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Old 07-22-2013, 06:34 PM   #1
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Default Is anyone else not excited about Superman and Batman? I feel nothing but dread.

No i'm not trying to be edgy or go against the current here. But this movie already has two kisses of death by the names of Goyer and Snyder. You've got David Goyer who's just proven spectacularly that he can't write his way outta a paper bag, and Zack Snyder the guy who wrote Sucker Punch. I enjoyed Man of Steel, but i'll admit it did have some glaring problems in terms of it's story.

I'm sorry but these guys have not proven themselves worthy at all. If I were a studio exec, I wouldn't trust these guys with a project of this caliber.

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The thing is, most studio execs don't think bout what makes good movies, they think about what's the best guarantee to make money in the short term. Man of Steel made a lot of money, so they keep the creative team.


And yeah, I'm not thrilled. Team up films are super hard, and I don't think Goyer or Snyder have the chops to make it work.

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Old 07-22-2013, 06:42 PM   #3
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The thing is, most studio execs don't think bout what makes good movies, they think about what's the best guarantee to make money in the short term. Man of Steel made a lot of money, so they keep the creative team.


And yeah, I'm not thrilled. Team up films are super hard, and I don't think Goyer or Snyder have the chops to make it work.
It immediately sounds like they're taking it in the wrong direction, which is a Versus movie. I get that there would probably be some tension between the two during a first meeting, but having the two fight shouldn't be a main focus of the movie.

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It immediately sounds like they're taking it in the wrong direction, which is a Versus movie. I get that there would probably be some tension between the two during a first meeting, but having the two fight shouldn't be a main focus of the movie.
It won't be that way. But they will sell it that way. Doesn't make it any better.

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It immediately sounds like they're taking it in the wrong direction, which is a Versus movie. I get that there would probably be some tension between the two during a first meeting, but having the two fight shouldn't be a main focus of the movie.
Agreed, it should not be a versus movie. Both of them should be fighting against the overarching villain aka Lex Luthor/insert Batman villain here. On top of that there's A LOT of stuff in MOS that needs to be addressed. AngryJoe said it best here.

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That said, I'm also not opposed to idea that they could portray Batman as an actual villain of the movie to Superman, who I hope will remain as the main focus as JeremyJahns said.

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I like the idea of doing something new to already familiar and milked characters like Batman. Am I not the only one who is not excited by the idea of the same old Batman we've seen in the past? Be it comics, video games and past movies?

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Agreed, it should not be a versus movie. Both of them should be fighting against the overarching villain aka Lex Luthor/insert Batman villain here. On top of that there's A LOT of stuff in MOS that needs to be addressed. AngryJoe said it best here.



That said, I'm also not opposed to idea that they could portray Batman as an actual villain of the movie to Superman, who I hope will remain as the main focus as JeremyJahns said.
The fact that it will be marketed as a versus movie will get a s**tload of people excited for it. The chance to not only see a legendary team-up, but a legendary showdown too?! Give me my ticket NOW.

I really don't see them portraying Batman as the antagonist for WF.

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We have to wait a confimation about the fact that this movie is MOS 2 or not. But in my mind, this is the way that DC goes to not repeat the Marvel process :
There's no multiple franchise, just one for the entire universe with a logical first step of Superman being the first superhero (like a nod to the comics history in a way). There's a natural progression from his coming to the repercussions (Batman's interest for him) until the creation of the League. Basically, this is the "phase one".
The second will certainly be the starts from the solo franchises.
Just my opinion, but to me, it makes sens.

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The fact that it will be marketed as a versus movie will get a s**tload of people excited for it. The chance to not only see a legendary team-up, but a legendary showdown too?! Give me my ticket NOW.

I really don't see them portraying Batman as the antagonist for WF.
I can understand the appeal of a fight, but it shouldn't be the main focus, Lex Luthor's the bad guy here. It's probably the title bothering me.

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Couldn't this have been discussed in the numerous World's Finest threads splattered throughout this site? This didn't need a new thread.

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yeah, we really don't need more threads on this. however, just to speak my mind, all we have is a title for a movie that likely doesn't have a finished script, a quote from DKR that according to Snyder doesn't say anything about the plot, and a very early logo design, and word that snyder and goyer are working on the script (and being this early on, that could change as well). I think it's far too early to be a drama queen and say you feel nothing but dread. It's much more fun to be excited, and since all we really know for certain is that we're getting a MOS sequel that Batman will have an as yet unknown level of involvement in, I see no reason to jump to conclusions, a batman/superman movie has been a long time coming, and since we've seen nil so far, even though I would've preferred another MOS solo film before this, a batman/superman movie is filled to the brim with potential, and I'm gonna choose to be happy at this point, because choosing to get upset when so little is known, is just silly.

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Couldn't this have been discussed in the numerous World's Finest threads splattered throughout this site? This didn't need a new thread.
They really need to make a board for WF, because I don't know where the main discussion is taking place.

