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Old 02-18-2014, 08:17 AM   #1
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I remember that this was one of the biggest complaints from critics. When i watched the movie in the theaters, the amount of action didnīt really bother me.

Last night i rewatched the movie with my girlfriend, who was watching it for the first time. She loved it, but also said something like: "That last fight with Zod was a little to much. It was getting boring". This is interesting because she never complains about anything in movies. Lol.

Like the first time, i enjoyed the movie, but this time i gotta confess that i also thought the last battle was a little boring, especially when the city was being destroyed. The fight with Zod was also too long.

Anyone else thinks that this movie would be much better with a little less action? The movie is way longer than what it needed to be and the action is just too loud and badly paced.

Personally, iīd cut that last battle in half. The Krypton scenes could also have been a little less long. maybe 10 minutes instead of 20 or so.

I donīt think this movie needs more than 120 minutes.


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Old 02-18-2014, 08:51 AM   #2
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The problem imo is not necessarily the amount of action so much as the execution of the last couple action scenes (tonally and visually repetitive, lack of tension, etc).

One solution would be to make better action scenes. Another solution would be to have less action.


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The action was fine. There were a lot of breaks in between.

It was one of the most unique action sequences I've seen in an action film.

The angles were spectacular. You can understand that these guys were very powerful.

I think those that find the action sequences dull or repetitive really couldnt follow the speed of the action.

I've watch lots of Dragon Ball Z, Bruce Lee, IP Man (Bruce Lee's Master) And there come some repetition when fighting. Its punching and kicking.

But MOS action was the best Ive ever seen.

Smallville ranks top. The speed of Faora and her martial arts background. The brute force of Namek. Superman trying to escape only to be intercepted like a football by Namek.

When I saw the 3rd Matrix I couldnt wait to see a Superman movie do that. MOS blew it away.

As far as Zod goes. It was really good. Not as good as Smallville. But it was great. Flying through the air and throwing punches automatically makes it great.

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It would be better if the plot and characters behind the action were better handled

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Old 02-18-2014, 09:51 AM   #5
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I cannot imagine that too much action could be a problem. To me, the problem is that you have 60 minutes of it (the last hour of the movie) and the fights in Smallville look and feel the same as the ones in Metropolis, against the terraform and the final Superman-Zod battle. I feel no difference between them, the urgency and intensity doesn't change an thus there's no dramatic progression.

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I cannot imagine that too much action could be a problem. To me, the problem is that you have 60 minutes of it (the last hour of the movie) and the fights in Smallville look and feel the same as the ones in Metropolis, against the terraform and the final Superman-Zod battle. I feel no difference between them, the urgency and intensity doesn't change an thus there's no dramatic progression.
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Old 02-19-2014, 02:45 AM   #7
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I had heard that the final 20 minutes were just destruction, before I saw MOS.

But when you watch the Supes vs Zod fight, it's barely more than 5 minutes.

I know that some people complained that the last half hour had so much destruction and noise that it wasn't enjoyable.
For myself, I thought it was great, Nolan and Snyder set out to show us what it would look like if Superman got into a scrap in downtown, and that's exactly what they did.
I have no idea why people complained.

Personally, I thought the Battle of Smallville set a new high in terms of Superhero vs Supervillain fights, and was the best action piece of the film. Now that was just magic, in terms of its brutality and pace.

Supes vs Zod was good, and I liked the speed at which it took place, in fact it goes so fast that there are lots of little things I missed on the first viewing. As far as fights go it feels a bit shapeless, well compared to Smallville anyway (maybe cut it by a minute and have a bit more choreography of them going toe to toe, although I loved the exchange of blows in orbit, nice, very nice - and I guess flight was an important part of that fight, as they wanted to show Supes fighting someone on even terms.

So, all in all, I had no problems with the action.

BTW I liked that Krypton didn't just blow up, the Kryptonians were responsible for their own demise, and I really liked the brief Kryptonian Civil war - love that shot where Jor El runs out of the council chambers and just stops and looks, his jaw drops as he sees that all out war has erupted. I call that the "**** gets real on Krypton" shot.
As an opening action sequence it set the pace and tone for the film. Nice Snyder, very nice !




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I had heard that the final 20 minutes were just destruction, before I saw MOS.

But when you watch the Supes vs Zod fight, it's barely more than 5 minutes.

