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Ok a Major Complaint i hear is that The plot didn't make sense, but it actually did if u pay attention
A major Plot hole i hear is "Why didn't Sam use the all Spark shard on Optimus instead of Jetfire" Well... the Whole reason they went looking for jet fire cause he was the only person who could read the symbols, Their Revelation that they could bring prime back was after Jetfire Explained every thing Also Jetfire was'nt dead; the shard did'nt bring him back to life. It just woke him up. I could be wrong but I think Sam still had the Allspark piece anyway even after using it. Jetfire had just been hiding out on Earth from the war and had somehow settled into an airplane form. Sam also might not have known that Megatron was revived by a shard of the Allspark, since no-one told him the Deepticons stole it. He probably had no idea how he came back to life. And Megatron's injuries were not as serious as Optimus's, so the shard might not have worked anyway. Optimus had his chest ripped open- Megatron just seemed to suffer a heart attack or something. Anyway, main point is- Jetfire was'nt dead. Also, to revive Megatron the Decepticons killed one of their own and used his parts for repairs- the Allsparks was'nt enough. The Autobots are'nt likely to do that. |
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I think you're wasting your time with this thread. It's pretty obvious some people just want to pick ROTF apart at every level, and simply don't want to think about the things in the movie that do make sense in context, because they're disappointed overall.
It's interesting, really. Because it's fine when characters in BATMAN BEGINS happen to run into each other or be related somehow, or loose plot threads manage to pull together, and it's fine in THE DARK KNIGHT when Harvey Dent happens to fall halfway into a puddle of gasoline that then happens to ignite to the point where he happens to be burnt halfway, or that a mob would keep all their money in one bank, or someone can fall out a window and survive a 40 MPH plunge onto a car unscathed, or a boat full of criminals doesn't blow up a boat full of innocents, or The Joker manages to put all those barrels and explosives on two National Guard supervised evacuation boats, but in a movie about giant transforming robots, apparently we need to question things like why the evil ones didn't just kill the humans outright, because that would be more realistic, or why the Allspark can both kill and heal... I think there's some fair criticism of the movie, to be sure, and this movie has a number of flaws, over the top elements and what have you, but by and large over the last few days, it sort of comes down to, people have a perception of the film as a whole and either because they don't want to, or aren't capable of rational thinking, they want to impose that perception on every single element of it. And to hell and be damned with assessing each element fairly.
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Btw, just out of curiosity, i couldnt remember anything in Begins like the part in bold implies. What are you referring to? |
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I'd like to fill Megan Fox's plot holes.
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I think the movie has absurd elements and a few key errors more than it has too many actual glaring plotholes. The story is overdone for dramatic purposes, like most stories, although on a truly epic level, which both helps and hurts its quality. What real plotholes does it have, that cannot be rationally explained, or are not already explained in the film? Quote:
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here is every plot hole from yahoo movies
http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/smg-...questions.html 1. In "Transformers," there was this giant battle in the middle of downtown Los Angeles -- excuse me, Mission City -- that was witnessed by thousands of people at the very least. But somehow the government was able to cover up the whole thing, and now the existence of alien robots is just an internet rumor? How did they do it? Pay off everyone who was there and quickly fix millions of dollars in damage? Also, didn't Keller (Jon Voight) go on TV and tell everyone we were being attacked by "a technological civilization far superior to our own"? How did they spin that? Shia LaBeouf 2. There are two pieces of the Allspark cube left: the military has one under lock and key, and Sam discovers another. The Decepticons steal one and bring Megatron back to life. But when Sam (Shia LaBeouf) wants to bring back Optimus, he has to find the Matrix of Leadership on the other side of the globe. Why not use the other piece? Mikaela (Megan Fox) has it in her backpack the whole time. It brought his kitchen appliances to life, why can't it do the same for Optimus? 3. Speaking of Megatron's rebirth, when the Decepticons venture deep into the ocean to revive him, the Navy crew tracking them reads five contacts. When they get down there, they tear apart one of the robots for parts to rebuild Megatron. Then as they rise to the surface, the same Navy guys say they spot six contacts. The little "Doctor" robot popped out down there, but he's about a third of the size of a person. Would he have shown up on sonar? Shia LaBeouf 4. That reminds me: even if I were to forgive the Doctor's German accent -- and director Michael Bay is asking me to forgive a lot of ridiculous accents -- why would a robot need glasses? He has little lenses that flip in front of his mechanical eyes. Couldn't he just get his eyes adjusted? You'd think with all the laser guns, someone could perform a Lasik procedure. 5. Apparently, Transformers can look like people now. How? And how is it that even though the robo-girl (Isabel Lucas) is made of metal, she can still straddle Sam without crushing him. And if Bumblebee knows something's wrong with her, why does he spit antifreeze at her instead of telling Sam? Yes, his voicebox is broken, but wasn't it fixed at the end of the last movie? Megan Fox 6. The Fallen is the last of the Primes, since they all sacrificed themselves to stop him from destroying the sun. But then he says that Optimus is a descendant of the Primes. First, Transformers have kids? And second, how could he descend from them if they were all dead? And if the Fallen could only be destroyed by a Prime, why didn't the originals just gang up on him back in the day? And what makes Optimus so special, anyway? Megatron beat him earlier, but all it takes is a few spare parts from creaky old Jetfire for him to take out the Fallen? 7. Sam, Mikaela, and Simmons (John Turturro) go to the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum in Washington D.C. to find Jetfire. Then they walk out the back onto a wide open field with old planes and mountains in the distance. When did the National Mall start to look so much like to Tucson, AZ (where they really filmed that scene)? Megan Fox 8. The geography is just as bad when they go to Egypt. The stone city of Petra in Jordan is over 250 miles away, over mountainous terrain, with few paved roads and the Israeli border between them, so how can they drive from one to the other in a couple of hours. And the Pyramids are said to be shooting distance from the Mediterranean, but they are actually well over 80 miles inland. Even if the Navy ship had a secret rail gun, and even if the captain would take an order to fire from a former agent of a government branch that no longer exists (over a walkie-talkie that inexplicably starts working again), how could it hit a moving target from that distance? 9. Sam briefly dies and goes to Robot Heaven. Robot Heaven?!?! Megan Fox 10. Where does Sam's bandage come from? What about his extra sock? Why does Sam's roommate not contribute anything at all? What was the Fallen doing for those thousands of years Megatron was frozen in ice? How does one satellite receive transmissions from everywhere on the planet? Why does Wheelie hump Mikaela's leg? Why do we have to see John Turturro's thong? Why are robots who join together to become Devastator also seen fighting the Army at the same time? Why does the government want only our military fighting Decepticons when our weapons seem unable to make so much as a dent on any of them? Why did the ancient Egyptians build a pyramid around the sun-destroying machines instead of just breaking it? Why is the Matrix of Leadership bigger in the Fallen's hand than in Sam's? And how do Mikaela's pants stay so clean?
