The Bucky Thread

tamron · 03-08-2009, 10:08 AM

There are few different ways Bucky could be presented in a Cap movie.

Trusty sidekick, advance scout or just friend and Army photographer?

Should he die in WWII, survive to present day old or survive to present day young (Winter Soldier)?

Which route would you want to see them go? Any casting suggestions?

Personally, I would want Bucky as an advance scout and to die in WWII on screen, in front of Cap, at the hands of Red Skull. This way, in Avengers you can have Cap dealing with guilt, feeling like he wasn't that great a leader before. This would give him some real character development over the film as he conquers his past and leads the team, so that he doesn't come off as "perfect" to the uninitiated.

sdc10 · 03-08-2009, 11:12 AM

I think he should just be portrayed as Caps friend in the Cap film but ultimately not play a role in the Avengers. So I think it would be better if they killed him off. Perhaps in the blast that freezes Cap and that would have to be something Cap deals with when he wakes back up.

CaptainStacy · 03-08-2009, 12:32 PM

I'd like to see the side-kick thing done, costume and all. The good thing about THAT is having Winter Soldier appear in a sequel....

On the other hand, having him as a photographer and re-uniting with Steve as an 80 something year old man in the present was such a great scene in the Ultimate Avengers toon, especially after revealing he married Steve's former girlfriend, that was just gut-wrenching, and will help the audience relate to Steve's loss.....

Either way would work for me...

The Question · 03-08-2009, 12:56 PM

Have him be a young soldier who serves with Steve early in the war and during the war goes through extensive training to be his partner, who handles the more delicate sides of their missions, and then have him die/go missing and become Winter Soldier.

Aztec · 03-08-2009, 04:53 PM

Once again I think The Ultimates did it best. He's Captain America's personal photographer. It makes sense since Cap was being used as a propaganda piece. He survives to the present day and marries Cap's former lover. What a perfect twist that is!

bryanss3 · 03-08-2009, 05:30 PM

I think they should use 616 version of Bucky but don't call him a sidekick call him his partner. basically the way Brubaker has shown flashbacks of Bucky in his Cap run are a great way to portray the character. They are a team they are best friends and he should definitely be introduced as James Buchanan Barnes and simply as friends always have nicknames Steve can call him Bucky. and yes I would like to see Bucky wear something similar to his costume but wear some sort of goggles instead of the little mask. Also give him a helmet not as part of the costume though more of something to wear just to protect his head.

MilkmanDan · 03-09-2009, 12:40 AM

I prefer Bucky as a fellow soldier. Possibly as a Stars and Stripes photographer like in the Ultimates. I definitely don't want him as a fellow costumed hero. Cap should be unique in that regard.

Spider-ManHero12 · 03-09-2009, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainStacy

I'd like to see the side-kick thing done, costume and all. The good thing about THAT is having Winter Soldier appear in a sequel....

On the other hand, having him as a photographer and re-uniting with Steve as an 80 something year old man in the present was such a great scene in the Ultimate Avengers toon, especially after revealing he married Steve's former girlfriend, that was just gut-wrenching, and will help the audience relate to Steve's loss.....

Either way would work for me...

I agree!

Artistsean · 03-09-2009, 03:38 PM

Well Bucky was part of it originally, when Simon and Kirby created Cap.
then when Cap was thawed out they killed off Bucky and gave Captain America a tragedy. But since they brought Bucky back as the Winter Soldier,
do they need to include him at all?

tamron · 03-09-2009, 04:24 PM

Bucky is such an important part of the WWII Cap mythos that yes, I think he needs to be included, even if it is a small role.

bryanss3 · 03-09-2009, 05:31 PM

I hope they do use Bucky as Cap's partner(the nice way to say sidekick)
I don't get the problems with sidekicks like the refusal to even consider Robin from Nolan.
And it's not that far fetched for Cap to have a partner in the first place. plus a scene like this would translate very well

Aztec · 03-09-2009, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by bryanss3

I hope they do use Bucky as Cap's partner(the nice way to say sidekick)
I don't get the problems with sidekicks like the refusal to even consider Robin from Nolan.
And it's not that far fetched for Cap to have a partner in the first place.

