"Only a Prime can defeat me" The Fallen Thread!

AVEITWITHJAMON · 07-03-2009, 08:08 AM

I wish we would have gotten a little more time with him in the movie, but I really enjoyed The Fallen as a character in ROTF, Tony Todd did an amazing job of making his voice menacing and authorative, and you could really believe that Megatron would serve this guy.

His powers in the final battle were also awesome, loved it when he used his staff to raise everything in the air, thought when he tried it on Optimus, Prime just busted through the rocks and kicked his ass!

I do wish he would have done a bit better against Prime in the final fight, but we have to remember, at one point he was beating on Prime, even though Prime was powered up to hell.

Overall I thought he was a great villain with an interesting back story, and he was more than sufficient to raise the stake's from the first movie.

Drz · 07-03-2009, 08:35 AM

I know this is nitpicking but wouldn't had been just badass if he was on fire? =P Anyhow i liked the design, it truly felt Apocalyptic tbh. =)

AVEITWITHJAMON · 07-03-2009, 08:53 AM

^Yeah, I would have preferred if he would have been permanently on fire like in the comics, but he did seem to be filled with some lava-like substance which gave the impression his innards were on fire, which was a cool effect and sort of made up for it.

protocida · 07-03-2009, 06:05 PM

I loved the movie, but the Fallen was under-used.

The Caped Knight · 07-04-2009, 10:11 AM

I'm confused in IDW Revenge of the Fallen comic prequel & The novel The Fallen is trapped in a fiery trans-dimension sarcophagus aboard The Decepticons Flag ship The Nemesis . Yet in the movie The Fallen seems to have escaped his prison and is surviving on Energon life-support tubes . How'd The Fallen escape his prison ?

El_Citrus · 07-04-2009, 10:38 AM

The Fallen was a good villain with plenty of back story, but he didn't do anything until the final fight, and was beaten in around ten minutes or so, which I found a bit annoying with all this hype built up around him. I understand the Decepticons do his dirty work, but he just didn't feel ominously menacing to me.

Mr. Earle · 07-04-2009, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by El_Citrus

The Fallen was a good villain with plenty of back story, but he didn't do anything until the final fight, and was beaten in around ten minutes or so, which I found a bit annoying with all this hype built up around him. I understand the Decepticons do his dirty work, but he just didn't feel ominously menacing to me.

Thank you! I ve been discussing this for ages with Guard in the "brutal" thread.

AVEITWITHJAMON · 07-04-2009, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Kal-El 8

I'm confused in IDW Revenge of the Fallen comic prequel & The novel The Fallen is trapped in a fiery trans-dimension sarcophagus aboard The Decepticons Flag ship The Nemesis . Yet in the movie The Fallen seems to have escaped his prison and is surviving on Energon life-support tubes . How'd The Fallen escape his prison ?

The Fallen states in Defiance that once the Harvestor is located he can be freed from his prison, so once they knew were it was he was able to escape the Artefact but still wasnt that powerful. Even in ROTF I still dont think he was at full strength throughout the movie.

protocida · 07-04-2009, 12:43 PM

He was going to be in the dimensional prison in the movie, and only come to Earth in the third act, when Megatron uncovers the Sun Harvester. The novalization and the comic book adaptation, both based on an early version of the Script, feature this.

AVEITWITHJAMON · 07-04-2009, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by protocida

He was going to be in the dimensional prison in the movie, and only come to Earth in the third act, when Megatron uncovers the Sun Harvester. The novalization and the comic book adaptation, both based on an early version of the Script, feature this.

To be honest, they probably should have kept it like this. But I just figured he didnt come to Earth before because Prime was there.

Nathan · 07-04-2009, 12:47 PM

No matter who the person is, I could never believe Megatron willingly following anyone. We're talking about Megatron here, the guy who didn't even want to obey a planet sized world eater. He only did it because he would've died otherwise, but he was still looking for a way to get free.

And the Fallen in the Movie was a wuss. He chilled on the spaceship and got his ass kicked in less than a minute.

AVEITWITHJAMON · 07-04-2009, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

No matter who the person is, I could never believe Megatron willingly following anyone. We're talking about Megatron here, the guy who didn't even want to obey a planet sized world eater. He only did it because he would've died otherwise, but he was still looking for a way to get free.

With The Fallen being the first Decepticon, this would go some way to explaining why Megatron obeyed him, but anyway, I'm sure Megatron would have betrayed him given the chance, but he never really got the oppurtunity to.

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Originally Posted by Nathan

And the Fallen in the Movie was a wuss. He chilled on the spaceship and got his ass kicked in less than a minute.

He was up against a pissed off/combined Prime and IMO wasnt at full strength. He was obviously seriously deprived of energon in the movie, hence the need for the sun harvester.

