Superboy

Dark Sentinel · 03-12-2007, 08:02 AM

Before the bashing begins, just hear me out. I've liked the character of the modern age Superboy for two reasons: a) He's more conflicted than Superman and b) Superboy's a bit of a smart-mouth when it comes to his "superhero" work.

For a while now I've been thinking about how Superboy (not Jason White!) would work in the SR continuity. Well, if you remember from SR when Superman lifts his hand after unknowingly touching the kryptonite ore in Lex's landmass his fingers are bleeding. Now this would involve a bit more retconning but le's theorize that Lex was able to obtain a bit of Superman's blood (or hair or whatever, some piece of Superman's genetic material) and after being foiled in SR came up with another plan: using Superman's DNA and the money he swindled from Gertrude, he begins Project Cadmus with the help of Dr. Paul Westfield.

Now i'm more than aware that Superboy was created by Project Cadmus after Superman's death, so Superboy's origin would change somewhat to conform to the SR continuity. Instead of being created with the purpose of replacing Superman after his death, Superboy would be created as a weapon to destroy Superman. So the movie would follow Superboy's journey from Superman's intended assassin to Superman's ally, eventually leading to him being christened Kon-El at the end and possibly allowing for a spinoff movie series (if this isn't one already lol)

If anyone's interested I'd be more than happy to post more details, as this is only a very rough sketch of the background and plot.

Eros · 03-12-2007, 08:29 AM

They already have Jason, for the "super boy" department. Anything else is uneccassary and redundant.

Showtime · 03-12-2007, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by dark_sentinel

Before the bashing begins, just hear me out. I've liked the character of the modern age Superboy for two reasons: a) He's more conflicted than Superman and b) Superboy's a bit of a smart-mouth when it comes to his "superhero" work.

For a while now I've been thinking about how Superboy (not Jason White!) would work in the SR continuity. Well, if you remember from SR when Superman lifts his hand after unknowingly touching the kryptonite ore in Lex's landmass his fingers are bleeding. Now this would involve a bit more retconning but le's theorize that Lex was able to obtain a bit of Superman's blood (or hair or whatever, some piece of Superman's genetic material) and after being foiled in SR came up with another plan: using Superman's DNA and the money he swindled from Gertrude, he begins Project Cadmus with the help of Dr. Paul Westfield.

Now i'm more than aware that Superboy was created by Project Cadmus after Superman's death, so Superboy's origin would change somewhat to conform to the SR continuity. Instead of being created with the purpose of replacing Superman after his death, Superboy would be created as a weapon to destroy Superman. So the movie would follow Superboy's journey from Superman's intended assassin to Superman's ally, eventually leading to him being christened Kon-El at the end and possibly allowing for a spinoff movie series (if this isn't one already lol)

If anyone's interested I'd be more than happy to post more details, as this is only a very rough sketch of the background and plot.

Your idea is solid in its own right, but wouldn't work in the realm of Returns. The DNA would most likely be used to create Bizzaro.

Dark Sentinel · 03-12-2007, 10:22 AM

you're quite right showtime, but Superman's DNA was used to create Superboy as well. Bizzaro is a degenerate clone of Superman while Superboy is a partial clone. this could be explained easily: the DNA that Lex obtained was highly contaminated by the kryptonite shard that Lex used to stab Superman with, thereby creating Bizzaro (i know thats not how it happened in the comics but i'm just thinking in terms of the film universe for now) but Kryptonian DNA is similar enough to human DNA that human DNA could be grafted onto it in order to stabilize it and neutralize its degenerative nature, thereby creating Superboy.

the above situation would actually function as a separate Superboy spinoff movie now that i think about it (albeit the plot will have to be more developed but it could work). one of Superboy's "titles" in the comics was Project 13, so i guess Bizzaro could be the failed Project 12. i'm really just freewriting at this point lol but i'll stop now

