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Old 03-15-2013, 07:31 PM   #1
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If Fox is really trying to create a shared universe between X-Men and FF then the perfect storyline to bridge them together would be the sequel to Days of Future Past, Days of Future Present which deals with the FF and the X-Men. If they introduce Rachel Summers in Days of Future Past (which they really really should) it would set it up perfectly for this storyline down the road

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I think an Age of Apocalypse film could work as well. With the news of Blinky being in DOFP Apocalypse being a villain eventually seems very likely now.

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I think an Age of Apocalypse film could work as well. With the news of Blinky being in DOFP Apocalypse being a villain eventually seems very likely now.
I'm not well versed on Apocalypse how does he connect to FF?

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I'm not well versed on Apocalypse how does he connect to FF?
Via Kang the Conqueror; which might make the link a little tricky.

Apocalypse is an ancient being, and was originally born in ancient Egypt as En Sabah Nur. Kang the Conqueror went back to that time period and became the Pharaoh Rama-Tut, and in that guise, he tutored En Sabah Nur and empowered him to become Apocalypse. Rama-Tut originally appeared as a very early FF villain; the link to Kang was added for the Avengers' franchise sake a few years later.

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FOX should've gotten their act together with the very first X-Men film to create a shared universe.

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Shared universe is overrated in regards to X-Men. Their universe is just as convoluted and dense as the rest of the MCU combined and the tethers between the two (besides shoehorning Wolverine into everything) are thin at best.

I am fine with the X-Verse being its own thing. But FF? They really belong in the MCU, as does Spidey for that matter. The Richards family and Xavier School can be connected, but I cannot think of many great reasons for them to team up. I think Fox would be wiser at better expanding the X-Men mythos into something as comparable to the MCU as opposed to just making main titles and Wolverine.

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I'm not well versed on Apocalypse how does he connect to FF?
He doesn't connect directly but he's the type of big villain that can bring the X-Men and FF together. Sam summed up his background pretty well.

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Shared universe is overrated in regards to X-Men. Their universe is just as convoluted and dense as the rest of the MCU combined and the tethers between the two (besides shoehorning Wolverine into everything) are thin at best.

I am fine with the X-Verse being its own thing. But FF? They really belong in the MCU, as does Spidey for that matter. The Richards family and Xavier School can be connected, but I cannot think of many great reasons for them to team up. I think Fox would be wiser at better expanding the X-Men mythos into something as comparable to the MCU as opposed to just making main titles and Wolverine.

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I don't think this is the point of the thread.

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He doesn't connect directly but he's the type of big villain that can bring the X-Men and FF together. Sam summed up his background pretty well.


I don't think this is the point of the thread.
The thread is about finding an obtuse way to connect X-Men and FF in a shared adventure. Thus far, people are mentioning famous X-stories with small nods to the FF to set up Rachel Summers? My point is they do not really narratively have much of a reason to mix. It is, as others have said, Fox wants to cash in on the Avengers $$. If they want to do that, the best way is to expand the X-verse into its own thing that is as big as the MCU. Because in all honesty, nobody is clamoring for an X-Men/Fantastic Four team-up and the idea just seems forced. It may be a business strategy, but that does not make it a smart or automatically successful one. I think it is fair to point out the obvious.

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The thread is about finding an obtuse way to connect X-Men and FF in a shared adventure. Thus far, people are mentioning famous X-stories with small nods to the FF to set up Rachel Summers? My point is they do not really narratively have much of a reason to mix. It is, as others have said, Fox wants to cash in on the Avengers $$. If they want to do that, the best way is to expand the X-verse into its own thing that is as big as the MCU. Because in all honesty, nobody is clamoring for an X-Men/Fantastic Four team-up and the idea just seems forced. It may be a business strategy, but that does not make it a smart or automatically successful one. I think it is fair to point out the obvious.
Obtuse as it may be it still can be done. No one said every film that comes out of the FMCU has to connect FF and X-Men. I just brought up one story that just so happens to focus in equal parts on the X-Men and FF only and that story just so happens to be a direct sequel to a story they are about to do. As much as you may hate the idea it's been done in the comics and can be done in the films too. It's just a sidenote that this could introduce one of my favorite female X characters.