I know that some people complained that the last half hour had so much destruction and noise that it wasn't enjoyable.
For myself, I thought it was great, Nolan and Snyder set out to show us what it would look like if Superman got into a scrap in downtown, and that's exactly what they did.
I have no idea why people complained.

Personally, I thought the Battle of Smallville set a new high in terms of Superhero vs Supervillain fights, and was the best action piece of the film. Now that was just magic, in terms of its brutality and pace.

Supes vs Zod was good, and I liked the speed at which it took place, in fact it goes so fast that there are lots of little things I missed on the first viewing. As far as fights go it feels a bit shapeless, well compared to Smallville anyway (maybe cut it by a minute and have a bit more choreography of them going toe to toe, although I loved the exchange of blows in orbit, nice, very nice - and I guess flight was an important part of that fight, as they wanted to show Supes fighting someone on even terms.

So, all in all, I had no problems with the action.

BTW I liked that Krypton didn't just blow up, the Kryptonians were responsible for their own demise, and I really liked the brief Kryptonian Civil war - love that shot where Jor El runs out of the council chambers and just stops and looks, his jaw drops as he sees that all out war has erupted. I call that the "**** gets real on Krypton" shot.
As an opening action sequence it set the pace and tone for the film. Nice Snyder, very nice !




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Hear, hear!

Thanks dude !


Now back to those people who feel like MOS was too action-heavy,
go watch Superman Returns, which doesn't have any problems
with too much action, in fact other than Superman getting his ass
kicked, there isn't any action.

It's basically the Jane Austen version of Superman, (and I hate Jane Austen's books), if Jane Austen wrote it while deeply depressed and suffering from a gun-shot wound to the head - in fact, Jane Austen would have written a better Superman story under those conditions.

Yes, Superman lifts stuff (like planes and small continents) but somehow even that doesn't come off as particularly exciting IMO - and yes, Superman the Movie is mostly lifting and saving, but it was Superman on the big screen for the first time, and it featured the amazing performance of Christopher Reeve, so it still worked. And besides, there was plenty of fisticuffs in Superman II.

Anyway, while people say MOS is action heavy, it balanced all that out with plenty of character, story and good performances. Superman Returns
managed to not have any of that stuff (as well as an action deficit).

In the comics Superman does a lot of saving and lifting, but he also does
a lot of fighting, in fact these days arguably more fighting than anything else. MOS reflects that, which is why it works IMO.

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Thanks dude !


Now back to those people who feel like MOS was too action-heavy,
go watch Superman Returns, which doesn't have any problems
with too much action, in fact other than Superman getting his ass
kicked, there isn't any action.

It's basically the Jane Austen version of Superman, (and I hate Jane Austen's books), if Jane Austen wrote it while deeply depressed and suffering from a gun-shot wound to the head - in fact, Jane Austen would have written a better Superman story under those conditions.

Yes, Superman lifts stuff (like planes and small continents) but somehow even that doesn't come off as particularly exciting IMO - and yes, Superman the Movie is mostly lifting and saving, but it was Superman on the big screen for the first time, and it featured the amazing performance of Christopher Reeve, so it still worked. And besides, there was plenty of fisticuffs in Superman II.

Anyway, while people say MOS is action heavy, it balanced all that out with plenty of character, story and good performances. Superman Returns
managed to not have any of that stuff (as well as an action deficit).

In the comics Superman does a lot of saving and lifting, but he also does
a lot of fighting, in fact these days arguably more fighting than anything else. MOS reflects that, which is why it works IMO.
Yes, some SR bashing certainly gets your point across and makes MOS better. Because if you think the water is too cold, then go to the desert, get dehydrated and learn your lesson. Good job.

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Yes, some SR bashing certainly gets your point across and makes MOS better. Because if you think the water is too cold, then go to the desert, get dehydrated and learn your lesson. Good job.
Yes, comparisons to Superman Returns do actually get my point across,
as the common criticism of that film is that it's boring, Superman doesn't throw a punch, and is pretty much a *****.

Still, critics seemed to prefer Superman Returns, mind you I haven't talked to one person who saw it and told me it was a good movie or fun to watch. While plenty of even non-Superman fans who saw MOS really enjoyed it.

Again, RT scores and critics aren't the ultimate authority on which films are the best, because, as I said earlier, if they are, then Toy Story is a better film than Star Wars, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Dark Knight, Avengers, Lord of the Rings, and its as good as the Godfather.


