The Twins: Racist? - Page 2

macdawson · 06-22-2009, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by craigdbfan

I've read that the particular line of "Yeah we don't do much reading" has been totally taken out of context in relation to the story.

Apparently they were referring to ancient cybertronian scriptures which the Twins had no idea how to decipher. Now that doesn't sound "racist" at all it just sounds like not to many modern cybertronians know their planets ancient writing.

Yeah. If i look at ancient egiptian hyeroglyphs, i can't read them. Hell, i look at cyrilic or kanji, wich are still in use today and i don't now most of them. What they can't read are those ancient symbols. Context, people.

chaseter · 06-22-2009, 02:50 PM

I thought the twins were portrayed as hillbillies or rednecks. If that is so, then that is alright? If they are portrayed as black stereotypes then people have fits, but if they are portrayed as white stereotypes then it is funny?

People can find racism in their soup thanks to idiots these days. If they don't say anything racist, then I don't see the problem. If you see racism in anything and everything, then chances are that you are racist because you automatically relate non-human, non-colored robots with racial stereotypes. If you think they are black because one has a gold tooth, then shame on you for conforming to your own racism

bluehulk · 06-22-2009, 03:07 PM

I know white kids who talk like that so whats they difference, I think the only ones who should be offended are the teenagers because that's who Bay seems to be using as his model fro the twins the younger hip hop crowd from 10 - 15.

TheVelvetOnion · 06-22-2009, 03:24 PM

You know i hate this, the old Racist card it gets played alot. They did it with Resident Evil 5 because it was set in africa and the main character was white killing zombie black people - for a start it could be set anywhere around the world the central character was white and we were following his story.

I saw transformers 2 and i felt there was no element of racist sterotypical nature. The Twins were designed to be brothers fighting all the time both fighting over who is right normally. I want to point out one thing and thats there robots, there multi-coloured, Optimus is blue-red, bumblebee is yellow, rachet is green yet in promo pictures yellow, ironhide is black. when you look at the twins they are red and green.

Wiseman · 06-22-2009, 03:28 PM

It wouldn't have been so bad if they weren't wearing shirts the whole movie that said "stereotypical and racist" with an arrow pointing up.

I SEE SPIDEY · 06-22-2009, 03:33 PM

Some of the responses on this thread disgust me. Bay has always used racist characters so the two robots are sadly no surprise to me...okay maybe I was a little surprised.

But ofcourse I'm just a whiney black young woman...racisim doesn't exist anymore.

chaseter · 06-22-2009, 03:37 PM

Racism exists where ever you want it to exist. The fact that some people think they are rednecks and some think they are black is proof right there.

If they don't say anything racist, what makes you think they are a certain ethnicity?

GhostPoet · 06-22-2009, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by I SEE SPIDEY

Some of the responses on this thread disgust me. Bay has always used racist characters so the two robots are sadly no surprise to me...okay maybe I was a little surprised.

But ofcourse I'm just a whiney black young woman...racisim doesn't exist anymore.

I think the whole topic is one big joke. It's a freaking movie. Get over it.
And if people want to whine over this, then they need to go to the source material because G1, the classic cartoon had PLENTY of stereotyping.

AVEITWITHJAMON · 06-22-2009, 05:19 PM

I personally found the Twins to be pretty damn funny and likeable, and not racist in any way, shape or form. My only gripe with them is the amount of screen-time they got over other Autobots I personally would have preferred.

But no, they were great, and they get their big moment also which is great.

GhostPoet · 06-22-2009, 05:21 PM

Help! I'm being oppressed!

The Guard · 06-22-2009, 05:55 PM

This isn't just a black stereotype. It's becoming a white stereotype as well, to act "ghetto". People act like this on purpose all the time. I've seen plenty of intelligent, relatively educated people act this way because it's "cool" now. Heck, it's been cool for years. This isn't anything new, and people acting like it is amuse me.

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Some of the responses on this thread disgust me. Bay has always used racist characters so the two robots are sadly no surprise to me...okay maybe I was a little surprised

Where has Bay used a racist character?

SpiderByte · 06-22-2009, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by PyroChamber

I really didn't think Jazz was that bad, he could have been much worse.

As far as the Twins go, like many have said, we'll just have to see the movie first just to see how it is. And Bay said that he wanted bots with whom the younger audience could really identify with, I'm surprised he didn't make one of the Twins an emo.

Jazz was AWESOME. My favorite of the movie. He's got INCREDIBLE moves.

SpiderByte · 06-22-2009, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by The Guard

This isn't just a black stereotype. It's becoming a white stereotype as well, to act "ghetto".

You mean the dorks who TRY to be ghetto but only end up having their pants fall down in the middle of the cafeteria? (happened at my school, HILLARIOUS)

Gilpesh · 06-22-2009, 06:56 PM

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I am not a PC person. Those who know me in real life will attest that if an off-color, offensive or wildly juvenile joke needs to be made it'll likely be me making it. I think people are too sensitive in the modern world, and I don't think any topic is off-limits when it comes to laughs.