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I don't see it amount to much more than possibly a cameo. The Fantastic Four are dead as a film franchise.

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The thread is about finding an obtuse way to connect X-Men and FF in a shared adventure. Thus far, people are mentioning famous X-stories with small nods to the FF to set up Rachel Summers? My point is they do not really narratively have much of a reason to mix. It is, as others have said, Fox wants to cash in on the Avengers $$. If they want to do that, the best way is to expand the X-verse into its own thing that is as big as the MCU. Because in all honesty, nobody is clamoring for an X-Men/Fantastic Four team-up and the idea just seems forced. It may be a business strategy, but that does not make it a smart or automatically successful one. I think it is fair to point out the obvious.
I'm inclined to agree.
The X-Universe has always been its own thing, even in the comics. Especially since the 1990s, X-Men has spawned a ****-ton of titles that exist in their own mutant universe. Shlock like the recent AVX notwithstanding, the X-Universe rarely intrudes on the rest of the Marvel Universe, and vice versa. That's why having a separate studio manage the X-Men titles doesn't feel forced at all, and is actually canonical when you think about it.

But yeah, trying to carve out a niche in the X-Universe for the FF *does* feel forced. It's understandable why Fox wants to do it, but it's really apples and oranges. Tonally and thematically, the FF share a lot more with the MCU than with the FCU. Fox, and fandom, would be better served by expanding the X-Men universe by spinning off films like Cable and/or Deadpool, Excalibur, New Mutants, Generation X, X-Factor, X-Statix, The Brotherhood, Storm, Psylocke, Dazzler, Cloak and Dagger....pretty much an infinite bunch of stories to draw from.

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I'm inclined to agree.
The X-Universe has always been its own thing, even in the comics. Especially since the 1990s, X-Men has spawned a ****-ton of titles that exist in their own mutant universe. Shlock like the recent AVX notwithstanding, the X-Universe rarely intrudes on the rest of the Marvel Universe, and vice versa. That's why having a separate studio manage the X-Men titles doesn't feel forced at all, and is actually canonical when you think about it.

But yeah, trying to carve out a niche in the X-Universe for the FF *does* feel forced. It's understandable why Fox wants to do it, but it's really apples and oranges. Tonally and thematically, the FF share a lot more with the MCU than with the FCU. Fox, and fandom, would be better served by expanding the X-Men universe by spinning off films like Cable and/or Deadpool, Excalibur, New Mutants, Generation X, X-Factor, X-Statix, The Brotherhood, Storm, Psylocke, Dazzler, Cloak and Dagger....pretty much an infinite bunch of stories to draw from.
I agree.

You could link the X-Men and FF together but they don't have a huge amount of common ground with each other. If I was going to link them then I guess the cosmic X-Men stuff and the cosmic FF stuff would be the way to do it (Shi'ar, Kree, The Brood , The Phalanx). I don't think alot of people want to see wanting the space based X-men stuff though. The X-Men films have generally been slightly more grounded so far.

The X-Universe is like a universe in its self. There are so many characters, teams, storylines, multiple realites, ect in the X-Universe that you don't really need to link them together as there is so much depth.

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Days of Future Past is Singer pivoting and doing one grand finale for the original cast and handing off the franchise to the next generation in style. The Wolverine is basically going to be stand alone. So, why should they consult or connect anything at this point?

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The X-Universe has always been its own thing, even in the comics. Especially since the 1990s, X-Men has spawned a ****-ton of titles that exist in their own mutant universe. Shlock like the recent AVX notwithstanding, the X-Universe rarely intrudes on the rest of the Marvel Universe, and vice versa. That's why having a separate studio manage the X-Men titles doesn't feel forced at all, and is actually canonical when you think about it.

But yeah, trying to carve out a niche in the X-Universe for the FF *does* feel forced. It's understandable why Fox wants to do it, but it's really apples and oranges. Tonally and thematically, the FF share a lot more with the MCU than with the FCU. Fox, and fandom, would be better served by expanding the X-Men universe by spinning off films like Cable and/or Deadpool, Excalibur, New Mutants, Generation X, X-Factor, X-Statix, The Brotherhood, Storm, Psylocke, Dazzler, Cloak and Dagger....pretty much an infinite bunch of stories to draw from.
Agree. A Fox Shared Universe has EVERYTHING in place to rival Marvel's success. Solo films with rich characters are everywhere in the X-Men Universe. As mentioned in the 90's in the books, it was X-Men on top with Spider-Man. The Avengers were relegated to b-list verge of cancellation books.


