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Old 07-26-2013, 10:46 PM   #1
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Th Cool The Cure from X Men The Last Stand: mentioned in Wolverine...

It would have been nice if they had mentioned 'The Cure' from X3 at some point, seeing as how this takes place after that.

Logan wanted mortality...or so that was the theme of the movie; the cure from X3 would have made him mortal.

There could have been a scene where Yashida mentions that he was worried that Logan might have taken the cure before he got a chance to extract his abilities, or something..i think the film makers missed a great opportunity here as the two films tie into each other nicely...

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Old 07-26-2013, 10:57 PM   #2
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I thought it was all but assured that the "cure" didn't work after all? At least a mention of its failure or partial success would really help I'm sure we'll get that next year

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I thought it was all but assured that the "cure" didn't work after all? At least a mention of its failure or partial success would really help I'm sure we'll get that next year
Maybe, they could have put it in the scene where he's talking to Yashida on his "death" bed

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I don't think Wolverine wanted mortality, he didn't even say yes to Yashida.

Yashida was just using Wolverine's loneliness so he could get Wolverine's healing powers.

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Wolverine didn't want to give up his healing power, and he didn't want to die. He had retreated because he didn't want to hurt anyone else again, and he thought he could do that by becoming a recluse and keeping himself from getting close to anyone again.

He flat-out refused Yashida's offer, so it's not what he wanted.

The cure doesn't work anyway, so there was no reason for him to seek it even if he wanted to.

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Old 07-26-2013, 11:42 PM   #6
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The cure would have been useless to be mentioned in this movie. There was no need to even acknowledge it.

Logans healing factor makes him immune to the cure. "What i am...cant be undone."

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Old 07-27-2013, 08:08 AM   #7
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the end credits scene showed very clearly that the cure didn't work...

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the end credits scene showed very clearly that the cure didn't work...
Yeah that's pretty spot on actually

I wonder if its one thing that does work for lower level mutants but not forever on class 5 mutants

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He didn't seem "too" freaked out by Mag's having his powers back so I just assumed that it was commonly known that it wasn't a permanent deal, hence why it want brought up.

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He didn't seem "too" freaked out by Mag's having his powers back so I just assumed that it was commonly known that it wasn't a permanent deal, hence why it want brought up.
It was already shown in X3 that the cure didn't work that long for Magneto.

And a 2-minute mid-credits scene is not the right time to mention that the cure didn't work.

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I don't understand why they still try to make X3 canon, to be frank; there was a real opportunity in The Wolverine and DOFP to at least ignore the events from X3, but instead they still acknowledge that train wreck of a movie. Seems to me that it is a bad decision-making from the creative team.
Ehhh since when it became a rule/trend to ignore the bad movies. It only happened to Superman Returns and look what happened to the film.

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My thing is, the cure would have been big news around the time that The Wolverine takes placing seeing as how it takes place a mere year after X-Men 3. The fact that nobody so much as mentions it whether it worked on some, or failed across the board, is a missed opportunity in my opinion.

The Post credit is scene is really not part of The Wolverine, and takes place 3 years after X3, so by then, the fate of the cure would have been public knowledge to everyone including Wolverine, hence him not being surprised to see Magneto with his powers back.

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My thing is, the cure would have been big news around the time that The Wolverine takes placing seeing as how it takes place a mere year after X-Men 3. The fact that nobody so much as mentions it whether it worked on some, or failed across the board, is a missed opportunity in my opinion.

The Post credit is scene is really not part of The Wolverine, and takes place 3 years after X3, so by then, the fate of the cure would have been public knowledge to everyone including Wolverine, hence him not being surprised to see Magneto with his powers back.
Maybe other than Jean's death they just wanted to stray away from X3 seen as though its not well liked unlike the first two X films or First Class.

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Well the post credit scene in Wolverine, seeing you know who back in his body, also confirms that X3 is still canon - even the post credit scene from X3 is now solidified- that many were claiming wasn't canon.

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Well the post credit scene in Wolverine, seeing you know who back in his body, also confirms that X3 is still canon - even the post credit scene from X3 is now solidified- that many were claiming wasn't canon.
Ahh but that post credits scene in X3 doesn't show Xavier back in his own body it's a different one.

All I meant was they may have purposeful not stuck close the certain themes if X3 in order to distance themselves.

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Ahh but that post credits scene in X3 doesn't show Xavier back in his own body it's a different one.