Showtime · 03-12-2007, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by dark_sentinel

you're quite right showtime, but Superman's DNA was used to create Superboy as well. Bizzaro is a degenerate clone of Superman while Superboy is a partial clone. this could be explained easily: the DNA that Lex obtained was highly contaminated by the kryptonite shard that Lex used to stab Superman with, thereby creating Bizzaro (i know thats not how it happened in the comics but i'm just thinking in terms of the film universe for now) but Kryptonian DNA is similar enough to human DNA that human DNA could be grafted onto it in order to stabilize it and neutralize its degenerative nature, thereby creating Superboy.

the above situation would actually function as a separate Superboy spinoff movie now that i think about it (albeit the plot will have to be more developed but it could work). one of Superboy's "titles" in the comics was Project 13, so i guess Bizzaro could be the failed Project 12. i'm really just freewriting at this point lol but i'll stop now

You know your stuff, and it certainly could work. Do I think they will do something like that? Probably not, but it' has merit.

Dark Sentinel · 03-12-2007, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Showtime029

You know your stuff, and it certainly could work. Do I think they will do something like that? Probably not, but it' has merit.

thats actually surprising to hear, since i havent read one Superboy comic. i just know everything from reading up on it. i think Conner (as Superboy) is a much more interesting character than Clark (as Superman)personally; he's able to be more relaxed and a little cocky at times as opposed to Superman's almost over-exaggerated nobility.

and yeah, it most likely wouldnt happen, but it'd be a fun movie to see IMO. i should start on the screenplay

daywalker2007 · 03-12-2007, 01:17 PM

great ideas but unfortunately singer and his hack team of idiot morons called "dougherty and harris" do not have the mental capacity to think of such stories or use these

expect a sequel with 1 single villian, and some crappy scenes

dont expect any action with fight scenes etc

singer and his team dont have the balls or courage to make a good film

i mean, coming from a background of "urban legend", dougherty and harris have as much writing talent as 2 dollar hookers

daywalker2007 · 03-12-2007, 01:19 PM

unfortunately WB or singer or his team dont have any courage or balls like true film makers like James Cameron or Steven Spielberg.

Even Albert Pyun is a better director than Bryan Singer and his Captain America movie is better than Superman Returns,

might as well hire him to do a sequel and cause some "Max havoc" , lol

Billy Batson · 03-12-2007, 02:20 PM

First SR ruined my Superman movie dream, now you guys all taking Superboy aka
(SV) from me.

dark_sentinel, your idea is very imaginative

I would love to see little Jason become Bizzaro.
The Human part of Jason's DNA is causing an chromosome abnormality within his Kryptonian DNA, resulting in a genetic disorder.
As Jason age, his DNA mutation transform him into Bizzaro.

Venom'sDad · 03-12-2007, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dark_sentinel

you're quite right showtime, but Superman's DNA was used to create Superboy as well. Bizzaro is a degenerate clone of Superman while Superboy is a partial clone. this could be explained easily: the DNA that Lex obtained was highly contaminated by the kryptonite shard that Lex used to stab Superman with, thereby creating Bizzaro (i know thats not how it happened in the comics but i'm just thinking in terms of the film universe for now) but Kryptonian DNA is similar enough to human DNA that human DNA could be grafted onto it in order to stabilize it and neutralize its degenerative nature, thereby creating Superboy.

the above situation would actually function as a separate Superboy spinoff movie now that i think about it (albeit the plot will have to be more developed but it could work). one of Superboy's "titles" in the comics was Project 13, so i guess Bizzaro could be the failed Project 12. i'm really just freewriting at this point lol but i'll stop now

I agree.

Like Showtime, the DNA will most likely be used to create Bizarro, like someone else said ia another thread.

Dark Sentinel · 03-12-2007, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy Batson

First SR ruined my Superman movie dream, now you guys all taking Superboy aka
(SV) from me.

dark_sentinel, your idea is very imaginative

I would love to see little Jason become Bizzaro.
The Human part of Jason's DNA is causing an chromosome abnormality within his Kryptonian DNA, resulting in a genetic disorder.
As Jason age, his DNA mutation transform him into Bizzaro.

actually thats a pretty interesting idea that could work...maybe Lois was smoking while she was pregnant with him?