They need to flush perception of those other FF movies the way the WB flushed Batman & Robin. FF done right will turn on enough of the box office juice.


I can see Fox using their ace very fast and that's Galactus. He can be the global threat that brings the X-Men and FF together. It can also introduce the Shi'ar and Skrulls. If Guardians of the Galaxy hits, Fox will have the option of spinning X-Men off in to space.

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It seems the FF property would have more to gain from an X-Men connection than the X-men property would have.

It seems Fox is finally getting the X-Men franchise back on track why would they want to tag on what's perceived as a failed or underachieving franchise to it?

Is anyone out there i.e. General Audience, going man we really need to see the FF team up with the X-Men on screen?

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Shared universe is overrated in regards to X-Men. Their universe is just as convoluted and dense as the rest of the MCU combined and the tethers between the two (besides shoehorning Wolverine into everything) are thin at best.

I am fine with the X-Verse being its own thing. But FF? They really belong in the MCU, as does Spidey for that matter. The Richards family and Xavier School can be connected, but I cannot think of many great reasons for them to team up. I think Fox would be wiser at better expanding the X-Men mythos into something as comparable to the MCU as opposed to just making main titles and Wolverine.

Just my thoughts.
I wouldn't say it's overrated more like it's a business strategy that they see working for Marvel and they see WB toying with the idea so they want a piece of the action.

And you're right about them needing to expand the X-Verse. That could be part of their FMCU (Fox Marvel Cinematic Universe as I will call it now). Introducing more X-Verse characters outside the main ones is a good idea. New Mutants, X-Factor, Xcalibur etc. It could make for great storylines (Second Coming which I really want to see). They could definitely make their FMCU just as big as the original MCU. And as for Spidey he could go with Marvel or Fox. Seeing as he became apart of Future Foundation he now has a stake in both that's important.

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Via Kang the Conqueror; which might make the link a little tricky.

Apocalypse is an ancient being, and was originally born in ancient Egypt as En Sabah Nur. Kang the Conqueror went back to that time period and became the Pharaoh Rama-Tut, and in that guise, he tutored En Sabah Nur and empowered him to become Apocalypse. Rama-Tut originally appeared as a very early FF villain; the link to Kang was added for the Avengers' franchise sake a few years later.
Thanks for the history, they could certainly make this one of their shared movies.


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Lol it really wasn't. I want to see this thread become the official Fox MCU thread if that's possible lol.

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It seems the FF property would have more to gain from an X-Men connection than the X-men property would have.

It seems Fox is finally getting the X-Men franchise back on track why would they want to tag on what's perceived as a failed or underachieving franchise to it?

Is anyone out there i.e. General Audience, going man we really need to see the FF team up with the X-Men on screen?
FF definitely has more to gain by being connected to X-Men than the other way around. But as I stated before it is a business strategy simple as that.

No use continuing saying it's a pointless idea when Fox have already said they're going ahead with it. It's clear Matthew Vaughn is going to have a hand in it seeing as he has already or will be producing everything in the FMCU except The Wolverine but that's a special movie.

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^^^ And people keep saying FF won't get made and yet Fox's main guys keep reiterating that it will. So unless Fox has been lying to Millar on what they want him to do it looks like the FMCU is happening whether people like it or not and I for one kind of like it

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^^^ And people keep saying FF won't get made and yet Fox's main guys keep reiterating that it will. So unless Fox has been lying to Millar on what they want him to do it looks like the FMCU is happening whether people like it or not and I for one kind of like it
The only "main guys" talking about it is Millar - both Singer and Trank have been silent regarding all things FF.

There is no doubt FOX is putting a lot of money into its X Men properties, but other than Millar's sales pitches we haven't heard anything substantial about Marvel's first family. And given the high potential cost, poor public perception, lack of merchandising and challenging release date, talk is all we might get.

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The only "main guys" talking about it is Millar - both Singer and Trank have been silent regarding all things FF.