Your analogy is a bit OTT, a better one would have been the Goldilocks porridge metaphor, you know, this one is too hot, this one is too cold....
If you think MOS has too much action, go watch SR and be thoroughly bored, and then go watch some other Superman films till you find one that's just right for you.



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I had heard that the final 20 minutes were just destruction, before I saw MOS.

But when you watch the Supes vs Zod fight, it's barely more than 5 minutes.

I know that some people complained that the last half hour had so much destruction and noise that it wasn't enjoyable.
For myself, I thought it was great, Nolan and Snyder set out to show us what it would look like if Superman got into a scrap in downtown, and that's exactly what they did.
I have no idea why people complained.

Personally, I thought the Battle of Smallville set a new high in terms of Superhero vs Supervillain fights, and was the best action piece of the film. Now that was just magic, in terms of its brutality and pace.

Supes vs Zod was good, and I liked the speed at which it took place, in fact it goes so fast that there are lots of little things I missed on the first viewing. As far as fights go it feels a bit shapeless, well compared to Smallville anyway (maybe cut it by a minute and have a bit more choreography of them going toe to toe, although I loved the exchange of blows in orbit, nice, very nice - and I guess flight was an important part of that fight, as they wanted to show Supes fighting someone on even terms.

So, all in all, I had no problems with the action.

BTW I liked that Krypton didn't just blow up, the Kryptonians were responsible for their own demise, and I really liked the brief Kryptonian Civil war - love that shot where Jor El runs out of the council chambers and just stops and looks, his jaw drops as he sees that all out war has erupted. I call that the "**** gets real on Krypton" shot.
As an opening action sequence it set the pace and tone for the film. Nice Snyder, very nice !



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Old 02-20-2014, 11:11 PM   #13
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Thanks dude ! Just got to call it like I see it.

Man, the battle of Smallville gets better every time I watch it.
The fight is so fast paced, and brutal - you really feel like Supes
is fighting for his life - that bit where he punches Nam-Ek
left-right-left-right, then fly up in the air and POW, left into the
train-yard. Now THAT is how I've always imagined Superman
fighting live-action would look, and ......of course there's Faora, Faora, Faora, she's slinky, cool and badass, ( Faora 1 US Army/Airforce 0,
although I suppose when Hardy crashes into Black Zero, that levels
the score at 1:1 ) if WB put her in a future MOS or JL film, no doubt
it will lift the box office returns.

Would love to see Faora go toe-to-toe with Gadot's WW.
(Snyder, are you listening ? got a winner here buddy !)

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Thanks dude ! Just got to call it like I see it.

Man, the battle of Smallville gets better every time I watch it.
The fight is so fast paced, and brutal - you really feel like Supes
is fighting for his life - that bit where he punches Nam-Ek
left-right-left-right, then fly up in the air and POW, left into the
train-yard. Now THAT is how I've always imagined Superman
fighting live-action would look, and ......of course there's Faora, Faora, Faora, she's slinky, cool and badass, ( Faora 1 US Army/Airforce 0,
although I suppose when Hardy crashes into Black Zero, that levels
the score at 1:1 ) if WB put her in a future MOS or JL film, no doubt
it will lift the box office returns.

Would love to see Faora go toe-to-toe with Gadot's WW.
(Snyder, are you listening ? got a winner here buddy !)
I was very happy with the presentation of Supe's powers and the action. It is in my opinion the best action any CBM has ever had, and we had an action finale that didn't sort of Peter out at the end. Way too many CBMs tend to do that for my tastes. That being said, I do understand some feeling that there was an "action pile up" towards the end. There is little time to catch ones breath once the Black Zero attack starts. This speaks to the "pacing issues" some have with the film. For myself, I find it to be a strength and not a negative. I love that the film keeps this thrill ride pace until the Swanwick and graveyard scenes. I had no problem, but I could see how it would not be everyone's cup of tea.

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I had heard that the final 20 minutes were just destruction, before I saw MOS.

But when you watch the Supes vs Zod fight, it's barely more than 5 minutes.

I know that some people complained that the last half hour had so much destruction and noise that it wasn't enjoyable.
For myself, I thought it was great, Nolan and Snyder set out to show us what it would look like if Superman got into a scrap in downtown, and that's exactly what they did.
I have no idea why people complained.