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They really need to make a board for WF, because I don't know where the main discussion is taking place.
How about in Superman Sequels.... you know.... where the talk of the sequels for MoS take place at...

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How about in Superman Sequels.... you know.... where the talk of the sequels for MoS take place at...
LOL, I keep checking there but there isn't a "main discussion" thread. It's just Batman casting and villain polls.

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LOL, I keep checking there but there isn't a "main discussion" thread. It's just Batman casting and villain polls.
Everyone is hanging in the Sticky: All Things Superman: An Open Discussion (Spoilers) right now

We just need to get the ball rolling for the new film is all

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They really need to make a board for WF, because I don't know where the main discussion is taking place.
But they are saying this Batman/Superman movie IS MOS2!
It is not world's finest, it is a Superman movie with Batman in it!
And Batman is just going to be a "single element" in it.
So he will have an itty bitty part.

Didn't you get the memo?

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But they are saying this Batman/Superman movie IS MOS2!
It is not world's finest, it is a Superman movie with Batman in it!
And Batman is just going to be a "single element" in it.
So he will have an itty bitty part.

Didn't you get the memo?
But some people are saying it's a team up movie. I probably missed something. Comic-Con was overwhelming.

Batman with an itty bitty part?

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But they are saying this Batman/Superman movie IS MOS2!
It is not world's finest, it is a Superman movie with Batman in it!
And Batman is just going to be a "single element" in it.
So he will have an itty bitty part.

Didn't you get the memo?
I missed the part where the size of batman's role was made clear, as much as I think that's how it will play out (though I think batman will be a little more than an "itty bitty part") we do not have much to go on, all the conclusion jumping going on on this board is ridiculous.

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I missed the part where the size of batman's role was made clear, as much as I think that's how it will play out (though I think batman will be a little more than an "itty bitty part") we do not have much to go on, all the conclusion jumping going on on this board is ridiculous.
It's happening on TA2 board as well. It's what happens when fans are hit with something unexpected.

I'm not upset about the inclusion of Batman, I'm just sceptical. My reaction to the announcement was mixed/neutral.

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Couldn't this have been discussed in the numerous World's Finest threads splattered throughout this site? This didn't need a new thread.
Seriously, how many threads on this do we need?

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Seriously, how many threads on this do we need?
^ This. I'm starting to not know my way around or where I'm posting at anymore whatsoever, lol. Anyway, I don't dread it at all. I'm actually stoked. I just hope they stay true to Supes and allow this to be HIS movie first and foremost. I'm confident about that.

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^ This. I'm starting to not know my way around or where I'm posting at anymore whatsoever, lol. Anyway, I don't dread it at all. I'm actually stoked. I just hope they stay true to Supes and allow this to be HIS movie first and foremost. I'm confident about that.
With a movie title Batman vs. Superman or Superman vs. Batman I don't see this being mostly focused on Superman anymore.

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With a movie title Batman vs. Superman or Superman vs. Batman I don't see this being mostly focused on Superman anymore.
The movie title wasn't announced. What exactly are we going to go by for focusing on Batman? MOS's entire cast is returning and this Batman is ALL new. He's just being introduced. There will be confrontation between the too, obviously (they aren't going to just put on boxing gloves and fight for 2 hours) but this is still Superman's world and sequel to the aftermath of MOS. Bruce is stepping into Supes's universe, not the other way around.

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^ This. I'm starting to not know my way around or where I'm posting at anymore whatsoever, lol. Anyway, I don't dread it at all. I'm actually stoked. I just hope they stay true to Supes and allow this to be HIS movie first and foremost. I'm confident about that.
Including Batman sounds like a serious departure from the concept of allowing this to be Superman's movie first and foremost.

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Including Batman sounds like a serious departure from the concept of allowing this to be Superman's movie first and foremost.
If Henry Cavill, Amy Adams, Laurence Fishbourne, Diane Lane and I would think Henry Lennix all returning for this movie, where is there going to be time to shortchange Superman, let alone the countless number of Lex-Corpe logos, which means Lex ill probably be fleshed out as the main villain?

This isn't going to be a Batman origin story in this sequel. I think we'll see Bruce Wayne introduced and somehow be implemented into the story, whether it be a straight businessman coinciding first-hand with Lex or a secondary character before the big confrontation between the two Worlds Finest but I don't think nothing in Superman's world is going to be scrapped whatsoever. We will be getting the continuation of Supe's aftermath fleshed out as we would from a solo MOS sequel, but with Batman written in to combat and confront Supes in one form or another.

I'm just going by my gut and common sense as to how the announcement was made and how they will make it work. Some people think this is just going to be a Superman VS Batman movie with WB scrapping all that they came up with for MOS. That's defiantly not the case. Atleast not in how I'm reading all of it.

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I'm worried about a new Batman being shoehorned into a Superman movie. First time we see the actor in the role, a new suit, and possibly a new Gotham, in a Superman film.

This is probably not the best way to go about it.

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