Transformers: ROTF User Review Thread

[Orb]

How was Fallen and what did he do?

[Figs]

Originally Posted by Orb

How was Fallen and what did he do?

LOL Couldn't help but point out that your post reminded me of Arnold in Kindergarten Cop. "Who is your daddy and what does he do?"

[Spade]

My only question is "How much of this makes sense?" In the first film, there were a lot of convenient plot twist, like the spiel with Megatron's navigational system and how the All Spark worked, and some weird things like the Bat/Trans-Signal and- again- how the All Spark worked. Is it more of the same or does this movie go for less MacGuffins?

[Shivsguy616]

Wow.... that was pretty damn bad. Every single comment I overheard after the showing was negative.

[Shivsguy616]

Originally Posted by The Chibi Kiriyama

My only question is "How much of this makes sense?" In the first film, there were a lot of convenient plot twist, like the spiel with Megatron's navigational system and how the All Spark worked, and some weird things like the Bat/Trans-Signal and- again- how the All Spark worked. Is it more of the same or does this movie go for less MacGuffins?

Almost nothing. So much of the plot is pointless, it's better not to expect it to be logical.

[J.Howlett]

Who ever has seen the film, could you please answer these questions posed by Devin over at CHUD. I kind of find them hilarious:

- What/who is the Fallen getting revenge on?

- Why can only Optimus Prime kill The Fallen (since he's a Prime as well) but three Decepticons can kill Optimus?

- Why did the Fallen wait 3000 years to find the Matrix of Leadership, which was about three miles from the sun destroying machine?

- How does Jetfire open the back door of the Smithsonian and end up in California? How does Jetfire teleport Sam, Mikaela, the new roommate, John Turturro and Wheelie but have Bumblebee and the Twins show up in Egypt with them? Since when could the Transformers teleport at will?

[Shivsguy616]

Originally Posted by J.Howlett

Who ever has seen the film, could you please answer these questions posed by Devin over at CHUD. I kind of find them hilarious:

- What/who is the Fallen getting revenge on?

- Why can only Optimus Prime kill The Fallen (since he's a Prime as well) but three Decepticons can kill Optimus?

- Why did the Fallen wait 3000 years to find the Matrix of Leadership, which was about three miles from the sun destroying machine?

- How does Jetfire open the back door of the Smithsonian and end up in California? How does Jetfire teleport Sam, Mikaela, the new roommate, John Turturro and Wheelie but have Bumblebee and the Twins show up in Egypt with them? Since when could the Transformers teleport at will?

Spoilers:

1.)The fallen is getting revenge on the other primes, who turned against him when he turned bad.

2.)Bad writing I guess.

3.)He needed the allspark to find it.

4.) A.It doesn't say where they are.
B.The twins, wheelie and bumblebee are all with Sam etc at the museum.
C.Since this film apparently.

[Mr. Earle]

Originally Posted by J.Howlett

Who ever has seen the film, could you please answer these questions posed by Devin over at CHUD. I kind of find them hilarious:

- What/who is the Fallen getting revenge on?

- Why can only Optimus Prime kill The Fallen (since he's a Prime as well) but three Decepticons can kill Optimus?

- Why did the Fallen wait 3000 years to find the Matrix of Leadership, which was about three miles from the sun destroying machine?

- How does Jetfire open the back door of the Smithsonian and end up in California? How does Jetfire teleport Sam, Mikaela, the new roommate, John Turturro and Wheelie but have Bumblebee and the Twins show up in Egypt with them? Since when could the Transformers teleport at will?

See, Michael Bay tried to distract you by showing you Megan Fox's body to cover up the holes of his plot (if there is any) but you beat him.

[Orb]

Hey Shivs can you answer this?

Originally Posted by Orb

How was Fallen and what did he do?

[Lunar_Wolf]

Just got out of the film for a second time, better second time around.

Originally Posted by Orb

How was Fallen and what did he do?

Fallen was pretty awesome. He came to earth 100's of years ago and tried to wipe out the human race for the sun. Primes would use a machine to drain suns energy into energon. But only planets with no life so the sun missing would not kill anyone. The Fallen betrayed his brothers when he tried to take the suns energy.

Originally Posted by The Chibi Kiriyama

My only question is "How much of this makes sense?" In the first film, there were a lot of convenient plot twist, like the spiel with Megatron's navigational system and how the All Spark worked, and some weird things like the Bat/Trans-Signal and- again- how the All Spark worked. Is it more of the same or does this movie go for less MacGuffins?

Makes more sense then the first. More of a bigger story, but is told well.

[Spade]

Originally Posted by Shivsguy616

Almost nothing. So much of the plot is pointless, it's better not to expect it to be logical.

What, then, were the biggest issues you noticed?

