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At any rate, MK's Bruce Wayne had more wit than you do:
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And yes, I realize this is BR we're discussing... but these tired nitpicks are commonly levelled at Burton's Batman take as a whole.
I could point to Bruce's interaction with Max Shreck (sp?) as proof that Wayne in Returns was sociable, albeit to a lesser extent than what we see in the comics these days. The whole "Bruce was a nerdy psycopath" doesn't really cut it. Some people just aren't getting it. They either aren't getting the spirit of the movies, or the comic era they were drawn from. Also: We never claimed that the Golden Age was the SOLE source aside from Batman the character as seen in B89/BR. Burton at least flipped through TKJ for Nicholson's direction. The Penguin was a reimagining altogether, and Catwoman was a hodge-podge. Nobody is denying that. Last edited by Superwoman Prime; 03-28-2008 at 10:22 PM. |
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Non-killing Batman has always been more heroic than killing Batman, and that's how it should be. Batman is a hero who fights against crime because of his love for humankind, not because he's some insane little boy. Because of his heart, he would never do something as evil as taking another man's life. Burton didn't understand this, but he still made very good movie that deservers all the credit it's been given.
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There’s nothing wrong about that approach. It’s Frank Miller’s approach, where Bruce Wayne it’s all of that. That said, he wasn’t totally emotionless. And even Batman begins – also influenced by Miller’s approach - got it right when it showed Bruce pretending to be the cool guy. But he wasn’t. Quote:
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Yes, he is. He even looks and feels more of a penguin than just being a chubby guy with a big nose. And his motivations are not only as strong as the comic books' version but him being deformed makes him a real tragic figure with a more powerful resentment towards society. FAR better than the original. And still a penguin. Yes, he is. And so far that sounds far better then the comics version. Quote:
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You already monopolized that? ^ The illogical things monopoly. In comics and movies we know who he is. Yet some might reasonably think that a faceless murder is better for the story (revenge is impossible and pointless, crime has no face). And as much as I like B89 and BB's approaches, I find that quite a great idea. Yes, of course. In the movie it’s fully explained. Major Borg said to Gotham that the authorities couldn’t warrantee citizens’ safety. Quote:
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“Harvey, you need help. I can offer you a bunch of silver coins so you can lose balance and fall to your death. I hope you can appreciate my infinite compassion buddy.” Illogical monopoly strikes again. Highly perturbed by his parents’ death. Something that Schumacher was luckily able to keep from Burton’s movies. Those Academy guys can’t appreciate nipples! They need to go out more, in words of Schumacher himself. Quote:
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Now, settle down. Just agree to disagree and go to some other forum to have fun.
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Yes he was. Deeply perturbed and obssessive.
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Any average person can cry his parents’ death for 20 years even if they weren’t killed. Most of us are able to see that reality and deal with it. It’s as juvenile as saying “compassionate people are losers.” That said, you might want to check your dvd player. It seems to be distorting images. There’s no scene where Bruce Wayne or Batman is crying. Except in that underrated masterpiece called Batman Forever. So I suggest you should call tech support as soon as possible. Quote:
It’s never late to learn the most obvious things of this life. I encourage you to keep going. It seems your dvd player is distorting images. You might want to check it. I suggest you should call tech support as soon as possible. Now, if you happen to have gotten the scene entirely wrong, the “tech support” for that might be considerably more expensive. Mh. So far the aforementioned words game has more wit in it than any of your criticisms. So please appreciate it. Last edited by El Payaso; 03-29-2008 at 08:23 AM. |
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I could cite plenty of comics where Bruce Wayne came across as an aloof person. This is how he has portrayed himself in public for decades as someone who is rich but also somewhat dumb not a spoiled snob. Granted Keaton/Burton took it to another level by making him more introverted but it served for the purpose of what they were trying to portray a more realistic take on a guy who plays dumb in public. There are many rich guys in real life who are that way it's the same way Bale/Nolan had him act like a complete jerk which is different from the comics but again a more realistic take as there are many rich people who also act that way in real life as well.
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I mean, other than Batman & Robin. As many times in comics Batman is unsure of his crimefighter career. And where did he wear that scarf from batman begins? And where did he wear that housecoat? And where did he wear that watch? I thought you were the one saying “It's not that they changed the source material, that happens all the time.” Maybe you want a moment alone to reach an agreement with yourself? Quote:
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No he was not. He started to dedicate his life to help other people. He has never been portrayed disturbed until Burton's Batman came around (Frank Miller doesn't count. DKR played at the end of Batman's career and in Y1 he was quite normal). Yeah, yeah, I know "who can a guy who dresses up like a bat be normal"? I tell you: He doesn't think he is a bat, he just uses the motif and the night as an advantage because he hasn't any superpowers. And, BTW; he lives in world where it's quite normal to wear a mask and fight/or commit crimes. The murder of his parents was seldom mentioned, more in some of Batman's sentimental moments. Oh and of course I talk about the Batman before Zero Hour, before he became a truly deranged nutcase - but this guy doesn't count because he didn't exist in 1989.
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The curious thing is not why you keep hearing the truth but why you keep refusing to accept it.
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Desperation leads to many kind of vagueness.
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Wow this thread is going nuts looks like the Nut-Gun person is stirring up the honey pot.
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BTAS Harvey Dent was not black and sicilian it just looked a little bit like that because of the hair style.
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I felt that Batman Forever took that in quite a good way. After some years in the “business” Batman finally got a void feeling out of his crime-fighting career. He learnt that killing the criminals wouldn’t make his pain go away. It took him some years to get to that. Which leads me to B Begins. Begins handled the revenge/ non killing aspect brilliantly. The origin story – which was as inaccurate as Burton’s by the way – explained in an excellent way why Bruce was like that. He didn’t born a hero. He did think about revenge a big deal. But it was circumstances what showed him that was not the way. It was brilliant. But, as I said in another thread, both movies handled the story quite well being completely different circumstances. The fact I love how Batman 89 handled the origin story has never meant I can’t accept a totally different approach as long as it makes sense. |
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Because for that matter, where’s the comics where Ducard as Ra’s al Ghul are the same? Or where Ra’s is Batman’s original mentor? Or the comics where we meet Rachel Dawes the childhood Bruce’s little friend? Does that (not being in a comic book) mean those elements didn’t work? No. Well, except for Rachel dawes, but that because of Katie Homes. But about the killing Batman issue, that DOES have a precedent in comic books. |
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yeah, like Superman, Hawkman, Micky Mouse.
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^ How do those examples have anything to do with that?
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