The problem is that it's just plain hokey and unrealistic. Why would a "supersolider" need a teenage boy in hotpants to fight along side him? It's absurd.

The Ultimates did it best with him as photographer. As I stated earlier, and others have echoed, having Steve meet an 80 year old Bucky who is married to Steve's former love is a powerful story point.

bryanss3 · 03-09-2009, 06:09 PM

Obviously he wouldn't be wearing hotpants they can give him a more military looking outfit and they can make him a little old either way in that time there were plenty of kids under 18 in the military. look at the scene from a flashback in the winter soldier saga that could play out really well in a film.

WillardNation · 03-09-2009, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bryanss3

I hope they do use Bucky as Cap's partner(the nice way to say sidekick)
I don't get the problems with sidekicks like the refusal to even consider Robin from Nolan.
And it's not that far fetched for Cap to have a partner in the first place. plus a scene like this would translate very well

I would LOVE to see this scene in the movie. I say make Bucky his partner, I think having Winter Soldier in a sequel would be awesome.

bryanss3 · 03-10-2009, 01:50 AM

They can do Bucky and not have be campy but I wouldn't be surprised though if its like everyone said Ultimate version, or just not there at all though.

Deaths Head II · 03-10-2009, 02:46 AM

Either the 616 or Ultimates Bucky would be good. I just hope they use him. It's something big from the Captain mythos and it would add something to the movies for sure. I would personally prefer him as a partner of some type. They can give him a different outfit and maybe boost his age a bit.

bryanss3 · 03-10-2009, 03:17 AM

I don't think his age is that much of a problem considering the time. there were plenty of kids who lied about their age to get into the army in the 40's, but if they made him 2 years older it wouldn't really change anything. You know they could even make him 17 and just have him in the boot camp training with all the other soldiers waiting till they day he turns 18 and can be shipped out.

jab1118 · 03-10-2009, 11:55 AM

I would like to see Bucky as a partner in a military uniform no mask or costume maybe some kind of goggles like somebody suggested. Then have him die and return in a sequel as Winter soldier. As for his age I think it depends on the age of cap I think about a 5 to 10 year difference works if they ge a 30 year old Cap 20 year bucky works but if they go with an older Cap bucky should be in his mid 20s I want him to feel like his friend not his dad. Plus I would like him to be around same hight as Cap just much skinnier because I want him to bulk up later and be able to pull off winter soldier

The Question · 03-10-2009, 09:32 PM

Cap is usually depicted as being 19 when he was chosen for Project: Rebirth and about 20 when he first goes into action. Bucky was implied to be much younger in the early stories, but since then has been stated to be around 16 or 17 when he became Cap's partner, which really isn't all that unrealistic, especially if he's depicted as a combat prodigy due to his living on a military base his whole life as he was in Brubaker's run.

jab1118 · 03-11-2009, 12:54 AM

True but I doubt were getting a Cap under 25 and if you look at the Cap thread I think the youngest choice in the poll is 29. Its easy to say Cap is 19 in comics and just draw him to look 30 in reality that cant be done. Im just saying if when they cast Cap I dont think its a must to stay with a teen Bucky.

Artistsean · 03-11-2009, 02:19 AM

I thought Cap in the comics was about mid 20s to early 30s?
and Bucky was about 18-early 20s. Or something, they detail their ages in the Sale/Loeb Captain America comic.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bryanss3

I hope they do use Bucky as Cap's partner(the nice way to say sidekick)
I don't get the problems with sidekicks like the refusal to even consider Robin from Nolan.
And it's not that far fetched for Cap to have a partner in the first place. plus a scene like this would translate very well

Bucky is more believable than Robin. He isn't that much younger than Cap and is in the army too so he has the training (according to these pages and the Sale/Loeb comic).
Maybe he was younger when he was introduced.
But he works and would translate better into live action films.
Robin doesn't make sense because Batman is fighting a war on crime, so why would he bring a child into the line of fire?
Originally Robin was brought in to boost sales, so that kids could relate to him and feel like they were Batman's sidekick.