All I meant was they may have purposeful not stuck close the certain themes if X3 in order to distance themselves.
I've long believed that the X3 post credits scene was well crafted. Xavier is talking about a man born with no brain activity, no consciousness, so he asks about the ethics in regards to that and what he could do. Moira is a geneticist in the comics.

Personally, I think they were intentionally setting it up that they had cloned Xavier and it was basically a back up for him to transfer his consciousness to in case something happened. Cloned by Moira and Xavier kept the mind from developing so it was a blank slate.

Little out there and sci-fi-ish but fits pretty well for comic book standards.

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I've long believed that the X3 post credits scene was well crafted. Xavier is talking about a man born with no brain activity, no consciousness, so he asks about the ethics in regards to that and what he could do. Moira is a geneticist in the comics.

Personally, I think they were intentionally setting it up that they had cloned Xavier and it was basically a back up for him to transfer his consciousness to in case something happened. Cloned by Moira and Xavier kept the mind from developing so it was a blank slate.

Little out there and sci-fi-ish but fits pretty well for comic book standards.
Be nice if they explained that a little in DOFP though otherwise it's all just assumption

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Well the post credit scene in Wolverine, seeing you know who back in his body, also confirms that X3 is still canon - even the post credit scene from X3 is now solidified- that many were claiming wasn't canon.
I don't understand why they still try to make X3 canon, to be frank; there was a real opportunity in The Wolverine and DOFP to at least ignore the events from X3, but instead they still acknowledge that train wreck of a movie. Seems to me that it is a bad decision-making from the creative team.

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Well the body is essentially his brain dead identical twin, no it's not his own body, but they look alike. If they are going with this in DOFP, i'm curious how they explain why his twins body is also paralyzed from the waist down.

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Well the body is essentially his brain dead identical twin, no it's not his own body, but they look alike. If they are going with this in DOFP, i'm curious how they explain why his twins body is also paralyzed from the waist down.
Where did they say it was his identical twin? I really don't remember.

I might have Togo back and watch the 3rd one if they do mention that.

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Where did they say it was his identical twin? I really don't remember.

I might have Togo back and watch the 3rd one if they do mention that.
It's only discussed in the commentary. All we know from the film is that the guy sounds like Stewart and we somewhat conspicuously don't get a close-up. Also it's been said that the scene was shot with Stewart in the bed.

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Well the body is essentially his brain dead identical twin, no it's not his own body, but they look alike. If they are going with this in DOFP, i'm curious how they explain why his twins body is also paralyzed from the waist down.
that body was laying in bed for 70 years...

this isn't willy wonka, he's isn't going to just jump out of bed and start dancing around lol

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There's no reason to bring it up. Wolverine doesn't want a cure, and the person who wants his healing factor wants it for himself. It has nothing to do with the cure introduced in X3. There was no reason to bring it up.

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Yes, but Yashida, as mentioned, was obsessed with mutants. The cure would have been big news concerning mutants and world affairs, whether it worked or not around the events of The Wolverine. Considering Viper worked for him and she was a scientist mentioning it would have only been plausible.

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There's no reason to mention it. It had nothing to do with the story.

The cure would have taken away Logan's healing factor. It would be gone (if it worked) for good. Yashida didn't want Logan to take a cure to make his healing factor go away, he wanted Logan to give the healing factor to him so he wouldn't die.

Logan didn't want a cure. He wasn't looking for one, and where he has at the start of the film had nothing to do with the cure.

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There's no reason to mention it. It had nothing to do with the story.

The cure would have taken away Logan's healing factor. It would be gone (if it worked) for good. Yashida didn't want Logan to take a cure to make his healing factor go away, he wanted Logan to give the healing factor to him so he wouldn't die.

Logan didn't want a cure. He wasn't looking for one, and where he has at the start of the film had nothing to do with the cure.
That's exactly whey they should have mentioned the cure; they had been looking for Logan a year. The Wolverine takes place one year after the events of X3. That means they started looking for Logan around the time the cure was big news.

There's obviously a connection there.

The reason they probably start looking for him at that point and not sooner was because Yashida probably feared that he may loose the chance to get Logans powers because Yashida, at that point had no idea, if Logan had taken the cure or not and was scared he may have lost the opportunity to acquire his life long ambition of achieving immortality.

His search for Logan at that point was probably spurred on by the wide spread media coverage of mutants becoming human, thanks to the cure.

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