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View Poll Results: What is the bar of success for Superman/ Batman at the WW box office?
$600- 699 M (The level at which a $200 M film profits) 2 2.44%
$700-799 M 6 7.32%
$800-899 M 13 15.85%
$900-999 M 8 9.76%
Over $1 Billion 27 32.93%
Bigger Than The Dark Knight Rises (Highest grossing DC film) 12 14.63%
Bigger Than The Avengers (Biggest Superhero movie ever) 13 15.85%
Bigger Than Titanic (#2 film ever) 1 1.22%
Bigger Than Avatar (#1 film ever) 0 0%
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Old 12-12-2013, 01:21 PM   #1
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Default The box office "bar of success" for Batman/ Superman.

What is it? Personally I don't think this has to be an Avengers slayer, but the combination of Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman not out-grossing the highest grossing Batman, beloved trilogy closer or not, would seem like a disappointment.

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Old 12-12-2013, 01:49 PM   #2
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Anything under a billion worldwide would rightfully be a huge disappointment.
I also think that it should outgross The Dark Knight Rises and ultimately the movie is so obviously designed to compete with The Avengers that it won't be considered a success unless it comes really close to its numbers. Wich would be 1,5 B WW.

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Old 12-18-2013, 02:00 PM   #3
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Anything under a billion worldwide would rightfully be a huge disappointment.
I also think that it should outgross The Dark Knight Rises and ultimately the movie is so obviously designed to compete with The Avengers that it won't be considered a success unless it comes really close to its numbers. Wich would be 1,5 B WW.




I don't understand the logic here. You say it's rightfully a huge disappointment if it doesn't reach 1B, then go on to say it won't be considered a success if it doesn't get close to 1.5B...

So hypothetically if the movie makes 1.1B, it's not technically a huge disappointment, yet not a success either? You're in for a rude awakening my friend... Just like the 1B-1.5B MOS predictors were. The movie did around 660M and it was still considered successful.

But for real, was this post sarcasm? Please tell me it was...

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Old 12-18-2013, 02:09 PM   #4
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But for real, was this post sarcasm? Please tell me it was...
The sad thing is this was real and I'm sure him/her meant it. *shakes head* I hope people truly realize that the film does not need to make a billion dollars to be considered financially successful. Yeah us DC fans would like it to be Avengers, but it doesn't have to be considered successful. I hope it does...but it doesn't have to.

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I've heard so many people talk about how Superman would kill Lois if they ever had sex, but I've never heard someone make this point before and it's brilliant. If Superman's bodily fluids are so dangerous, then he'd have to use a kryptonite toilet every time he takes a dump.
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Old 12-20-2013, 03:45 PM   #5
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I don't understand the logic here. You say it's rightfully a huge disappointment if it doesn't reach 1B, then go on to say it won't be considered a success if it doesn't get close to 1.5B...

So hypothetically if the movie makes 1.1B, it's not technically a huge disappointment, yet not a success either? You're in for a rude awakening my friend... Just like the 1B-1.5B MOS predictors were. The movie did around 660M and it was still considered successful.

But for real, was this post sarcasm? Please tell me it was...
The logic is quite simple.

The reason why WB decided to move forward with a Batman/Superman film (now a Batman/Superman/Wonder Woman film which is oddly shaping up as a Justice League 0 film) instead of a straight forward sequel to Man Of Steel is because they need a hit able to play (box-office wise) in the same league as The Avengers and while MoS numbers are strong (but probably in the lower range of their estimates) Superman isn't yet capable of competing against Marvel's juggernaut (or even against a solo Iron Man flick). They need a franchise able to produce billion dollar hits to replace Harry Potter and given that there is no genre trending higher today they decided to move forward with the biggest thing they could think of.

They are likely to spend a huge amount on this film and given that their former president already expected MoS to be the highest grossing film ever for the studio you can bet that they expect more than just a return on their investment. That doesn't mean that movie won't break even unless it makes 1 billion or more, it just means that they cannot reasonnably expect their first DC crossover, following a film which grossed higher than any Marvel film prior to The Avengers, featuring two of the most iconic characters ever, which will probably be one of the studios most expensive film ever, to gross less than the last Batman flick. It's a simple as that.

Batman/Superman or whatever the film is called needs to be a financial milestone for studio for a lot of reasons. That doesn't mean they necessarely need a record breaking film, but they need numbers to get back in the game because business wise the competition is kicking their ass even though WB probably has the strongest properties to work on.

Hence the idea that, even if it doesn't beat The Avengers (which I do agree is unlikely at this point), it needs to come close to its numbers.

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I would not be so bold as to say it's going to make a billion dollars. That...seems way too cocky.