Again, I am not sure about Bucky's origin, but it is reasonable to have another soldier team up with Captain America for missions.
But his costume, with minor modifications, could work too.
(In my opinion)

bryanss3 · 03-11-2009, 05:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Artistsean

I thought Cap in the comics was about mid 20s to early 30s?
and Bucky was about 18-early 20s. Or something, they detail their ages in the Sale/Loeb Captain America comic.

Bucky is more believable than Robin. He isn't that much younger than Cap and is in the army too so he has the training (according to these pages and the Sale/Loeb comic).
Maybe he was younger when he was introduced.
But he works and would translate better into live action films.
Robin doesn't make sense because Batman is fighting a war on crime, so why would he bring a child into the line of fire?
Originally Robin was brought in to boost sales, so that kids could relate to him and feel like they were Batman's sidekick.

Again, I am not sure about Bucky's origin, but it is reasonable to have another soldier team up with Captain America for missions.
But his costume, with minor modifications, could work too.
(In my opinion)

Speaking of Loeb/Sale does anyone have any idea when Captain America White is actually going to come out?
Also I agree Bucky translates a lot better than Robin, but Robin is also completely adaptable. If you can believe a guy dresses up like a bat and fights crime. You can believe he'll let a child that is a mirror image of himself at that age fight crime with him.

The Question · 03-11-2009, 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jab1118

True but I doubt were getting a Cap under 25 and if you look at the Cap thread I think the youngest choice in the poll is 29. Its easy to say Cap is 19 in comics and just draw him to look 30 in reality that cant be done. Im just saying if when they cast Cap I dont think its a must to stay with a teen Bucky.

I never saw them as drawing him like he was 30. Just drawing him like he was jacked out of my mind. I'm sure the actor will be older than the character, as is often the case unless you get an exceptionally talented young actor, but the fact is I don't want the difference in age to be huge and I still think Cap should be around 19 or 20 when he starts out.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Artistsean

I thought Cap in the comics was about mid 20s to early 30s?
and Bucky was about 18-early 20s. Or something, they detail their ages in the Sale/Loeb Captain America comic.

Nope. Cap was 19 years old when he signed up for Project Rebirth.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jab1118

Bucky is more believable than Robin. He isn't that much younger than Cap and is in the army too so he has the training (according to these pages and the Sale/Loeb comic).
Maybe he was younger when he was introduced.
But he works and would translate better into live action films.
Robin doesn't make sense because Batman is fighting a war on crime, so why would he bring a child into the line of fire?
Originally Robin was brought in to boost sales, so that kids could relate to him and feel like they were Batman's sidekick.

Again, I am not sure about Bucky's origin, but it is reasonable to have another soldier team up with Captain America for missions.
But his costume, with minor modifications, could work too.
(In my opinion)

I don't think Robin's all that unbelievable. When Batman takes him under his wing he's a young teenager, and spends a considerable amount of time training the kid. By the time he's a full fledged partner he's in his mid teens, and Batman is well aware that he's better off doing this under his supervision than running off doing it on his own.

Rage · 03-11-2009, 06:57 PM

I like the Ultimates version. They can toughen him up a bit... the kid is in combat situations constantly. Maybe he asks to be Cap's photographer, so he can get into combat as an underage recruit...gets him into the action.

I love the idea of Bucky being old when Cap is thawed out.... but the whole guilt over his death is a great emotional weight to hang on Cap... Hmmmmmmmm

P.S. Joseph Gordon-Levitt for Bucky!!!

Congo Jack · 03-18-2009, 09:18 PM

I handle him exactly like Ed Brubaker's Bucky but with a standard military uniform.

How do people feel about Trevor Morgan for Bucky?