TheBat812 · 03-12-2007, 03:31 PM

Superboy sucks. Leave him out of Sr and it's sequels.

VenomsMom · 03-12-2007, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Venom'sDad

I agree.

Like Showtime, the DNA will most likely be used to create Bizarro, like someone else said ia another thread.

Just great, thats all we need is Lex Luther and Superman's retarded clone for villains. You all are trying to bury this francise.

redcaped · 03-12-2007, 05:41 PM

Jason will never wear the same costume unless his father dies permanently but still won't fit because there are things meant for only one person and he's not suppose to be like Bat-Man or Flash.

Billy Batson · 03-12-2007, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by VenomsMom

Just great, thats all we need is Lex Luther and Superman's retarded clone for villains. You all are trying to bury this francise.

That has already been accomplished.

**C. Lee** · 03-12-2007, 09:53 PM

The Superboy from the new comics could be introduced by cloning as dark sentinel proposed.......Jason is sticky point....but he can be worked around.

wellsy · 03-13-2007, 02:54 AM

Technically, isn't Jason pretty much already equivalent to Conner?

Albeit with Lois' DNA.

But you see my point... I hope.

Aside from that though, I don't think its all that bad a concept - very clever of you.

I_Hate_U_All · 03-13-2007, 02:57 AM

ready for another trip through the Superman movie twilight zone on the hype, Mr. Lee?

Not me. The Suit wars, cast wars, comic vs film wars, attack of the killer piano, etc... I'm not getting involved with that again...

I predict there'll be a "The Kid War" once the hype starts rolling on superman again.

Me, I consider the kid to be the new gus gorman. While watching superman III, it confuses me why Richard Pryor's in it so much, but ah well... At least there's some good parts with reeve to watch.

Now supposedly if Jason doesn't become Superboy, then maybe he can become supergirl through a sex change... yes, kidding.

I must say though, that wouldn't this whole plot be a rehash of superman IV in some aspects?

R_Hythlodeus · 03-13-2007, 05:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daywalker2007

unfortunately WB or singer or his team dont have any courage or balls like true film makers like James Cameron or Steven Spielberg.

Even Albert Pyun is a better director than Bryan Singer and his Captain America movie is better than Superman Returns,

might as well hire him to do a sequel and cause some "Max havoc" , lol

Dark Sentinel · 03-13-2007, 07:10 AM

here's an idea (and one that might save my project): if Doomsday is in the sequel, what if one of Superman's motiviating factors (besides his commitment to protecting the world) is that Doomsday kills the kid during one of his rampages?

think about it:

a. It'd make the fight more personal (and therefore exciting)
b. Singer would (partially) redeem himself and keep the series open for more stories

plus that allows for me to write a really kick-*** Superboy script!

EDIT: yes, my Superboy script would be based on the Modern Age Superboy

P.S. VenomsMom: Bizzaro is Superman's degenerative clone, not retarted...ah who am I kidding?

Dark Sentinel · 03-13-2007, 07:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wellsy

Technically, isn't Jason pretty much already equivalent to Conner?

Albeit with Lois' DNA.

But you see my point... I hope.

Aside from that though, I don't think its all that bad a concept - very clever of you.

actually no. i might not be a hardcore fan of Superboy's but i know enough of his backstory to know that the human part of Conner's DNA is actually thanks to a generous donation from Lex Luthor. Originally Conner's DNA was claimed to have been given to him by Paul Westfield (the head of Project Cadmus) but this got retconned i think either last year or in '05

Venom'sDad · 03-13-2007, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by VenomsMom

Just great, thats all we need is Lex Luther and Superman's retarded clone for villains. You all are trying to bury this francise.

No... if anything, Singer is burying the franchise, unless he come out of this Donner induced coma.

I really think h doesn't have a clue of the essence of Superman, that's why he's coping from Donner.... he really don't know the character.

VenomsMom · 03-13-2007, 12:35 PM

These movies should solely focus on the story that is Superman. Why on earth are we trying to set up Superboy? Superman has just been reintroduced to the big screen after almost a 20 year absence and we are talking about Superboy. They are taking the attention away from Superman with this kid. His inception is still an enigma to me. Get back to basics and establish Supes as he should be and give us some entertaining villains.