Personally, I thought the Battle of Smallville set a new high in terms of Superhero vs Supervillain fights, and was the best action piece of the film. Now that was just magic, in terms of its brutality and pace.

Supes vs Zod was good, and I liked the speed at which it took place, in fact it goes so fast that there are lots of little things I missed on the first viewing. As far as fights go it feels a bit shapeless, well compared to Smallville anyway (maybe cut it by a minute and have a bit more choreography of them going toe to toe, although I loved the exchange of blows in orbit, nice, very nice - and I guess flight was an important part of that fight, as they wanted to show Supes fighting someone on even terms.

So, all in all, I had no problems with the action.

BTW I liked that Krypton didn't just blow up, the Kryptonians were responsible for their own demise, and I really liked the brief Kryptonian Civil war - love that shot where Jor El runs out of the council chambers and just stops and looks, his jaw drops as he sees that all out war has erupted. I call that the "**** gets real on Krypton" shot.
As an opening action sequence it set the pace and tone for the film. Nice Snyder, very nice !



Good post and yes it had alot of action but that is a great thing in a action film.

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But when you watch the Supes vs Zod fight, it's barely more than 5 minutes.
But when you think about it, given the fact we had already seen so much destruction, making it 2.5 minutes would probably have been more than enough. It feels long and repetitive. Maybe if the movie had a little less action it would have received better reviews, i think, because thereīs really great stuff in there, but the action gets in the middle of the great stuff

You lose a little bit the impact when you show too much of something. Itīs like horror. This is one of the big differences between Nolan and Snyder. Nolan has a better sense of timing and action scenes are never too exhausting. You have a cool action scene, not very long, then you have story. Then you have another action scene, and none of them are based on things blowing up for 20 minutes.

The Smallville fight was great. but the rest was very similar to any catastrophic movie: Things simply blowing up. A lot of noise, a lot of explosions. Thatīs something that i have already watched many times, so it doesnīt impress any more.

Superman vs Zod showed us what we had already seen in the Smallville battle. Nothing particularly new, thatīs why i say it should have been a little shorter.

I guess this is the trend with SH movies nowadays. We gotta have over 30 minutes of catastrophic action and everything blowing up in the last act. It gets kind of predictable and repetitve. I wish some director had the guts to try something new. Nolan did, but i donīt see anyone else doing it, which is a shame. I studios are to blame for thinking we need to watch the same stuff over and over and over again.


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The Smallville fight was so blah,the first time I saw it,I thought I missed something.Nothing "important" was accomplished.They batted each other around,then the bad guys left.

I thought the Zod fight was pretty good.It could've been a bit longer with some of the other action/fights cut down instead.

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I do agree that maybe the action should've been trimmed down a tad, but IMO the smallville fight wasn't the same as the final showdown between Zod an Supes.....totally different styles of fighting....

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By the time Superman and Zod fight, we've seen everything: the same punching, the same super-speed, etc, done the same way as before. Only thing new was Zod about to kill that family and Superman having to stop him, and that's the only reason why it becomes interesting.

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By the time Superman and Zod fight, we've seen everything: the same punching, the same super-speed, etc, done the same way as before. Only thing new was Zod about to kill that family and Superman having to stop him, and that's the only reason why it becomes interesting.
Theres no flying in the smallville battle, but there is in the Zod battle

These battles are also the first time we got a true Superman live action fight. If that means nothing to you then I can only shake my head

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Anyone who says the fighting was repetitive clearly has no eye for the nuisances for fighting. And is not a fan of anything sports.

It's all generally repetitive.

The fights in Batman, Avengers, Ironman etc is all repetitive within each film.

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I would have prefered something in the middle. Superman Returns lacked a good fighting scene. But MOS lacked the ability to stop when it should have.
No, in SHH we don't know about middle ground. Jokes aside, it wasn't as much as stopping the action but give it different tones, so we can get more and more excited, worried, whatever. But it's really hard to keep that growing for 60 minutes.

As for the rest of your post, I agree.


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Senator Pleasury was pretty much spot on. The Smallville fight and Metropolis fight were too similar, especially the fact that there wasn't much dramatic progression. Moreover, the Smallville fight might've even been better choreographed, making the final fight seem slightly lackluster in comparison.

The final fight wasn't too long by any means- it was only 5 minutes and 20 seconds (as someone earlier also pointed out). I felt if they upped the ante in the Metropolis fight, it would've "felt" less drawn out as some felt it was, despite it only being a little over 5 minutes.



