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Old 07-22-2013, 06:30 AM   #1
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Default Batman Vs. Superman... can this be a fair physical fight?

Considering the Man of Steel sequel will officially have a physical fight between Superman and Batman... this thread is simply to discuss whether or not a fight between a new Batman and a Chris Nolan-inspired Man of Steel could realistically have a cinematic fight.

"Hey, Superman.... you can't just go around killing bad guys to save people's lives..."

Personally, I never thought this would work since I first saw Man of Steel on opening night. Since they're going with the whole "Nolan" realistic vibe, naturally, Superman would pulverize Batman in the first scene... wouldn't he?

Can they give Batman armor that could realistically deflect heat vision? Could Batman realistically take a punch from Superman, considering in Man of Steel a punch would send somebody through a building? I don't think any of this makes sense.

Batman's Powers:
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Anything a normal human in armor couldn't withstand, A powerful blow to the back.
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Flight, Ridiculous Super strength, X-Ray Vision, Laser Eyes, Super Speed, Countless other powers...
Superman's Weaknesses:

Adapting/Re-adapting from Earth to Kryptonian life, Kryptonite.

So... unless Batman uses his tech to make Kryponite boxing gloves.... how would he ever stand a chance?


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Old 07-22-2013, 08:13 AM   #2
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With the all-but-certain intro of Lex and now of Bruce/Batman, there's gonna be kryptonite involved. Odds are gonna change.

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Old 07-22-2013, 09:11 AM   #3
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With the all-but-certain intro of Lex and now of Bruce/Batman, there's gonna be kryptonite involved. Odds are gonna change.
It's going to be SUCH a cop-out if ends up being Batman with Kryptonite boxing gloves.... just sayin'.

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Old 07-22-2013, 10:01 AM   #4
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I'm gonna go with a red sun/ kryptonian atmosphere or conditions created artificially.

I don't want them to have a glowing green rock as I think that's going be cheesy in the world Snyder has created.

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Old 07-26-2013, 11:40 AM   #5
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I'm gonna go with a red sun/ kryptonian atmosphere or conditions created artificially.

I don't want them to have a glowing green rock as I think that's going be cheesy in the world Snyder has created.
What's cheesy about it? Kryptonite makes more sense than red sun radiation depowering him.

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Fights are at the mercy of the writer in an attempt to prolong the drama.

Wolverine has held his own against The Hulk.
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Spider-Mas has beaten Firelord (a Harald of Galactus).
There are relatively smaller gaps in power between them. Batman vs. Superman is more akin to Daredevil vs. the Hulk.

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Old 07-26-2013, 12:20 PM   #6
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What's cheesy about it? Kryptonite makes more sense than red sun radiation depowering him.
How does Kryptonite make any sense at all? Why would a radioactive piece of his home planet make him drop to his knees, or writhe in agony? At least with the red sun, the explanation is that you cut him off from his powers source, which is our yellow sun. And the reason it de-powers him, could be because the red sun radiation purges the yellow sun radiation from his cells.

But the red sun is not an issue anymore in MOS. And hopefully, neither will be Kryptonite. His body rejecting his home planet's atmosphere is a lot smarter, because his body never got the chance to adapt to Krypton's ecology.

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Old 07-22-2013, 10:03 AM   #7
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The whole 'batman vs superman' argument has always been stupid. Superman could crack him in half in a heartbeat, no questions asked. Unless of course Batman has kryptonite, which would be just as deadly to superman in the hands of my grandmother as it would be in batman's possession.

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The whole 'batman vs superman' argument has always been stupid. Superman could crack him in half in a heartbeat, no questions asked. Unless of course Batman has kryptonite, which would be just as deadly to superman in the hands of my grandmother as it would be in batman's possession.
The effects of Kryptonite were always inconsistent. Sometimes he can power through and still put up a fight against Metallo, who uses Kryptonite as a damn power source. Yet as soon as someone puts a Kryptonite Ring on the finger, it suddenly gives Superman a completely hard time.

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Old 07-22-2013, 10:35 PM   #9
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Well he could just slap a kryptonite ring on, like in Hush.

Of course, there is this.


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This shouldn't even be a versus fight. AngryJoe said it best here.

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Putting aside fan bias, in a straight up fight, Batman would have no chance.

People say Kryptonite is a cop out, but that, and the red sun, really are the only things that would give Batman a chance.

Ironically, depowered, Batman would probably kick this Superman's ass, since as far as I can tell, this Clark Kent has no proper martial arts training or experience (something the Kryptonian soldiers even make note of).

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This shouldn't even be a versus fight. AngryJoe said it best here.

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Agreed... That video explains it all, but it still can be a good scene if Batman is wearing a iron man like batsuit. This would make for an epic physical fight. If not it would be a quick end to Batman like in the new 52 comics when they first encounter each other. Or, show batman discovering that Superman is weak to Kyptonite and using that to get the upper hand.

Overall, a physical fight with Batman is not possible without an Iron Man like tech suit that will enhance his strength and take in Superman's punch...

Don't forget MOS is base on real life standards so Batman has to obey by that standards too... For that reason no human will be able to take a hit from Superman or hurt him without matching sups power or weaken him.

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I have no problem with Batman having byzantine plans that can put a hurt on Supes. But a physical fight with Henry C.'s MOS Superman should be tabled. Batman can challenge Superman in a more character and personal way. It can be more dramatic than physical. I actually think it's a great idea to have Batman (and I hope) Luthor on screen with Superman. Both are examples of, as Brando's Jor-el said of humankind's "capacity" as it were. Both are driven and brilliant men in their own ways. One will become Clark's enemy and a threat to all he holds dear. The other is destined to be his greatest ally and a friend that proves to Clark that humanity is worth trusting and defending.