VenomsMom · 03-13-2007, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Venom'sDad

No... if anything, Singer is burying the franchise, unless he come out of this Donner induced coma.

I really think h doesn't have a clue of the essence of Superman, that's why he's coping from Donner.... he really don't know the character.

This francise was already buried, it was Singer's job to dig it up and revive it to its glory. Instead he dug a deeper hole.

Billy Batson · 03-13-2007, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by VenomsMom

This francise was already buried, it was Singer's job to dig it up and revive it to its glory. Instead he dug a deeper hole.

Nah! The francise was just on the shelf, a little tv show revived the man of steel and a movie based on that show "would've/should've/could've" brought old BIG BLUE back to glory.

On the bright side, in SR II Doomsday will deep sick superman and little "J" will hold down the fork, until Kara, Kara Zor'EL, Linda or Cir'EL restore the Mighty

Hey! is to late for Jason to have a sister? "Cir'EL"
or maybe Smallville's Clark & Lois can have a baby in the very last episode of the show.

03-12-2007, 08:02 AM	#1
Dark Sentinel Banned User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: 865 Peppling Ave., Pettsburg, Gotham City Posts: 6,998	*Superboy in the SR continuity (read before bashing please!)* Before the bashing begins, just hear me out. I've liked the character of the modern age Superboy for two reasons: a) He's more conflicted than Superman and b) Superboy's a bit of a smart-mouth when it comes to his "superhero" work. For a while now I've been thinking about how Superboy (not Jason White!) would work in the SR continuity. Well, if you remember from SR when Superman lifts his hand after unknowingly touching the kryptonite ore in Lex's landmass his fingers are bleeding. Now this would involve a bit more retconning but le's theorize that Lex was able to obtain a bit of Superman's blood (or hair or whatever, some piece of Superman's genetic material) and after being foiled in SR came up with another plan: using Superman's DNA and the money he swindled from Gertrude, he begins Project Cadmus with the help of Dr. Paul Westfield. Now i'm more than aware that Superboy was created by Project Cadmus after Superman's death, so Superboy's origin would change somewhat to conform to the SR continuity. Instead of being created with the purpose of replacing Superman after his death, Superboy would be created as a weapon to destroy Superman. So the movie would follow Superboy's journey from Superman's intended assassin to Superman's ally, eventually leading to him being christened Kon-El at the end and possibly allowing for a spinoff movie series (if this isn't one already lol) If anyone's interested I'd be more than happy to post more details, as this is only a very rough sketch of the background and plot. Last edited by Dark Sentinel; 03-12-2007 at 08:08 AM. Reason: clarification

03-12-2007, 08:29 AM	#2
Eros Side-Kick Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 7,735	Re: Superboy They already have Jason, for the "super boy" department. Anything else is uneccassary and redundant. __________________ "All superheroes are essentially criminals who capture other supercriminals in vigilante-style justice and engage in wanton destruction of public property during superpowered fights".

03-12-2007, 10:22 AM	#4
Dark Sentinel Banned User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: 865 Peppling Ave., Pettsburg, Gotham City Posts: 6,998	Re: Superboy you're quite right showtime, but Superman's DNA was used to create Superboy as well. Bizzaro is a degenerate clone of Superman while Superboy is a partial clone. this could be explained easily: the DNA that Lex obtained was highly contaminated by the kryptonite shard that Lex used to stab Superman with, thereby creating Bizzaro (i know thats not how it happened in the comics but i'm just thinking in terms of the film universe for now) but Kryptonian DNA is similar enough to human DNA that human DNA could be grafted onto it in order to stabilize it and neutralize its degenerative nature, thereby creating Superboy. the above situation would actually function as a separate Superboy spinoff movie now that i think about it (albeit the plot will have to be more developed but it could work). one of Superboy's "titles" in the comics was Project 13, so i guess Bizzaro could be the failed Project 12. i'm really just freewriting at this point lol but i'll stop now