Nathan · 07-04-2009, 12:52 PM

He was still juiced enough to Teleport and move tanks and giant debris around with his telekinesis.

AVEITWITHJAMON · 07-04-2009, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

He was still juiced enough to Teleport and move tanks and giant debris around with his telekinesis.

Yeah, but when he tried the telekinesis on Prime, Prime just punched through the rocks, so obviously that power was wasted on Prime. The Fallen did get some pretty lethal hits on Prime also.

protocida · 07-04-2009, 01:01 PM

I watchet the movie again, and got a feeling that Prime's presence on Earth weakned the Fallen or something. While Prime is there, he's sitting in the Nemesis, absorving Energon from hatchlings, but, in the moment Primes dies, he raises and detaches the Energon tubes of his body, like he was at full power.

The Guard · 07-04-2009, 01:02 PM

He's scared of Prime. It's pretty much that simple.

I don't know what you're all talking about in terms of "All the hype". All the hype I remember was being told The Fallen would be in the movie.

AVEITWITHJAMON · 07-04-2009, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by protocida

I watchet the movie again, and got a feeling that Prime's presence on Earth weakned the Fallen or something. While Prime is there, he's sitting in the Nemesis, absorving Energon from hatchlings, but, in the moment Primes dies, he raises and detaches the Energon tubes of his body, like he was at full power.

I dont think Prime weakens him, but the presence of a Prime obviously strikes fear into him, as only a Prime can kill him.

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Originally Posted by The Guard

He's scared of Prime. It's pretty much that simple.

Prime can kill him so of course he is scared of him, once Prime died, The Fallen came to earth, because the threat of death was eliminated.

protocida · 07-04-2009, 01:08 PM

To be fair, there was a big hype surrounding him.

Grievous · 07-04-2009, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by protocida

I watchet the movie again, and got a feeling that Prime's presence on Earth weakned the Fallen or something. While Prime is there, he's sitting in the Nemesis, absorving Energon from hatchlings, but, in the moment Primes dies, he raises and detaches the Energon tubes of his body, like he was at full power.

Now that the Fallen is dead more hatchlings can hatch so I believe we will be seeing alot more deceptions in the next movie. Anyone agree?

protocida · 07-04-2009, 01:31 PM

It's possible.

Mr. Earle · 07-04-2009, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by AVEITWITHJAMON

To be honest, they probably should have kept it like this. But I just figured he didnt come to Earth before because Prime was there.

Prime came to earth one or two years ago.

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Originally Posted by AVEITWITHJAMON

Yeah, but when he tried the telekinesis on Prime, Prime just punched through the rocks, so obviously that power was wasted on Prime. The Fallen did get some pretty lethal hits on Prime also.

He used it for the planes and prime. But when he fights prime one on one, it didnt occur to him to teleport away and throw half the pyramid or a couple of tanks on Prime.

The Guard · 07-04-2009, 01:47 PM

Whether Prime was on Earth during the first events of TRANSFORMERS is irrelevant.

The autobots were at war with the Decepticons, period. Prime was around, period, and The Fallen didn't want to risk facing him. That's why, as ROTF actually tells us, he created the Decepticons to do his work for him. Had The Fallen gone to Earth and starting stirring up some kind of trouble just because Prime wasn't there at the time, Prime and the autobots would probably have gone there, just as they did when the cube landed on Earth and the Decepticons went after it.

Nathan · 07-04-2009, 02:28 PM

Man, you really do defend anything. There wasn't anything special about Optimus, he was just good at kicking ass. We get the line that only a Prime is capable of defeating him, but they never bother to explain why. We are simply not supposed to question it. The Fallen had all the advantages and could have easily obliterate Prime before the fusion with Jetfire.

The Guard · 07-04-2009, 06:18 PM

Because there's just nothing special about kicking ass on that level.

Mr. Earle · 07-04-2009, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by The Guard

Because there's just nothing special about kicking ass on that level.

It seemed to me that Megatron and Bumblebee can kick as much ass. And they arent Primes.
But if like Marvin (in the brutal thread) said the Fallen is inherently only vulnerable to a prime's punches because its magic or whatever, then it makes some sense. Its ridiculous, but it at least makes sense.