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Old 07-22-2013, 10:25 PM   #14
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Its why no kryptonite was used in MOS.

If they are to get into a fist fight TDK had better bring some kryptonite. It doesn't have to be much but enough to bring Superman's strength and power level down to that of lets say um Bane?

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the only way Batman might have any form of hope in a real full out fight with Superman where they are both trying to kill each other would be if Batman has Kryptonite.

Thats something alot of you guys have been saying, but you forget one very important fact here, THERE IS NO KRYPTONITE YET!! Goyer and Snyder have confirmed that Kryptonite is not on Earth and Goyer confirmed that the sequel takes place immediately after Man Of Steel, so there is still no Kryptonite, might show it landing on Earth but its highly unlikely that anyone will figure out that its deadly to Superman right off the bat like Lex Luthor magically did in Superman: The Movie.

I think Batman will confuse Superman more by tricking him with his ninja techniques, like how he can actually hide from Superman even with all of Supe's powers and such, but they wont duke it out, Batman would easily lose like that and that would be boring.

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the only way Batman might have any form of hope in a real full out fight with Superman where they are both trying to kill each other would be if Batman has Kryptonite.

Thats something alot of you guys have been saying, but you forget one very important fact here, THERE IS NO KRYPTONITE YET!! Goyer and Snyder have confirmed that Kryptonite is not on Earth and Goyer confirmed that the sequel takes place immediately after Man Of Steel, so there is still no Kryptonite, might show it landing on Earth but its highly unlikely that anyone will figure out that its deadly to Superman right off the bat like Lex Luthor magically did in Superman: The Movie.

I think Batman will confuse Superman more by tricking him with his ninja techniques, like how he can actually hide from Superman even with all of Supe's powers and such, but they wont duke it out, Batman would easily lose like that and that would be boring.
I missed these. Linkage, please?

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I missed these. Linkage, please?
Kryptonite talk (sry, it was Snyder who said it, not Goyer)

http://screenrant.com/superman-man-o...no-kryptonite/

http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/supe...and-lex-luthor

As for Goyer confirming about when the sequel takes place, I cant find the original source, but its one of his interviews where the interviewer asks him about how Superman deals with killing Zod and what not, he basically said that the follow up happens right after that point so we will see Superman come to terms with what he's done and so on, I'll keep looking for it, pretty sure it was a Deadline article.



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Joe made very good points, why Superman would defeat Batman like 7 times out of ten. And the 2 out of 3 in Batman's favor, would be a standstill. Everyone says Batman is a genius, he has prep-time, and tons of gadgets. Yeah, all things that Superman apparently suddenly doesn't have, whenever he fights Batman. He's suddenly as dumb as any run of the mill thug, he is never prepared and just gets thrown into the fight, and all those weapons, gadgets and gear at his fortress of Solitude? They don't exist.

Everything gets written in Batman's favor, while Superman apparently just stands around with his thumb firmly lodged up his ass, waiting for Batman to make his Move.

lol, thats thanks to Frank Miller and Bruce Timm and their "Bat-GOD"......gotta love it.....

It also just plain wouldn't make sense for them to fight in a death match right at their introduction, a small fight sure, maybe Batman is in Metropolis going threw the Kryptonian debris and Superman shows up to....I dont know, clean that stuff up, confronts Batman who maybe takes some Kryptonian tech and what not so that's their fight......that kind of situation is the only way I see them actually fighting which would result in a stand still or Superman letting Batman to go for some reason.

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Superman has already defeated stronger and smarter opponents that used Kryptonite. Stronger, Metallo. Smarter, Lex Luthor. Batman only wins or fights Superman to a standstill, when literally everything is written in Batman's favor, Superman holds back, and also suddenly is an idiot.

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I'm a bigger Batman fan than a Superman fan, but really, objectively speaking, Superman > Batman. He's not only as smart as Batman (if perhaps not as cunning), but he's basically a demigod.

The only way Batman could win is with kryptonite, or by being underhanded (blackmailing Clark Kent).

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Superman has already defeated stronger and smarter opponents that used Kryptonite. Stronger, Metallo. Smarter, Lex Luthor. Batman only wins or fights Superman to a standstill, when literally everything is written in Batman's favor, Superman holds back, and also suddenly is an idiot.
I really do hate it when they nerf Superman like that. He is not a stooge. For god's sake he's fought beings with 12th level intelligence ie Brainiac.

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only in a situation like in their fight in red son i think. i don't remember how it went exactly though.

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Superman has already defeated stronger and smarter opponents that used Kryptonite. Stronger, Metallo. Smarter, Lex Luthor. Batman only wins or fights Superman to a standstill, when literally everything is written in Batman's favor, Superman holds back, and also suddenly is an idiot.
I've said before that how Superman and Batman fight each other depends on how it's written. You can see writers liking Batman more than Superman thus resulting in Batman defeating Superman.

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I'll put it this way, in a fair fight, hell no. But if Batman is willing to fight dirty, he could certainly win.

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Superman has already defeated stronger and smarter opponents that used Kryptonite. Stronger, Metallo. Smarter, Lex Luthor. Batman only wins or fights Superman to a standstill, when literally everything is written in Batman's favor, Superman holds back, and also suddenly is an idiot.
Smarter than Batman in DCU? hmmm

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Smarter than Batman in DCU? hmmm
Superman himself is actually "smarter" then Bruce, among many others.

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