentages. WB/DC's percentages are even worse I'm sure, although I'd have to debate what counts as a "DC" movie vs. a Vertigo, etc...(I'll leave that for someone else). Marvel/Disney on the other hand? They are 6 for 6!

What makes you so convinced that Fox has it right now? The fact that First Class was better than expected? Aside from Magneto's scenes that movie wasn't nearly as mind blowing as some make it out to be. In fact, I found it rather redundant at this point, but that's just me. Perhaps you are excited about Millar's inclusion? Have you read any of his stuff? I'll give you The Ultimates, but aside from that his only contribution to comics is taking characters and turning them "EXTREME!!!!!". Do you also know that he hasn't even met with Bryan Singer yet? Also The Wolverine was nearly finished with production before he was even offered the role. How much of an impact is he going to have on that one? Maybe your hanging your hopes on Bryan Singer's return? May I ask, how is that a novel idea for Fox? They are simply grasping at straws by returning to the ONLY success they have found with these films. This is not a creative stroke, this is DESPERATION. Fox has yet to have a single creative idea yet. A Cinematic Universe? They blatantly stole that from Marvel. Marvel Studios rightfully owns the title: "The House of Ideas". They are by far the most creative movie studio in recent memory, perhaps all time!

Singer confirms that the "Cinematic Universe" includes all 5 X-Men films released currently. Do you want a universe where XO:Wolverine and The Last Stand exist? A universe where continuity is so chaotic and shoddy (thanks to XO:W and First Class) that they have to make a time travel movie to try and make sense of it?

To be honest. I'm simply not sold on Fox's turnaround. If I'm Marvel/Disney, I stay the hell away from them and Sony. But of course maybe I'll be proved wrong...
All of that's a very paranoid view of Marvel's relationship with Fox and Sony, and you believe that this comes from a place of competition. Me, I prefer to look at it from a more objective standpoint, one that's coming from a place of business.

Marvel makes money off their properties at other studios. For every dollar that Spidey and X-Men and FF make, Marvel gets a percentage of the profits. They *want* those movies to succeed. IIRC, Disney/Marvel even acquired *all* the merchandising rights to the Spider-Man movie toys and tie-ins last year.

The brief spat over Galactus and Surfer had nothing to do with Marvel not trusting Fox to "do those characters justice"; it was simply that they wanted to use those characters in a future movie storyline, most likely something tied in with Guardians or Avengers. They don't begrudge Fox the opportunity to use them again in a Fantastic Four reboot.

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