You notice how whenever a c--t is about to complain about something... they do that?

TheVelvetOnion · 06-22-2009, 06:59 PM

Look at it this way, Cybertonic language isnt english, they only adopted this voice when they came to earth. I figure with the most logical sense, they would of replicated voices to mimic that to tv and radio signals. Those signals have been studied and randonized distrubted to all the transformers.

Jake Cassidy · 06-22-2009, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by chaseter

I thought the twins were portrayed as hillbillies or rednecks. If that is so, then that is alright? If they are portrayed as black stereotypes then people have fits, but if they are portrayed as white stereotypes then it is funny?

Yeah, but the difference is is that we don't give a ****.

Nivek · 06-22-2009, 07:26 PM

It's from Devin, the whole Jar jar crap is him pushing his agenda. Don't get suckered into this "debate" people.

Grievous · 06-22-2009, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Wiseman

It's always white people claiming everything is offensive.............I'm not saying white people need to get over their white guilt, but seriously, shut-up about it

I believe you have it the other way around.

Episode29 · 06-22-2009, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by I SEE SPIDEY

Some of the responses on this thread disgust me. Bay has always used racist characters so the two robots are sadly no surprise to me...okay maybe I was a little surprised.

But ofcourse I'm just a whiney black young woman...racisim doesn't exist anymore.

Apparently not for the white majority in this thread.

S.A.A.D. · 06-22-2009, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GhostPoet

I think the whole topic is one big joke. It's a freaking movie. Get over it.
And if people want to whine over this, then they need to go to the source material because G1, the classic cartoon had PLENTY of stereotyping.

Yeah this is another villifying a Transformers movie moment that fails big time.

Bunker · 06-22-2009, 08:06 PM

Anyone ever notice the token black guys in Bays' movies? Bear in Armageddon and Cuba Gooding Jr. from Pearl Harbor. You could classify Tyrese as one too.

chaseter · 06-22-2009, 08:12 PM

Yeah and they are usually the hero. Not like in most movies where the black guy dies off first.

Episode29 · 06-22-2009, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by chaseter

Yeah and they are usually the hero. Not like in most movies where the black guy dies off first.

Damn straight! Will Smith, Martin Lawrence, Tyrese and Anthony Anderson were perfect, honest representations of African American males!

chaseter · 06-22-2009, 08:27 PM

Who wouldn't want to be Tyrese or Will Smith? Every movie has dumpy sidekicks like Martin Lawrence and Anthony Anderson. Martin and Will were rich in Bad Boys and Anthony Anderson was a genius and Tyrese is a military hero...don't see the point.

Movies like Friday are racist but it is meant to be funny and satirical.

bunk · 06-22-2009, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Episode29

Damn straight! Will Smith, Martin Lawrence, Tyrese and Anthony Anderson were perfect, honest representations of African American males!

There's a consensus on that now?

06-22-2009, 02:50 PM	#27
chaseter Bland User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 41,457	Re: The Twins: Racist? I thought the twins were portrayed as hillbillies or rednecks. If that is so, then that is alright? If they are portrayed as black stereotypes then people have fits, but if they are portrayed as white stereotypes then it is funny? People can find racism in their soup thanks to idiots these days. If they don't say anything racist, then I don't see the problem. If you see racism in anything and everything, then chances are that you are racist because you automatically relate non-human, non-colored robots with racial stereotypes. If you think they are black because one has a gold tooth, then shame on you for conforming to your own racism __________________ Kid, you're holding up the line of 2 people. You can leave a penny, you can't take a penny. You can leave a penny anytime. You have to spend $10 to take a penny. Store policy. Since when has this been store policy? Uh, since my boss made up the policy. You gonna pay? You're holding up my line of one other person. You can't afford your milk, step aside. What, daddy didn't give you enough milk money? Little baby gonna cry about it? Just step aside. And that is how Uncle Ben dies. Last edited by chaseter; 06-22-2009 at 02:54 PM.

06-22-2009, 03:07 PM	#28
bluehulk Side-Kick Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: new york Posts: 107	Re: The Twins: Racist? I know white kids who talk like that so whats they difference, I think the only ones who should be offended are the teenagers because that's who Bay seems to be using as his model fro the twins the younger hip hop crowd from 10 - 15.

06-22-2009, 03:24 PM	#29
TheVelvetOnion Side-Kick Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,229	Re: The Twins: Racist? You know i hate this, the old Racist card it gets played alot. They did it with Resident Evil 5 because it was set in africa and the main character was white killing zombie black people - for a start it could be set anywhere around the world the central character was white and we were following his story. I saw transformers 2 and i felt there was no element of racist sterotypical nature. The Twins were designed to be brothers fighting all the time both fighting over who is right normally. I want to point out one thing and thats there robots, there multi-coloured, Optimus is blue-red, bumblebee is yellow, rachet is green yet in promo pictures yellow, ironhide is black. when you look at the twins they are red and green. __________________ "Hmm, I'm scheming. This is my scheming face. First I raise this eyebrow, and then... BACK OFF!" "Ha Ha Last Laugh!"