03-12-2007, 01:17 PM	#7
daywalker2007 Banned User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,329	Re: Superboy great ideas but unfortunately singer and his hack team of idiot morons called "dougherty and harris" do not have the mental capacity to think of such stories or use these expect a sequel with 1 single villian, and some crappy scenes dont expect any action with fight scenes etc singer and his team dont have the balls or courage to make a good film i mean, coming from a background of "urban legend", dougherty and harris have as much writing talent as 2 dollar hookers

03-12-2007, 01:19 PM	#8
daywalker2007 Banned User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,329	Re: Superboy unfortunately WB or singer or his team dont have any courage or balls like true film makers like James Cameron or Steven Spielberg. Even Albert Pyun is a better director than Bryan Singer and his Captain America movie is better than Superman Returns, might as well hire him to do a sequel and cause some "Max havoc" , lol

03-12-2007, 02:20 PM	#9
Billy Batson Side-Kick Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Fawcett City Posts: 1,974	Re: Superboy First SR ruined my Superman movie dream, now you guys all taking Superboy aka (SV) from me. dark_sentinel, your idea is very imaginative I would love to see little Jason become Bizzaro. The Human part of Jason's DNA is causing an chromosome abnormality within his Kryptonian DNA, resulting in a genetic disorder. As Jason age, his DNA mutation transform him into Bizzaro. __________________ SHAZAM!

03-12-2007, 03:31 PM	#12
TheBat812 Side-Kick Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,597	Re: Superboy Superboy sucks. Leave him out of Sr and it's sequels. __________________ "No great genius has ever existed without some touch of madness." - Aristotle

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03-12-2007, 09:53 PM	#16
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03-13-2007, 02:54 AM	#17
wellsy All crews reporting. Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 775	Re: Superboy Technically, isn't Jason pretty much already equivalent to Conner? Albeit with Lois' DNA. But you see my point... I hope. Aside from that though, I don't think its all that bad a concept - very clever of you.

03-13-2007, 02:57 AM	#18
I_Hate_U_All Side-Kick Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 530	Re: Superboy ready for another trip through the Superman movie twilight zone on the hype, Mr. Lee? Not me. The Suit wars, cast wars, comic vs film wars, attack of the killer piano, etc... I'm not getting involved with that again... I predict there'll be a "The Kid War" once the hype starts rolling on superman again. Me, I consider the kid to be the new gus gorman. While watching superman III, it confuses me why Richard Pryor's in it so much, but ah well... At least there's some good parts with reeve to watch. Now supposedly if Jason doesn't become Superboy, then maybe he can become supergirl through a sex change... yes, kidding. I must say though, that wouldn't this whole plot be a rehash of superman IV in some aspects? __________________ Movie studios are trying to control the internet.

03-13-2007, 07:10 AM	#20
Dark Sentinel Banned User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: 865 Peppling Ave., Pettsburg, Gotham City Posts: 6,998	Re: Superboy here's an idea (and one that might save my project): if Doomsday is in the sequel, what if one of Superman's motiviating factors (besides his commitment to protecting the world) is that Doomsday kills the kid during one of his rampages? think about it: a. It'd make the fight more personal (and therefore exciting) b. Singer would (partially) redeem himself and keep the series open for more stories plus that allows for me to write a really kick-*** Superboy script! EDIT: yes, my Superboy script would be based on the Modern Age Superboy P.S. VenomsMom: Bizzaro is Superman's degenerative clone, not retarted...ah who am I kidding? Last edited by Dark Sentinel; 03-13-2007 at 07:11 AM. Reason: addition

03-13-2007, 12:35 PM	#23
VenomsMom Side-Kick Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,023	Re: Superboy These movies should solely focus on the story that is Superman. Why on earth are we trying to set up Superboy? Superman has just been reintroduced to the big screen after almost a 20 year absence and we are talking about Superboy. They are taking the attention away from Superman with this kid. His inception is still an enigma to me. Get back to basics and establish Supes as he should be and give us some entertaining villains.

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