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Old 03-31-2013, 06:11 PM   #1
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Default Bane's place in the rogues gallery post-Rises

Here something I was thinking about today but don't remember it being discussed to any great length - where Bane now stands in the the gallery of villains. There's no doubt pre-Rises Bane was at best a C-grade villain in the Batman universe, Knightfall was essentially his claim to fame but outside of that he never really hit any great heights again in 20 years of story telling. To add insult he was then lampooned in Batman and Robin as this brain dead mutant thug, destroying the credibility of the character to the wider audiences. So Bane languished as a C-level bad guy for a while in comics and animation until Nolan decided he was to be the villain in Rises. It came as a surprise to most of us, but the logic behind it made sense in that it gave Batman the physical threat he lacked in the series. On top of that it gave Nolan a chance to use a character that was reasonably unknown to the masses making him as close to an original villain as Nolan could get. So we get our first image which was a very different, and IMO, much better look for the character, a year later the film is released and whilst he never reached the same heights as the Joker it's a fair statement to say Bane still left a mark on the series regardless of how you view the movie. So the question is 9 months after the film came out - where is Bane's place in the Batman mythology rogues gallery now? He's been elevated, but I don't know if he's quite in the same league as Joker, Two-Face, Riddler, Catwoman etc still. What do you all think?

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Dovetail question: Should the comics/animation adapt what Nolan brought to the character?

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Good question. I've been thinking about this lately too. Quick answer would be below Joker, Two-Face, Catwoman, Ra's, Penguin, but above Riddler, Black Mask, and Scarecrow.

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In terms of popularity, I'd say Bane is right up there with Batman's main rogues now. Being the main villain in a blockbuster movie is bound to do that. He'll show up a lot more from now on.

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Nice idea for a thread.

I think as of now, there's still a disconnect between Bane's status in the movieverse and his status in the comics. It's pretty impressive that in only 20 years of his existence he's already been in two live action films (even though he was a complete joke in one of them). After Rises I would say his popularity is undeniably elevated in terms of the mainstream and now the mainstream knows that he's not just a dumb hulking brute.

But until we see him being used more in the comics and given more substantial storylines, I think he's always just going to be known as "the man who broke the Bat". Which is a nice claim to fame, but you can't be considered a top tier villain if your greatest feat was a one time thing that can never be topped. I'd like to see more of the military commander/revolutionary Bane in future Batman comic arcs. It'd be cool to see comic writers incorporate some aspects from the movie, maybe even the look too.

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Nice idea for a thread.

I think as of now, there's still a disconnect between Bane's status in the movieverse and his status in the comics. It's pretty impressive that in only 20 years of his existence he's already been in two live action films (even though he was a complete joke in one of them). After Rises I would say his popularity is undeniably elevated in terms of the mainstream and now the mainstream knows that he's not just a dumb hulking brute.

But until we see him being used more in the comics and given more substantial storylines, I think he's always just going to be known as "the man who broke the Bat". Which is a nice claim to fame, but you can't be considered a top tier villain if your greatest feat was a one time thing that can never be topped. I'd like to see more of the military commander/revolutionary Bane in future Batman comic arcs. It'd be cool to see comic writers incorporate some aspects from the movie, maybe even the look too.
Yeah, pretty much this. I would love to see some of the movie aspects applied to the comics. I've always liked Bane and wanted more out of the character. I'm glad Nolan gave him his due on film, and hopefully the comics can further add to the character.

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Well his being redubbed all over youtube sure is keeping him in the public's mind(well, some of the public).

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Bane was still regarded as a top notch villain before Nolan. Definitely not C- as you say at lowest B- to C+. He was one of my fav villains before Nolan and while I liked the way he was betrayed I prefer Bane on Venom it makes him more interesting. So no comics should not follow Nolans version of Bane. Joker, Riddler, Two Face, Freeze and then Bane.

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Only the visual look. Bane's back story is fine the way it is. I don't think we need him with his mask welded to his face because he's in constant agony.

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Only the visual look. Bane's back story is fine the way it is. I don't think we need him with his mask welded to his face because he's in constant agony.
Definitely not the way where he's in constant agony, but would you be fine if his mask was more like in TDKR or the same as it's in the comics?

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Definitely not the way where he's in constant agony, but would you be fine if his mask was more like in TDKR or the same as it's in the comics?
Definitely TDKR's. Looks far more intimidating than the Luchador mask. Since the comics don't have their characters wearing something bad ass looking for a specific reason like Nolan does, they can have Bane get a new mask without making it a simple pain killing gas device.