03-08-2009, 10:08 AM	#1
tamron Side-Kick Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Chicago,IL Posts: 2,875	The Bucky Thread There are few different ways Bucky could be presented in a Cap movie. Trusty sidekick, advance scout or just friend and Army photographer? Should he die in WWII, survive to present day old or survive to present day young (Winter Soldier)? Which route would you want to see them go? Any casting suggestions? Personally, I would want Bucky as an advance scout and to die in WWII on screen, in front of Cap, at the hands of Red Skull. This way, in Avengers you can have Cap dealing with guilt, feeling like he wasn't that great a leader before. This would give him some real character development over the film as he conquers his past and leads the team, so that he doesn't come off as "perfect" to the uninitiated. __________________ Tongayi Chirisa for T'Challa/Black Panther

03-08-2009, 11:12 AM	#2
sdc10 Side-Kick Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 804	Re: The Bucky Thread I think he should just be portrayed as Caps friend in the Cap film but ultimately not play a role in the Avengers. So I think it would be better if they killed him off. Perhaps in the blast that freezes Cap and that would have to be something Cap deals with when he wakes back up.

03-08-2009, 12:32 PM	#3
CaptainStacy Gone...but not forgotten. Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: The Beautiful Planet Earth Posts: 20,027	Re: The Bucky Thread I'd like to see the side-kick thing done, costume and all. The good thing about THAT is having Winter Soldier appear in a sequel.... On the other hand, having him as a photographer and re-uniting with Steve as an 80 something year old man in the present was such a great scene in the Ultimate Avengers toon, especially after revealing he married Steve's former girlfriend, that was just gut-wrenching, and will help the audience relate to Steve's loss..... Either way would work for me...

03-08-2009, 12:56 PM	#4
The Question Side-Kick Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Hub City Posts: 36,036	Re: The Bucky Thread Have him be a young soldier who serves with Steve early in the war and during the war goes through extensive training to be his partner, who handles the more delicate sides of their missions, and then have him die/go missing and become Winter Soldier. __________________ VIDEO-CLick to Watch!:

03-08-2009, 04:53 PM	#5
Aztec Side-Kick Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 1,997	Re: The Bucky Thread Once again I think The Ultimates did it best. He's Captain America's personal photographer. It makes sense since Cap was being used as a propaganda piece. He survives to the present day and marries Cap's former lover. What a perfect twist that is!

03-08-2009, 05:30 PM	#6
bryanss3 Summerholidays Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,440	Re: The Bucky Thread I think they should use 616 version of Bucky but don't call him a sidekick call him his partner. basically the way Brubaker has shown flashbacks of Bucky in his Cap run are a great way to portray the character. They are a team they are best friends and he should definitely be introduced as James Buchanan Barnes and simply as friends always have nicknames Steve can call him Bucky. and yes I would like to see Bucky wear something similar to his costume but wear some sort of goggles instead of the little mask. Also give him a helmet not as part of the costume though more of something to wear just to protect his head. __________________ Last edited by bryanss3; 03-08-2009 at 06:42 PM.

03-09-2009, 12:40 AM	#7
MilkmanDan Side-Kick Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 383	Re: The Bucky Thread I prefer Bucky as a fellow soldier. Possibly as a Stars and Stripes photographer like in the Ultimates. I definitely don't want him as a fellow costumed hero. Cap should be unique in that regard.

03-09-2009, 03:38 PM	#9
Artistsean Monkey Boy Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 6,975	Re: The Bucky Thread Well Bucky was part of it originally, when Simon and Kirby created Cap. then when Cap was thawed out they killed off Bucky and gave Captain America a tragedy. But since they brought Bucky back as the Winter Soldier, do they need to include him at all?