There is no doubt FOX is putting a lot of money into its X Men properties, but other than Millar's sales pitches we haven't heard anything substantial about Marvel's first family. And given the high potential cost, poor public perception, lack of merchandising and challenging release date, talk is all we might get.
If they don't make the movie, they don't get to keep the FF rights, period. And yeah, we all know that's what you want to happen, so that Marvel Studios can get the rights; but it's not *going* to. Because, even worst case scenario, Fox will wait til the last minute and churn out something they know is a stinker, just to keep the rights for another umpteen years.

FF is getting made. Whether it's better than the crapfest that Tim Story churned out remains to be seen; but make no mistake: FF is getting made.

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If they don't make the movie, they don't get to keep the FF rights, period. And yeah, we all know that's what you want to happen, so that Marvel Studios can get the rights; but it's not *going* to. Because, even worst case scenario, Fox will wait til the last minute and churn out something they know is a stinker, just to keep the rights for another umpteen years.

FF is getting made. Whether it's better than the crapfest that Tim Story churned out remains to be seen; but make no mistake: FF is getting made.
Churning out a stinker is something FOX could have gotten away with in the pre Disney days, but would likely lead to very costly legal action at the present time.

I agree, the FF film is getting made. But when it gets made and who makes it - FOX, FOX/Disney or Disney - is very much in doubt.

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If they don't make the movie, they don't get to keep the FF rights, period. And yeah, we all know that's what you want to happen, so that Marvel Studios can get the rights; but it's not *going* to. Because, even worst case scenario, Fox will wait til the last minute and churn out something they know is a stinker, just to keep the rights for another umpteen years.

FF is getting made. Whether it's better than the crapfest that Tim Story churned out remains to be seen; but make no mistake: FF is getting made.
You're absolutely right. Fox would never let a Marvel property slip through their fingers at the last minute, even if they made two previous films based on the property that didn't do well critically or even financially.

I mean...that's why they still own the rights to Daredevil. Right? ...RIGHT?

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You're absolutely right. Fox would never let a Marvel property slip through their fingers at the last minute, even if they made two previous films based on the property that didn't do well critically or even financially.

I mean...that's why they still own the rights to Daredevil. Right? ...RIGHT?
They didn't let DD "slip through their fingers"; they gave him up to Marvel Studios in a calculated move to protect the FF franchise (specifically, Galactus and Silver Surfer). Thought you already knew that.

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Some of this stuff with Millar makes him sound like some of the stories I have read about Stan Lee. He would do big speaking engagements about Marvel, essentially playing the role of "hype man," even though he hadn't been involved with the comics in years, and would have no idea what people were asking about. Like at one college, he was confused as to what Howard the Duck was.

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They didn't let DD "slip through their fingers"; they gave him up to Marvel Studios in a calculated move to protect the FF franchise (specifically, Galactus and Silver Surfer). Thought you already knew that.

Here's the thing, though: Letting the Daredevil rights lapse was not a "calculated move to protect the FF franchise" because the one was not directly related to the other. By all accounts, Fox had a director for DD and a script but was unwilling or unable to finance the film on its own. (The notorious Fox cheapness at work.) As Deadline related, Fox went begging to Marvel/Disney for financial backing and an extension of its rights and was denied. The studio strung the director along until the very last minute, then decided to allow its rights to lapse rather than make the film. All of that occurred independent of any deal for the rights to Galactus and the Surfer.


It was only when Fox was at the end of its rope with the DD rights that Marvel offered them a deal for an extension in exchange for use of Galactus & the Surfer. This was after seven years of foot-dragging and nonsense from Fox, which could still have started filming on the movie up until the rights lapsed. You can spin that as Fox grandly sacrificing DD for the FF rights if you like, but the plain fact is that they were going to lose DD anyway because of their own mistakes and stinginess. Marvel simply offered them an out, which they declined to take.

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To add, remember that its in Fox's interest to hold onto the rights as long as possible, simply to retain them as bargaining chips with Marvel/Disney if nothing else. The best case scenario, from the Fox execs perspective, is likely "Disney breaks down and offers us a sizable check for the FF rights."

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One thing is for sure the hiring of Mark Millar was a brilliant idea

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