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Definitely TDKR's. Looks far more intimidating than the Luchador mask. Since the comics don't have their characters wearing something bad ass looking for a specific reason like Nolan does, they can have Bane get a new mask without making it a simple pain killing gas device.
what is the difference from bane's mask from Spiderman's mask or Spawn's mask?

I like the simple "Vengance of Bane" look. K.I.S.S.

every cartoon and video game creators try to add something to Bane, and make him look stupid.

Nolan's Bane is ok.

I guess Spiderman looks like luchador since he originaly started as a wrestler.


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what is the difference from bane's mask from Spiderman's mask or Spawn's mask?
They don't look like Luchador masks lol.

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Only the visual look. Bane's back story is fine the way it is. I don't think we need him with his mask welded to his face because he's in constant agony.
Agreed. I like Bane's mask in TDKR. Other than that his comic counterpart is much more interesting. So I wouldn't mind if they'd replace his (somewhat silly) luchador mask with something more TDKR style - but this mask feeding him with Venom, of course. And they should leave his back story at is.

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Well going by this:

http://robot6.comicbookresources.com...e-dc-villains/

I could say TDKR's version of the villain has definitely pushed the character into new territories.

To be in a documentary that's about others such as Joker, Deathstroke and Lex Luthor...that's saying something.

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The Joker, Bane, Deathstroke, Darkseid and Lex Luthor -- the scariest and most menacing villains in DC Comics’ universe -- take center stage in a brand new full-length documentary from Warner Bros. Home Entertainment (WBHE) and DC Entertainment (DCE). The joint announcement was made today by WBHE and DCE.
But to the look...I wouldn't mind Bane being a more normal sized being as in TDKR with a more militant look to him...and maybe even a change of a mask, but if Venom is still used...that'd be perfectly fine as Venom is fine; I just didn't find it necessary with TDKR, imo.

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What if they make Venom something that can be inhaled in the comics one of these days? That could be a sort of nod to TDKR with Bane using a mask with those tubes infront of the mouth area.

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I think anything to do away with the giant tubes would be beneficial. It's just such an obvious glaring weakness.

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To the layman he's definitely moved up the proverbial rungs. In terms of what could reverberate into the comics; I think they would be remiss to not incorporate Nolan's look for the character. It is by far the best Bane has ever looked. And for me the backstory with the anesthetic is more interesting and thematically resonant than the venom. Bane is a character that is all about pain and power so it makes sense for him to have this pain himself and is, at his heart, a broken man himself who is not superior to Bruce like he thinks and how it might appear.

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I agree Bane's mask in TDKR is better. Something akin to that would be good to see. And the strong and intimidating muscle build, not the overly exaggerated kind of thing.

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I agree Bane's mask in TDKR is better. Something akin to that would be good to see. And the strong and intimidating muscle build, not the overly exaggerated kind of thing.
Am I the only one that hates that mask?

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Ok here's a follow up question, how many people do you all know who are now familiar with Bane since TDKR?

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Ok here's a follow up question, how many people do you all know who are now familiar with Bane since TDKR?
I can't say I know anyone who wasn't familiar with Bane beforehand, but I know some who only know of Bane from Batman & Robin and they thought that Bane was how Bane is.


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Ok here's a follow up question, how many people do you all know who are now familiar with Bane since TDKR?
People I know knew of Bane beforehand. Like Anno said, some just thought of Jeep Swenson's take and thought that was pretty much all he was.

From TDKR onwards, I'd like to see someone who is strong, smart, has military backing (men, vehicles and weapons) and executes the plan.

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Ok here's a follow up question, how many people do you all know who are now familiar with Bane since TDKR?
On both follow-ups, belated I know, I can say I only knew him for Knightfall originally, hence my stronger opinion of him than some pre-TDKR.

For the future, I hope to see him get the mask he has from TDKR and a similar costume (though not necessarily identical) in the comics. I think Bane's biggest weakness in the books has been his boring look. The pro-wrestler get-up is why so many write him off as a C-lister with a gimmick and never realize he is quite a brilliant tactician in his own right. I hope Nolan has remindd comic writers that Bane can be a genius if written that way.

That and the mask change will do away with the wrestler jokes. My thoughts.

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I think in terms of popularity at this point it'd be Joker, Catwoman, Two Face, Bane, Ra's Al Ghul, Scarecrow, Penguin, Riddler, Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy,

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Yeah, a lot of my casual fan friends were like "Bane!????" when he was announced as the villain. I had to calm them down and explain, lol.

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