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I can't wait for the next episode. rewatching all 12 episodes right now and most of them are great.

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Retcons happen all the time in comics, and that way everybody gets a version of Mandarin they like.
You'd still have your Killian Mandarin which you enjoyed, and those of us who didn't like it will have an alternative.
In fact I see a lot of potential in it. Imagine a Killian that survived the explosion having to face another Mandarin that is seeking revenge for having his name used as an escape goat, with the heroes stuck in the middle.
But there's absolutely no hint that a "real" Mandarin even exists. Or *has* existed for some time now.

I'll go back to the Assassins analogy. The Assassins were an ancient order of what we'd call terrorists today. They received orders from a legendary leader, The Old Man of the Mountain. Over the centuries, the order fell apart. Today, there may still be those who claim to be genuine Assassins, but there's certainly no one claiming to be the Old Man of the Mountain, and no indication that there's any kind of organization to whatever Assassins remain in the Middle East today.

I liken Ten Rings and The Mandarin to that same situation. There likely hasn't been a "Mandarin" for years, maybe even centuries; but the history is there, and that's where Killian concocted his story from to give it some authenticity. But had there been a real Mandarin operating, he would have shut down Killian's subterfuge immediately. It wouldn't have been allowed to continue past the first fake bombing.

That being said: never say never. There *is* a way I could see a "real" Mandarin emerge; but it would be either a new guy emerging in response to Killian and Trevor....

....Or. A real ancient Mandarin, coming back from the distant past (or even the grave) to exact revenge on this blasphemy against his name. That's the route they took in the Iron Man DVD....Mandarin was actually an ancient ghost/mummy, and his powers were supernatural in origin. I'd be okay with that route; but I'm sure a lot of the nuts-n-bolts fans here who seem to fear and/or despise all things magical in the MCU would be just as resistant to this new "Mandarin twist" as the one we got before.

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....Or. A real ancient Mandarin, coming back from the distant past (or even the grave) to exact revenge on this blasphemy against his name... his powers were supernatural in origin. I'd be okay with that route; but I'm sure a lot of the nuts-n-bolts fans here who seem to fear and/or despise all things magical in the MCU would be just as resistant to this new "Mandarin twist" as the one we got before.
I'd be okay with that route too. Magic is going to come into the forefront in the MCU. It's going to happen because we know Dr Strange is coming. They might call it super science like they've done up until now, but it will be magic. Some people will have a problem will that, and that's okay. Just like it's okay that I don't like the current Mandarin twist yet I was still able to enjoy IM3 enough to watch it 3 times at the theater. What is not okay is to want to ridicule those that want something different, especially when it's something that's backed by the rich history which these movies are based off.

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@Jasper_CH I have now. And one thing I know for sure: nobody's going to be apologizing for the Mandarin twist any time soon.




There you go, everyone. They aint retconning it. For God sake...

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@Jasper_CH I have now. And one thing I know for sure: nobody's going to be apologizing for the Mandarin twist any time soon.




There you go, everyone. They aint retconning it. For God sake...
and yet they also said "Those who were upset with the twist won't be disappointed"

so... while on the surface that may sound conflicting, It doesn't mean there's not another twist to it. You can still "change" something, and not be sorry for the way it played out in the film anyway.. that's not apologizing, especially if it was in the cards all along.

we just have to wait an see. Neither side should jump to conclusions.

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Fun fact, if you google "Those who were upset won't be disappointed" the top three links are about Iron Man 3.

Regardless, this show, Agents of SHIELD isn't very good to me. I followed it, I like parts about it, and every so often something cool peeks out, but in the end, every time I see it, I keep thinking of how much better it could have been with a different angle, a different cast. And this repeated need to cast Coulson into a Jack Bauer-esque figure just rings so very false to me. Before it was just okay, but that immense amount of wasted potential just reeks to me. They had so much goodwill from Avengers and Item 47, they could have made something truly awesome, and all they gave us was... Team Coulson. I expected better.

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have you seen the last couple of episodes?
I have, I was not overly impressed, they just weren't 'bad.' Part of the issue is that I kept watching the show with my roommate even when I was sorely disappointed with it, so I actually resent the show and its numerous missed opportunities now. I'm glad others are happy with the superhero cameos coming up, but I can't seem to get excited about it. To me, that's the very least they could have done with this show, and it's still built on a shoddy foundation.

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Again... go listen to interviews and they all say the same thing -- the first x number os episodes were episodic with a focus on establishing the normalities of SHIELD and their world, establish some mysteries and the characters. Then i's gonna switch and it's going to explore superheroes, the Marvel universe, answer questions, and be more arching in storytelling.

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I am hype : "We found out what Tahiti was -- or lack thereof -- but we didn't know why. Why is it a huge secret?" Bennet asks. "There's a couple big question marks. There's: What am I? Where am I from? Why the f*** are they not telling Coulson why he died? And then there's: Who's the Clairvoyant? Who's the head of Centipede? What is happening? Basically starting next episode, it's bam bam bam bam bam from here on, so it will be a lot of answers and a lot of drama."
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Ultimately they can always introduce a new character that will better reflect the comic version of Mandarin.I believe it'll happen eventually,if not right away.As it stands now,the Ten Rings subplot of the Iron Man series is more than murky.

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I see no reason for that. we got a pretty accurate depiction of the Mandarin already, no need to give in because a handful of people are whining.

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I see no reason for that. we got a pretty accurate depiction of the Mandarin already, no need to give in because a handful of people are whining.
No need at all. Iron Man 3 was a rousing success. Killian was the Mandarin. The End.

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I see no reason for that. we got a pretty accurate depiction of the Mandarin already, no need to give in because a handful of people are whining.
A pretty white guy that doesn't wear the rings,wears suits and......


has dragon tattoos.



They could always try again for an accurate version.But I'm sure that won't be until phase 5 at least.RDJ probably won't be involved by then,either.

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A pretty white guy that doesn't wear the rings,wears suits and......


has dragon tattoos.
Also a brilliant, narcissistic corporate CEO and terrorist kingpin who was motivated by a sense of entitlement for all the things he perceived as having been denied to him by those in power, who justified his crimes through a philosophy of social darwinism, and who built his empire and battled his foes using a power source that he did not create but instead took for himself upon discovering it and makes him a physical match for Iron Man without requiring a suit of his own.

In all the ways that the character is defined as a character, he was a completely accurate adaptation of The Mandarin.

There were differences, but they were the same kind of differences between Comics Ra's Al Ghul and Batman Begins Ra's Al Ghul. All surface. The substance remained.

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I was pissed there was no episode last Tuesday.

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Man LokiD went on some kinda ranting before the past thread ended. 10,000 word Mandarin essay with no conclusion lol.

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Notice that no one denies it might be the Mandarin in WT's gif. He even looks like an archaeologist.

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I agree with the above that what we got was very satisfying to me and there's no need to change or add anything to the Mandarin storyline. But for some reason I've always felt like there was something above Killian, something other than Tony standing him up that influence his evil.. But I'm okay with what we got as well.

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