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2. Already answered this one in my OP 3. this one isnt So much a Plot hole, as a Mistake pure and simple [unless they are counting the Doctor/ or they brought the remains of the Dead Bot with them] 4.the "glasses" were built into the robot ,so that was the Doctors method of Adjusting its eyes [Over analyzing much?] 5. How: Robot in DISGUISE , Why isn't she Crushing him :Shes made of light weight metal IF Bubleebee knew their was soem htign wrong why didnt he warn sam: Bee didnt he was jsut tryign to keep sam from cheetign on Mikela Isnt his voicebox broken: Yes it is its still bothering him, and He was playing it up, Gawd danmit Its not that hard to Pay attention 6. TIS DESTINY! 7. No Excuse for this one 8.its Superscience , 9.Well of The All Spark , LOOK IT UP! 10. these are all nit picks |
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Where is it said that Shia knows how the Decepticons brought Megatron back to life? And even if he knew, and did think it was possible...the shard brought the kitchen appliances to life as murderous, brainless killing machines. Hmm... Quote:
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He likes speaking through the radio. Or he has trouble doing otherwise. Pick one. All Bumblee knows is that Sam shouldn't cheat on Mikaela. I'd say he's trying pretty damn clearly in that scene to tell Sam something's "wrong", what with the bits of the car moving around and shaking and things spraying on people, but there's nothing to suggest that Bumblee knows she's a Decepticon. Quote:
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http://www.collider.com/uploads/imag..._megan_fox.jpg Anyway... This reminds me of the SIMPSONS where Bart is trying to find a geode to take to school and he holds up a bran muffin. These aren't plot holes. Plot holes are things that affect the PLOT working, not editing or script errors, or things that people just don't like or can't be bothered to pay attention to elements of the movie and reason out.
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Anyone get tired of hearing people nit-pick over Bay's Transformer films, but yet no one in their right mind would dare to nit-pick over Spider-Man 2 or any of Nolan's Batman films, huh? And of silly things too, which can easily be answers.
Or, deep in their hearts, they really enjoyed the two movies, but just can't seem to say so, because the "cool thing" to do is bash Michael Bay. And...are people dumb enough to not know that there is actually a REAL rail gun? Last edited by LightningFlash; 06-30-2009 at 09:05 PM. |
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So he couldn't even ask his own ****, haha.
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all i hear is people nit picking those films saying how they aren't as perfect as everyone thinks they are. I wish those films would be left in peace. I did enjoy tf2 tho, but I think its okay to pick it apart as long as people are lighthearted about it. Its a movie based on a toy after all.
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i dont have to, it would waste my time (plus a little reading at the begining of my post and you can see i didnt write that)
btw i saw this in IMAX and my expectations matched to the actual film, just explosions with a weak story ![]()
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What happened to the Fallen's broadcasts all over the world, is the entire planet Earth now aware of Transformers? Or was it considered a hoax?
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About Shia and his "extra sock" he didn't have an extra sock, if you look closely you can quickly see him reaching down to his foot for the sock.
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Yeah, that wasn't hard to miss. Wonder why many assume he pulled out a magical 3rd sock.
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REALLY?
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I salute you Guard and raise a finger to those who continue to bring up idiotic/trite nitpicks about this film.
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Does anyone notice a trend? This sort of thing only really happens to movies that aren't very good. Movies in the 6/6.5 and below range. Iron Man, Spider-Man 2, The Dark Knight ect don't fall into that category. Wolverine does and it got the same treatment.
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there is a subtitle that says the NEST team is 6 hours away recently after Simmons makes the phone call from Egypt. So that whole quest through the desert bit took place in a 6 hour time frame. I can forgive them for the geography messing with the Museum scene. But I think it's kind of pathetic for them to put the 'Great Pyramids' in Jordan (they cross the egyptian border, leaving Egypt before they get to the pyramids) coupled with the fact that they don't know where they are, are they in Jordan, or are they in Egypt(they're in Egypt, being rescued by Jordanian helos)? And at the same time, say that Petra is only 100miles away (maybe as the bird flies, without having to drive all the way around the southern tip of Isreal). It's kind of like saying NYC is actually in Mexico (and then forgeting whether you are in NYC or Mexico). It's just stupid. Geography should be something that is not messed with in films IMO, you end up with little kids thinking one thing, not knowing that the filmmakers are a little uneducated.
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