06-22-2009, 03:28 PM	#30
Wiseman Banned User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: In A-Rod's house Posts: 8,249	Re: The Twins: Racist? It wouldn't have been so bad if they weren't wearing shirts the whole movie that said "stereotypical and racist" with an arrow pointing up.

06-22-2009, 03:33 PM	#31
I SEE SPIDEY Cav-El *****es Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: In Superman's arms Posts: 21,765	Re: The Twins: Racist? Some of the responses on this thread disgust me. Bay has always used racist characters so the two robots are sadly no surprise to me...okay maybe I was a little surprised. But ofcourse I'm just a whiney black young woman...racisim doesn't exist anymore. __________________ Come think with us:http://thinkmcflythink.squarespace.com/ Movies get an "A" for being good, not for effort

06-22-2009, 03:37 PM	#32
chaseter Bland User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 41,457	Re: The Twins: Racist? Racism exists where ever you want it to exist. The fact that some people think they are rednecks and some think they are black is proof right there. If they don't say anything racist, what makes you think they are a certain ethnicity? __________________ Kid, you're holding up the line of 2 people. You can leave a penny, you can't take a penny. You can leave a penny anytime. You have to spend $10 to take a penny. Store policy. Since when has this been store policy? Uh, since my boss made up the policy. You gonna pay? You're holding up my line of one other person. You can't afford your milk, step aside. What, daddy didn't give you enough milk money? Little baby gonna cry about it? Just step aside. And that is how Uncle Ben dies.

06-22-2009, 05:19 PM	#34
AVEITWITHJAMON Terminator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Liverpool, U.K Posts: 21,410	Re: The Twins: Racist? I personally found the Twins to be pretty damn funny and likeable, and not racist in any way, shape or form. My only gripe with them is the amount of screen-time they got over other Autobots I personally would have preferred. But no, they were great, and they get their big moment also which is great. __________________ 2013: 1)Django Unchained-9(2)Star Trek Into Darkness-9(3)Iron Man 3-9(4)Evil Dead-8(5)Oblivion-8(6)The Last Stand-7.5(7)Oz: The Great And Powerful-7.5(8)Jack The Giant Slayer-7.5

06-22-2009, 05:21 PM	#35
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06-22-2009, 06:59 PM	#40
TheVelvetOnion Side-Kick Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,229	Re: The Twins: Racist? Look at it this way, Cybertonic language isnt english, they only adopted this voice when they came to earth. I figure with the most logical sense, they would of replicated voices to mimic that to tv and radio signals. Those signals have been studied and randonized distrubted to all the transformers. __________________ "Hmm, I'm scheming. This is my scheming face. First I raise this eyebrow, and then... BACK OFF!" "Ha Ha Last Laugh!"

06-22-2009, 07:26 PM	#42
Nivek Banned User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Central FL Posts: 14,850	Re: The Twins: Racist? It's from Devin, the whole Jar jar crap is him pushing his agenda. Don't get suckered into this "debate" people.

06-22-2009, 08:06 PM	#46
Bunker Banned User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: interrupting yer breakfast Posts: 18,017	Re: The Twins: Racist? Anyone ever notice the token black guys in Bays' movies? Bear in Armageddon and Cuba Gooding Jr. from Pearl Harbor. You could classify Tyrese as one too.

06-22-2009, 08:12 PM	#47
chaseter Bland User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 41,457	Re: The Twins: Racist? Yeah and they are usually the hero. Not like in most movies where the black guy dies off first. __________________ Kid, you're holding up the line of 2 people. You can leave a penny, you can't take a penny. You can leave a penny anytime. You have to spend $10 to take a penny. Store policy. Since when has this been store policy? Uh, since my boss made up the policy. You gonna pay? You're holding up my line of one other person. You can't afford your milk, step aside. What, daddy didn't give you enough milk money? Little baby gonna cry about it? Just step aside. And that is how Uncle Ben dies.

06-22-2009, 08:27 PM	#49
chaseter Bland User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 41,457	Re: The Twins: Racist? Who wouldn't want to be Tyrese or Will Smith? Every movie has dumpy sidekicks like Martin Lawrence and Anthony Anderson. Martin and Will were rich in Bad Boys and Anthony Anderson was a genius and Tyrese is a military hero...don't see the point. Movies like Friday are racist but it is meant to be funny and satirical. __________________ Kid, you're holding up the line of 2 people. You can leave a penny, you can't take a penny. You can leave a penny anytime. You have to spend $10 to take a penny. Store policy. Since when has this been store policy? Uh, since my boss made up the policy. You gonna pay? You're holding up my line of one other person. You can't afford your milk, step aside. What, daddy didn't give you enough milk money? Little baby gonna cry about it? Just step aside. And that is how Uncle Ben dies.

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