The Official Batman & Robin Thread

[Joker]

I will give it this. Put it on with me and my friends in the room, and it's a great way to kill 90 minutes while doing MST3k style commentary to it.

[The Joker_1000]

While I enjoyed the movie, I tried to work out watching it & I absolutely couldn't.

[GoogleMe94]

but badass batman was gone. this is part that i hated. batman was a smirking grinning fool. keaton was badass as the bat, he had a real tough take-no-bull attitude that was awsome. kilmer only had a few moments of "badass", and clooney wasnt badass at all.

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

Originally Posted by The Joker

Freeze constantly made bad jokes and had no depth, and Robin was 25. This movie sucked, and has no redeeming qualities.

Not even the Alfred subplot?

Bane looks like an S&M fiend.

[The Joker_1000]

They turned Bane into the Hulk. Although I loved that we got Bane, he could've been that cunning genius we got in TAS & in the comics. Poison Ivy just sucked altogether.

[The Joker_1000]

Edit: Double Post

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

I was in...3rd grade when this came out. I went to see it because it had Mr. Freeze as the villain. I had to leave the theatre when they showed Bane's transformation. It made me sick...yet I was able to sit through Batman Returns, tic-tac-toe face, Penguin bile and all without flinching. Weird, eh?

[The Joker_1000]

Yeah, Bane's look (mainly his arms) made me feel queasy at first too but I got used to it.

So, do you want Bane to reappear in the new franchise?

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

I'd like to see it, but I'm running against the current, it would seem. Most want him to appear as a hitman of sorts for a mobster like he did in TAS. Myself, I'd like to see him as a leader in the League of Shadows if the Lazarus Pit doesn't exist in Nolan's continuity, and if Talia never makes it as a love interest.

The "son" that didn't rebuke his "father."

I'd save the mob hitman role for Freeze, believe it or not.

[The Joker_1000]

I wouldn't mind that but as far as his look goes, I want to see the look of Bane from "The Batman" to be put into a live action Batman movie. He could've had some sort of accident that messes up his skin & he later acquires the serum.

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

I kinda liked him as well. But with the red skin, he looked more like a mutant. That role should be saved for Killer Croc, I think. Maybe Penguin; Burton's take is my favorite, as far as appearances go. Speaking of Bane's arms, is it true that the guy that played him was actually pretty fat?

[The Joker_1000]

He wouldn't have to be a mutant, he could either just have had an accident. As for the guy who played Bane, he was a professional wrestler so I guess he wasn't all fat but the guy is dead now.

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Originally Posted by The Joker_1000

He wouldn't have to be a mutant, he could either just have had an accident. As for the guy who played Bane, he was a professional wrestler so I guess he wasn't all fat but the guy is dead now.

Ya thats what I posted a few pages back, the guy that played Bane got so big with steroids it killed him, not that long after the films release.

[Super_Ludacris]

R. Kelly's Gotham City Remix was big out there

[Mr. Socko]

Originally Posted by COMICFILMEXPERT

Redeeming qualities:

1: Michael Gough

Finest performance in the film, and his best of the series.

2: Pat Hingle

Might not have done much, but still welcome to see him.

3: Elle Macpherson

Might not have done much, but still welcome to see her (wink, wink)

4: More Batman Mythos

Nolan might be doing it now, but Schumacher was the first (both in BF and B&R) to introduce key elements of the mythology, such as Wayne Enterprises and Arkham Asylum. And, IMO, Schumacher's Arkham (visually) kicks the ass of Nolan's Arkham.

5: A Message of Family

Is it forced? Absolutely. Is it important? Absolutely.

6: Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy and Bane in the Flesh

Burton wouldn't have done it...Nolan won't do it...Through Schumacher's films we were finally given big budget live action versions of Mr. Freeze (yes I know he was in the 60's series, but still) Poison Ivy and Bane. Quality is arguable, especially with Bane...but it's still cool to see a live action rendition.

7: Paul Dini's "Freeze" Origin.

It was one thing in the TAS episode 'Heart of Ice' for producer/writer Paul Dini to create this fantastic new origin for Mr. Freeze. It's another for it to be so completely amazing that the live action realm embrace it. So add "Live Action Nora Fries" to the list from number 6.

8: A Bat Film for Kids

Contrary to belief, Children make up the bulk of the fanbase, and I'm with Joel...I don't see the harm in giving the kid-fans a Batman movie of their very own.

