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DCAU 17 54.84%
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Old 02-15-2014, 12:30 PM   #1
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What's your favourite version of Ra's outside of the comics?

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Old 02-16-2014, 12:48 AM   #2
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I'm not going to pick a favorite but I really love Nolan's version. Liam Neeson just has an innate authority and presence and the way the immortality was modified in the context of legacy and using theatricality to seem more than a man was genius, especially in the frame of Dark Knight Rises with Bane and Talia carrying the torch and keeping him alive in a way. The way this influences and mirrors Bruce's creation and perpetuity of Batman is so thematically resonant. I think you could even go as far as to say that Ra's Al Ghul was a persona either invented or appropriated by Henri Ducard in his command of the League to battle crime. A lot like Keyser Soze. Existing somewhere between myth and man.

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Wouldn't this have been better in the Begins forum? TDK had no Ra's in it at all.

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Old 02-16-2014, 08:43 AM   #4
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Wouldn't this have been better in the Begins forum? TDK had no Ra's in it at all.
There were so many different Batman forums I didn't know which one to put it in lol

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Try starting with the ones that actually have Ras in it..

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Try starting with the ones that actually have Ras in it..
Ra's is indirectly quoted by Bruce in Knight and the thematic through-lines of Batman being a symbol larger than a man, first brought up by Ra's, carry over from Begins.

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Try starting with the ones that actually have Ras in it..
You mean all of them?

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Honestly, I feel that the Nolan Ra's is a little flat. Sure, the spirit is there from his desire to eradicate decadence for the greater good and his leadership of trained assassins, but aside from that, he's just a typical movie bad guy; nothing really spectacular about Neeson's performance and the character is nothing to rave about.

My favorite has always been the DCAU version, because that voice is just perfect. Every other animated Ra's pales in comparison.

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Honestly, I feel that the Nolan Ra's is a little flat. Sure, the spirit is there from his desire to eradicate decadence for the greater good and his leadership of trained assassins, but aside from that, he's just a typical movie bad guy; nothing really spectacular about Neeson's performance and the character is nothing to rave about.

My favorite has always been the DCAU version, because that voice is just perfect. Every other animated Ra's pales in comparison.
I did love whenever he said 'detective' lol

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Never been a fan of Ra's Al Ghul tbh. In the Nolan series, it was Liam Neeson being Liam Neeson (except a bad guy). I did like his portrayal in Arkham City.

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Never been a fan of Ra's Al Ghul tbh. In the Nolan series, it was Liam Neeson being Liam Neeson (except a bad guy). I did like his portrayal in Arkham City.
I thought he was so underrated and a great actor same way Cillian Murphy portrayed Jonothan Crane/Scarecrow.


I have to go with DCAU version of Ra's. Nolanverse portrayal second.

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I thought he was so underrated and a great actor same way Cillian Murphy portrayed Jonothan Crane/Scarecrow.


I have to go with DCAU version of Ra's. Nolanverse portrayal second.

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Never been a fan of Ra's Al Ghul tbh. In the Nolan series, it was Liam Neeson being Liam Neeson (except a bad guy).
Opinions like that always remind me of the whole 'Jack Nicholson was playing himself' in Batman '89.

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Opinions like that always remind me of the whole 'Jack Nicholson was playing himself' in Batman '89.
Wasn't he? lol

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DCAU by a longshot. David Warner man

Ninja Qui Gon was cool for what it was, Neeson is obviously a great actor, but yeah I like my Ra's supernatural.

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David Warner's version. I still have trouble picturing Ra's Al Ghul without that voice. He is one of two major characters I think was done better in the DCAU than the TDKT. The other one is Talia.


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David Warner's version. I still have trouble picturing Ra's Al Ghul without that voice. He is one of two major characters I think was done better in the DCAU than the TDKT. The other one is Talia.
Whaa??? What about Scarecrow and Joker(okay maybe that's a tie)? and Two-Face?? They were done better in the DCAU

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Whaa??? What about Scarecrow and Joker(okay maybe that's a tie)? and Two-Face?? They were done better in the DCAU
Nope. All three I preferred in the Nolan version.

Scarecrow was always something of a joke in the DCAU. Never really cared for that character. They also had trouble keeping him consistent from one appearance to the next.

Joker was a lot of fun and Hamill was great in the role, but nothing was as scary and creepy (and yet strangely also amusing) as the Ledger version. I would actually rank the DCAU Joker fourth, behind also the Nicholson Joker and the Arkham Joker (who is essentially the same character as the DCAU Joker, but he can get away with a lot more).