03-09-2009, 04:24 PM	#10
tamron Side-Kick Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Chicago,IL Posts: 2,875	Re: The Bucky Thread Bucky is such an important part of the WWII Cap mythos that yes, I think he needs to be included, even if it is a small role. __________________ Tongayi Chirisa for T'Challa/Black Panther

03-09-2009, 05:31 PM	#11
bryanss3 Summerholidays Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,440	Re: The Bucky Thread I hope they do use Bucky as Cap's partner(the nice way to say sidekick) I don't get the problems with sidekicks like the refusal to even consider Robin from Nolan. And it's not that far fetched for Cap to have a partner in the first place. plus a scene like this would translate very well __________________ Last edited by bryanss3; 03-09-2009 at 06:00 PM.

03-09-2009, 06:09 PM	#13
bryanss3 Summerholidays Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,440	Re: The Bucky Thread Obviously he wouldn't be wearing hotpants they can give him a more military looking outfit and they can make him a little old either way in that time there were plenty of kids under 18 in the military. look at the scene from a flashback in the winter soldier saga that could play out really well in a film. __________________

03-10-2009, 01:50 AM	#15
bryanss3 Summerholidays Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,440	Re: The Bucky Thread They can do Bucky and not have be campy but I wouldn't be surprised though if its like everyone said Ultimate version, or just not there at all though. __________________

03-10-2009, 03:17 AM	#17
bryanss3 Summerholidays Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,440	Re: The Bucky Thread I don't think his age is that much of a problem considering the time. there were plenty of kids who lied about their age to get into the army in the 40's, but if they made him 2 years older it wouldn't really change anything. You know they could even make him 17 and just have him in the boot camp training with all the other soldiers waiting till they day he turns 18 and can be shipped out. __________________

03-10-2009, 11:55 AM	#18
jab1118 Side-Kick Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 499	Re: The Bucky Thread I would like to see Bucky as a partner in a military uniform no mask or costume maybe some kind of goggles like somebody suggested. Then have him die and return in a sequel as Winter soldier. As for his age I think it depends on the age of cap I think about a 5 to 10 year difference works if they ge a 30 year old Cap 20 year bucky works but if they go with an older Cap bucky should be in his mid 20s I want him to feel like his friend not his dad. Plus I would like him to be around same hight as Cap just much skinnier because I want him to bulk up later and be able to pull off winter soldier

03-10-2009, 09:32 PM	#19
The Question Side-Kick Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Hub City Posts: 36,036	Re: The Bucky Thread Cap is usually depicted as being 19 when he was chosen for Project: Rebirth and about 20 when he first goes into action. Bucky was implied to be much younger in the early stories, but since then has been stated to be around 16 or 17 when he became Cap's partner, which really isn't all that unrealistic, especially if he's depicted as a combat prodigy due to his living on a military base his whole life as he was in Brubaker's run. __________________ VIDEO-CLick to Watch!:

03-11-2009, 12:54 AM	#20
jab1118 Side-Kick Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 499	Re: The Bucky Thread True but I doubt were getting a Cap under 25 and if you look at the Cap thread I think the youngest choice in the poll is 29. Its easy to say Cap is 19 in comics and just draw him to look 30 in reality that cant be done. Im just saying if when they cast Cap I dont think its a must to stay with a teen Bucky.

03-11-2009, 06:57 PM	#24
Rage Valar Morghulis Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Posts: 3,028	Re: The Bucky Thread I like the Ultimates version. They can toughen him up a bit... the kid is in combat situations constantly. Maybe he asks to be Cap's photographer, so he can get into combat as an underage recruit...gets him into the action. I love the idea of Bucky being old when Cap is thawed out.... but the whole guilt over his death is a great emotional weight to hang on Cap... Hmmmmmmmm P.S. Joseph Gordon-Levitt for Bucky!!! __________________ WINTER ISN'T COMING FAST ENOUGH :)

03-18-2009, 09:18 PM	#25
Congo Jack Chad Sexington Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Ireland Posts: 869	Re: The Bucky Thread I handle him exactly like Ed Brubaker's Bucky but with a standard military uniform. How do people feel about Trevor Morgan for Bucky? __________________ Looks like a guy who you think is called "Hermano" is going to get his ass kicked.

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