9: Cinematography
10: Costume Design
11: Visual Effects
12: Editing
13: Production Design
14: Sound Design
15: Score

Because despite the arguement over the literal and creative side of the film, NO ONE can argue that for what it is, it's a film that was well put together.

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CFE

Nicely said CFE, as usual, I agree on every point

Originally Posted by Gianakin_

If I remember correctly, BF was one of the highest grossers of '95.

At the time it also broke the record for highest grossing opening weekend.

[BatmanForNever]

Originally Posted by Mr. Socko

Nicely said CFE, as usual, I agree on every point



At the time it also broke the record for highest grossing opening weekend.

That's because no one had heard that it sucked yet. I remember my dad taking me and my cousin at the time, and I thought it was alright. I had a t-shirt featuring the logo...I'm a big bat nut. The movie now holds nothing to me except memories of a cool t-shirt and my cousin...I was 13 at the time.

[The Joker_1000]

Originally Posted by DaRkVeNgeanCe

Ya thats what I posted a few pages back, the guy that played Bane got so big with steroids it killed him, not that long after the films release.

What? He died from heart problems.

[The Joker_1000]

Originally Posted by BatmanForNever

That's because no one had heard that it sucked yet. I remember my dad taking me and my cousin at the time, and I thought it was alright. I had a t-shirt featuring the logo...I'm a big bat nut. The movie now holds nothing to me except memories of a cool t-shirt and my cousin...I was 13 at the time.

You want to know something weird? Last night I was in my basement, lying down ready to go to sleep & I had Batman (1989) in & I couldn't go to sleep. Got up, got on the computer for about two hours, wasn't sleepy, put B&R in, lied down, & fell right asleep.

[BatmanForNever]

Originally Posted by The Joker_1000

You want to know something weird? Last night I was in my basement, lying down ready to go to sleep & I had Batman (1989) in & I couldn't go to sleep. Got up, got on the computer for about two hours, wasn't sleepy, put B&R in, lied down, & fell right asleep.

Usually Batman Returns will put me to sleep just because in spots it get's slow...and doesn't have as much action as the other films. Plus everything is very dark and makes me sleepy.

[The Joker_1000]

Yeah, it's like the action builds up and then slows down for a long ass time. If you want to watch a movie that'll put you asleep, watch B&R. I guaranteee it'll work every time.

[BatmanForNever]

Originally Posted by The Joker_1000

Yeah, it's like the action builds up and then slows down for a long ass time. If you want to watch a movie that'll put you asleep, watch B&R. I guaranteee it'll work every time.

I'm too busy making fun of it though.

[The Joker_1000]

I enjoyed certain aspects of B&R but even though I enjoyed it, it's still a horrible movie.

[Gianakin_]

Guilty pleasure is probably the key word for you.

[Gotham22]

Schumacher's vision of Arkham was very cool. The was it is and should be. Nolan's vision is an everyday nut house, and regular hospital.
I would have love to see to what Burton would have done with Arkham.

Positive Things

1. Bruce Wayne - Clooney played the Billionare play boy very well and more a father figure to Dick Grayson.
2. Alfred - The story for him was very good.
3. Arkham of course.
4. Mr. Freeze - Very tragic character.
5. Gotham City. I really liked this version of it, very wild but no too neon lighted as in was in BF.

Negative Things.

1. The whole Batgirl character
2. Bane - this version was just stupid. i'm not saying I liked it or not. He was stupid.
3. Robin's suit
4. Batman - Keaton, Bale, and even Kilmer made Bruce Wayne and Batman two different people. Clooney really didn't try that.

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Originally Posted by Gotham22

Schumacher's vision of Arkham was very cool. The was it is and should be. Nolan's vision is an everyday nut house, and regular hospital.
I would have love to see to what Burton would have done with Arkham.

Positive Things

1. Bruce Wayne - Clooney played the Billionare play boy very well and more a father figure to Dick Grayson.
2. Alfred - The story for him was very good.
3. Arkham of course.
4. Mr. Freeze - Very tragic character.
5. Gotham City. I really liked this version of it, very wild but no too neon lighted as in was in BF.

Negative Things.

1. The whole Batgirl character
2. Bane - this version was just stupid. i'm not saying I liked it or not. He was stupid.
3. Robin's suit
4. Batman - Keaton, Bale, and even Kilmer made Bruce Wayne and Batman two different people. Clooney really didn't try that.

Go back and watch the film again, its alot more neon that BF.