[Shivsguy616]

Originally Posted by Orb

Hey Shivs can you answer this?

Not exactly sure what you mean.

He did a bit of fighting, sat in his big unexplained base on one of Saturn's moons, talked about his revenge, then did some more fighting. Nothing special really.

[cyclone]

Jus got back from seeing it (in the UK). I gotta say, I loved it.

I'm not taking a swipe at anyone, but you've gotta realise, you've got film with big robots....with Michael Bay directing....was anyone seriously hoping or expecting a film which was gonna win an Oscar or other award for 'Best Actor' or 'Best Director'?? A proper 'film-film'? It does what it's designed to do. Rake in money.

Personally, I loved it. Don't really have any gripes. Maybe Wheelie was a bit pants....but thats it. Loved the Twins. The whole "I will bust your face..." was brilliant.

Couldn't see any major plotholes that you'd lose sleep over. Only thing I didn't quite 'get', is they must have duplicated the Constructicons, or each Constructicon had 2 variations. In the last part with Devastator, he's clearly in one piece destroying stuff, while you see Long Haul, Scrapper etc in the fight with Sam, Mikaela, Lennox etc. Odd...

But yeh, as far as Summer blockbusters go, and as far as a sequel, to me it did what it should. Took characters we knew, developed them a bit more, gave us some new characters, and improved on the first.

9/10.

[Mr. Earle]

I thought he was in stasis lock. What the hell was he doing all these thousands of years in Saturn's moon? Masturbating?

[Shivsguy616]

Originally Posted by The Chibi Kiriyama

What, then, were the biggest issues you noticed?

Okay, alot of things just seemed a bit pointless and underexplained.

A couple huge plot holes though;

The primes supposidly sacrificed their lives to form a casing around the matrix so the fallen could never get it. Well, bumblebee breaks through that casing with ease, rendering it pointless.

Also, the sun destroying machine is built into the pyramid, a structure which has been meticulously excavated for decades.

[J.Howlett]

Shivs,

Thanks for answering. As far as the Fallen's revenge goes, Bay basically said a while ago that the title has a double meaning...so I find it hilarious that Devin couldn't figure that out.

As for teleportation, the original cartoon had a few Transformers that in fact teleported, so that's not a big deal to me anyway.

[Shivsguy616]

Originally Posted by Mr. Earle

I thought he was in stasis lock. What the hell was he doing all these thousands of years in Saturn's moon? Masturbating?

Growing babies it would seem, so... possibly.

[Mr. Earle]

Originally Posted by Shivsguy616

Okay, alot of things just seemed a bit pointless and underexplained.

A couple huge plot holes though;

The primes supposidly sacrificed their lives to form a casing around the matrix so the fallen could never get it. Well, bumblebee breaks through that casing with ease, rendering it pointless.

Also, the sun destroying machine is built into the pyramid, a structure which has been meticulously excavated for decades.

Didnt it occur to them to kill the Fallen? Or was he so powerful that they couldnt? But then Prime with a jetpack can? WTF?

[Shivsguy616]

Originally Posted by Mr. Earle

Didnt it occur to them to kill the Fallen? Or was he so powerful that they couldnt? But then Prime with a jetpack can? WTF?

True.

[Conebone69]

I only have two questions

1. Is there still a bunch of needless cheesy kid humor?

2. How are the female bots? Is it really bad?

[Mr. Earle]

Originally Posted by Shivsguy616

True.

Thanks for your answers mate!

So really now... is the plot so incredibly stupid?

And another thing, why did the Fallen stay in Saturn's moon for all this time? How did it serve his purpose, why didnt he wake up Megatron or search for the allspark himself?

[Shivsguy616]

Originally Posted by Conebone69

I only have two questions

1. Is there still a bunch of needless cheesy kid humor?

2. How are the female bots? Is it really bad?

1. Yes, but to be honest, there's quite a bit of good humour.

2. Not featured much. Speak once, obviously female, but no character development.

[Shivsguy616]

Originally Posted by Mr. Earle

Thanks for your answers mate!

So really now... is the plot so incredibly stupid?

And another thing, why did the Fallen stay in Saturn's moon for all this time? How did it serve his purpose, why didnt he wake up Megatron or search for the allspark himself?

Not sure. He seemed to liven up once he "sensed" Prime had died. Maybe he was afraid.

[Mr. Earle]

Another one popped into my head:
How are the new Autobots explained? Where do they come from? Cyberton is supposedly Decepticon territory. Where they taking refuge among the stars and heard Prime's call? Did they land as pods?

[Conebone69]

Originally Posted by Shivsguy616

1. Yes, but to be honest, there's quite a bit of good humour.

2. Not featured much. Speak once, obviously female, but no character development.

Thanks man. Does the humor ruin some moments in the movie? And is it really any darker?