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Theres no flying in the smallville battle, but there is in the Zod battle
Yes, there is :Superman takes Gral. Zod away from his mother flying, Superman flies to avoid the helicopter's shots, the tall Kryptonian attacks a plane flying, Faora does too but Superman flies to stop her, Faora goes to the bank flying and Superman takes her out flying as well, and the subsequent battle has some flying too, then Superman flies to save a soldier that's falling, Faora flies to fight the soldiers and Superman and the tall Kryptonian also fly while fighting, Superman saves Col. Hardy flying.

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These battles are also the first time we got a true Superman live action fight. If that means nothing to you then I can only shake my head
Thanks gods for the first true Superman live action fight. You overdid it a little bit and by the end it was more loud than dramatic but thanks.


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Anyone who says the fighting was repetitive clearly has no eye for the nuisances for fighting. And is not a fan of anything sports.

It's all generally repetitive.

The fights in Batman, Avengers, Ironman etc is all repetitive within each film.
The fight between Thor and Iron Man or the Helicarrier boarding attack had a different tone and scope than the final New York battle. Iron Man against the jets was completely different from Iron man against Iron Monger. And Nolan was just too good breathing drama into the scenes to even think about how different the fights are/are not.

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Yes, there is :Superman takes Gral. Zod away from his mother flying, Superman flies to avoid the helicopter's shots, the tall Kryptonian attacks a plane flying, Faora does too but Superman flies to stop her, Faora goes to the bank flying and Superman takes her out flying as well, and the subsequent battle has some flying too, then Superman flies to save a soldier that's falling, Faora flies to fight the soldiers and Superman and the tall Kryptonian also fly while fighting, Superman saves Col. Hardy flying.

Thanks gods for the first true Superman live action fight. You overdid it a little bit and by the end it was more loud than dramatic but thanks.
Nam Ek and Faora never, ever fly. They are jumping. Arent we talking about the fighting? Superman flying to knock someone down to save a person is not considered fighting. Even when he pulls Zod away from his mother its completely one sided and can hardly be considered a flying fight. Zod was simply along for the ride. If you are comparing any of these sequences to the fight between Zod and Superman after Zod masters his senses and learns to fly himself after dropping the armor, then I strongly disagree.

Seeing Superman punch Zod twice between the buildings or him chasing Zod while both are flying is totally different to any fight sequence shown earlier in the film. What exactly did you want the Zod fight to be? When Zod says "Either you die or I do" thats not enough tension?

As for mocking seeing Superman display such powers, I think you and many others will grow to appreciate it as I think it will be a long while before Superman has any reason to ever cut loose again on anyone or anything. You know, you could have had another 'superman lifts' film. Oh well, Van Gogh never sold a single painting while alive. Some people cant appreciate some nice things, I guess.

As for the action, the only thing that bothered me was the World Engine settling over and destroying some skyscrapers. But my reasoning for disliking is different then most others. It felt too much like something I've seen before already. In fact almost immediately I remembered the Star Trek Into Darkness skyscraper destruction. I didnt like how every Hollywood film nowadays has to feature some sort of large scale urban destruction. It wasnt the carnage that bothered me, but the 'I've seen this before' feeling that did. Also I did not like the World Engine defenses on first viewing, but have come to really appreciate them. They give the film a great sci-fi comic feel. Its like those tentacles were ripped straight off a comic book page. Im actually glad Snyder decided to use them as they were his addition.


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So you wanted it choreographed better....is that what you mean?

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Old 02-20-2014, 05:47 AM   #25
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Now back to those people who feel like MOS was too action-heavy,
go watch Superman Returns, which doesn't have any problems
I would have prefered something in the middle. Superman Returns lacked a good fighting scene. But MOS lacked the ability to stop when it should have.

You see, there is a HUGE number of people that thinks a movie gets boring when it has too many explosions, buildings falling down and fight scenes that seem to never end. And this kind of gives you an answer to why this movie didnīt have great ratings. The story was decent enough, the acting was great, the score was amazing, some action scenes were very well done, but there was something in the movie that felt a little bit too much, hence the not so good reviews.

This is probably not the right place to discuss this subject, since itīs full of people who donīt mind movies loaded with action. But the GA kind of gets a little bit annoyed by it.

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