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Old 12-12-2013, 02:11 PM   #7
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I would not be so bold as to say it's going to make a billion dollars. That...seems way too cocky.
EVERYONE will want to see Superman and Batman on the screen for the first time. This is making a billion$.

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EVERYONE will want to see Superman and Batman on the screen for the first time. This is making a billion$.
I certainly will like it too, but I dispute everyone will want to see Superman and Batman. There have been a lot of comic movies of late, and both characters have had different movies in the last few years. I don't know tbh. I hope it does, but I won't just say that it will. I do hope it does though.

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If these two can't beat Ant Man they may as well retire from the superhero business.

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I certainly will like it too, but I dispute everyone will want to see Superman and Batman. There have been a lot of comic movies of late, and both characters have had different movies in the last few years. I don't know tbh. I hope it does, but I won't just say that it will. I do hope it does though.
Not on the same screen though and that's what will get people interested. This could get the same criticism as MOS and still out perform it by miles simply by the fact that these two characters are on the same screen.

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Not on the same screen though and that's what will get people interested. This could get the same criticism as MOS and still out perform it by miles simply by the fact that these two characters are on the same screen.
I do hope so and you could very well be right. I don't feel as confident about that number though. Lots of variables and other factors could make that not feasible. Also, I just wouldn't want to predict that because I think that gives others some sort of benchmark to what makes this film successful. I don't even think it needs to do a billion dollars to be a good or successful movie.

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I think the bar is $1 billion. I expect it to do as much as MoS strictly on curiosity. The rest would be based on how good the marketing is.

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Based on the way studios try to outdo each other and open films the same day or week as other films, I'm going to say that between 800 and 899 million is the goal they should be shooting for. I might change my mind once I see the trailer, and go higher.

The GA might be more forgiving than comic book fans, but if too many comic books whine about how much the film deviates from their own personal taste, I can promise you that the bad word of mouth will tank the film.

So really, a lot of the success of the film relies on word of mouth. If people would cease with their whining about every single teeny detail that they don't care for, it would probably push the film over a billion.

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I think it needs to:

1) Outgross Man of Steel, even after the inflation correction;
2) Be in the top 5 highest grossing movies of the year;

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I think it needs to:

1) Outgross Man of Steel, even after the inflation correction;
2) Be in the top 5 highest grossing movies of the year;
Keeping in mind being in the top five in 2015 is going to be harder than pretty much any year prior.

Avengers 2
Star Wars VII
James Bond 24
Independence Day 2
Ant Man

I have faith Batman/Superman can do it. i don't know if it'll be the number 1 of the year, but I think it has a good chance of being second or third.

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Keeping in mind being in the top five in 2015 is going to be harder than pretty much any year prior.

Avengers 2
Star Wars VII
James Bond 24
Independence Day 2
Ant Man


I have faith Batman/Superman can do it. i don't know if it'll be the number 1 of the year, but I think it has a good chance of being second or third.
Lol those two would be lucky to break 400 mil

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This film is so hard to read. Is this a MoS sequel? Is this a Dark Knight sequel? Is this an original film?

I think you have to use MoS as the bar of success, so I chose 700-800M as the success line. It's really hard to read other than that. WB has not done a good job selling this and the whole thing seems forced. Affleck's biggest B.O. films were over 10 years ago with Pearl Harbor and Armageddon.

There will be the curiosity factor that will be in it's favor, so I see a potential big opening, but a lot is going to depend on the reviews. Snyder has not been associated with quality films or being a good director, I don't know how much slack he's going to get, and Goyer's MoS script was horrible, he absolutely has to do better with this, and he needs serious help.

If the films opens the same or less than MoS then the film will be seen as a disappointment.

It does not have to match Avengers, or even be a billion dollar film.

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I think it depends alot on the reviews.

The first week will guarantee about 250 - 400.

But if this thing starts getting bad press and a horrible metacritic and tomatometer I think it'll affect the box office dramatically.

It needs the reviews to guarantee staying power.

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I just want a good film! The rest is gravy and biscuits.

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Everyone do yourselves a favour. Don't bother having a bar of success.

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it should make atleast a billion dollars. it's superman and batman for f' sake.

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It depends on who's "bar of success" we're talking about.

I think WB wants a billion and that's why they're throwing these other heroes in there instead of making a Superman sequel.

I just want it to make enough money that WB considers making some Superman sequels after this.

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Depends on the budget, but my guess is, if it doesn't break a billion dollars, WB will view it as a disappointment. They, from their own perspective, have pulled out all the stops to make it a hit, as far as adding Batman to it goes. Whatever degree their expectations for a Batman reboot might be tempered by the challenges reboots face, are probably counterbalanced by their expectations for Superman drawing an audience.

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