Two-Face in TDK was nearly as good The Joker in that film. Nolan did a better job with him than anyone else other than maybe Jeph Loeb. The DCAU version had the same problem that they did with many of their characters (and what often happens in the comics) in that he lost his motivation after his origin episode and became just another generic gangster (with the odd exception) afterwards.

The DCAU versions of Joker and Two-Face were good, but not to the level of TDKT.

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Nope. All three I preferred in the Nolan version.

Scarecrow was always something of a joke in the DCAU. Never really cared for that character. They also had trouble keeping him consistent from one appearance to the next.
His TNBA design was the best yet! even though he rarely made appearances

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Scarecrow was always something of a joke in the DCAU. Never really cared for that character. They also had trouble keeping him consistent from one appearance to the next.
Coming back to this thread (and after rewatching a few TAS episodes) I strongly disagree. How could you forget "Over the Edge" where he gave Babs the darkest yet most epic dream sequence in the history of dream sequences?! Or "Never Fear", which now that I think about it was eerily similar to Batman Begins with the releasing fear/anti fear gas via runaway train scheme, except he was the one doing it instead of Ra's, which is even more awesome because he's not being controlled by someone else. And as for being "something of a joke", what about Nolan's scarecrow who got owned by Rachel and ran off crying like a baby?! One of Batman's greatest villains - owned by a woman with a taser?! BTAS never had a scene in which Scarecrow was owned so humiliatingly as that scene. And he was useless in TDKR

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Coming back to this thread (and after rewatching a few TAS episodes) I strongly disagree. How could you forget "Over the Edge" where he gave Babs the darkest yet most epic dream sequence in the history of dream sequences?! Or "Never Fear", which now that I think about it was eerily similar to Batman Begins with the releasing fear/anti fear gas via runaway train scheme, except he was the one doing it instead of Ra's, which is even more awesome because he's not being controlled by someone else. And as for being "something of a joke", what about Nolan's scarecrow who got owned by Rachel and ran off crying like a baby?! One of Batman's greatest villains - owned by a woman with a taser?! BTAS never had a scene in which Scarecrow was owned so humiliatingly as that scene. And he was useless in TDKR
He was really good in Over the Edge. I do admit that.

However, there were also episodes like Lock-Up where he is turned into an ineffectual joke villain lumped in with the likes of Harley Quinn and The Ventriloquist and is scared to death of a prison guard.

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I would actually rank the DCAU Joker fourth, behind also the Nicholson Joker and the Arkham Joker (who is essentially the same character as the DCAU Joker, but he can get away with a lot more).
I had to come back to this again. Joker got away with a lot in the DCAU for kids show, just look at a Mask of the Phantasm and Return of the Joker. They said he couldn't kill but he killed plenty of people on and off screen

This bloke was no joke^ It's funny that this fight scene alone showed more blood than the entire TDK trilogy

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^You have no idea how silly that sounds when you think about it.

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Whaa??? What about Scarecrow and Joker(okay maybe that's a tie)? and Two-Face?? They were done better in the DCAU
Scarecrow was done way better in Arkham-verse than either. I love the Hamill and Ledger Jokers equally, and there is room for both being definitive in their own unique way. As for Two-Face, I have to go with the Nolanverse. I never really liked Harvey Dent in TAS. Despite being Bruce's friend, he was always presented as kind of smarmy throughout. I actually think The Dark Knight captured more of the tragedy of the character with an origin that was far more tragic, as he really was doing good things for Gotham and truly did have Batman's back and was punished severely for it.

I also think "killing" Dent off before he becomes a run-of-the-mill gangster always made sense. If you view the definitive (IMO) Two-Face stories as stand-alones--The Long Halloween and Dark Victory--there is an arc of pure tragedy there with Joker seemingly killing Harvey at the end of DV right after he offed the entire Gotham mafia, but before he could become a gangster.

Nolan took that approach but truncated it to one afternoon and night of slaughter, which is fine for a movie. Albeit, a little more would have been preferred. Still keeping him as the fallen hero Dent and not the villain of the week he ultimately always becomes crystallizes the tragedy.

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David Warner's version. I still have trouble picturing Ra's Al Ghul without that voice. He is one of two major characters I think was done better in the DCAU than the TDKT. The other one is Talia.
Oh yeah, what about Batman? aren't you forgetting the DCAU version of him?


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