07-03-2009, 08:08 AM	#1
AVEITWITHJAMON Terminator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Liverpool, U.K Posts: 21,400	"Only a Prime can defeat me" The Fallen Thread! I wish we would have gotten a little more time with him in the movie, but I really enjoyed The Fallen as a character in ROTF, Tony Todd did an amazing job of making his voice menacing and authorative, and you could really believe that Megatron would serve this guy. His powers in the final battle were also awesome, loved it when he used his staff to raise everything in the air, thought when he tried it on Optimus, Prime just busted through the rocks and kicked his ass! I do wish he would have done a bit better against Prime in the final fight, but we have to remember, at one point he was beating on Prime, even though Prime was powered up to hell. Overall I thought he was a great villain with an interesting back story, and he was more than sufficient to raise the stake's from the first movie. __________________ 2013: 1)Django Unchained-9(2)Star Trek Into Darkness-9(3)Iron Man 3-9(4)Evil Dead-8(5)Oblivion-8(6)The Last Stand-7.5(7)Oz: The Great And Powerful-7.5(8)Jack The Giant Slayer-7.5

07-03-2009, 08:35 AM	#2
Drz Arsenal Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 14,406	Re: "Only a Prime can defeat me" The Fallen Thread! I know this is nitpicking but wouldn't had been just badass if he was on fire? =P Anyhow i liked the design, it truly felt Apocalyptic tbh. =) __________________ "The Victory is in the Preparation." - Damian Wayne/Batman Thoughts & Rambles

07-03-2009, 08:53 AM	#3
AVEITWITHJAMON Terminator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Liverpool, U.K Posts: 21,400	Re: "Only a Prime can defeat me" The Fallen Thread! ^Yeah, I would have preferred if he would have been permanently on fire like in the comics, but he did seem to be filled with some lava-like substance which gave the impression his innards were on fire, which was a cool effect and sort of made up for it. __________________ 2013: 1)Django Unchained-9(2)Star Trek Into Darkness-9(3)Iron Man 3-9(4)Evil Dead-8(5)Oblivion-8(6)The Last Stand-7.5(7)Oz: The Great And Powerful-7.5(8)Jack The Giant Slayer-7.5

07-03-2009, 06:05 PM	#4
protocida Side-Kick Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,450	Re: "Only a Prime can defeat me" The Fallen Thread! I loved the movie, but the Fallen was under-used.

07-04-2009, 10:11 AM	#5
The Caped Knight Caped Crusader Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Gotham City Posts: 25,646	Re: "Only a Prime can defeat me" The Fallen Thread! I'm confused in IDW Revenge of the Fallen comic prequel & The novel The Fallen is trapped in a fiery trans-dimension sarcophagus aboard The Decepticons Flag ship The Nemesis . Yet in the movie The Fallen seems to have escaped his prison and is surviving on Energon life-support tubes . How'd The Fallen escape his prison ? __________________ 10.25.13

07-04-2009, 10:38 AM	#6
El_Citrus Side-Kick Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Here. Posts: 2,506	Re: "Only a Prime can defeat me" The Fallen Thread! The Fallen was a good villain with plenty of back story, but he didn't do anything until the final fight, and was beaten in around ten minutes or so, which I found a bit annoying with all this hype built up around him. I understand the Decepticons do his dirty work, but he just didn't feel ominously menacing to me.

07-04-2009, 12:43 PM	#9
protocida Side-Kick Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,450	Re: "Only a Prime can defeat me" The Fallen Thread! He was going to be in the dimensional prison in the movie, and only come to Earth in the third act, when Megatron uncovers the Sun Harvester. The novalization and the comic book adaptation, both based on an early version of the Script, feature this.

07-04-2009, 12:47 PM	#11
Nathan - Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 35,812	Re: "Only a Prime can defeat me" The Fallen Thread! No matter who the person is, I could never believe Megatron willingly following anyone. We're talking about Megatron here, the guy who didn't even want to obey a planet sized world eater. He only did it because he would've died otherwise, but he was still looking for a way to get free. And the Fallen in the Movie was a wuss. He chilled on the spaceship and got his ass kicked in less than a minute.

07-04-2009, 12:52 PM	#13
Nathan - Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 35,812	Re: "Only a Prime can defeat me" The Fallen Thread! He was still juiced enough to Teleport and move tanks and giant debris around with his telekinesis.

07-04-2009, 01:01 PM	#15
protocida Side-Kick Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,450	Re: "Only a Prime can defeat me" The Fallen Thread! I watchet the movie again, and got a feeling that Prime's presence on Earth weakned the Fallen or something. While Prime is there, he's sitting in the Nemesis, absorving Energon from hatchlings, but, in the moment Primes dies, he raises and detaches the Energon tubes of his body, like he was at full power.

07-04-2009, 01:02 PM	#16
The Guard Side-Kick Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,119	Re: "Only a Prime can defeat me" The Fallen Thread! He's scared of Prime. It's pretty much that simple. I don't know what you're all talking about in terms of "All the hype". All the hype I remember was being told The Fallen would be in the movie. __________________ Writer and Lyricist of GOTHAM'S KNIGHT: THE BATMAN MUSICAL And if I'm right The future's looking bright A symbol in the skies at night

07-04-2009, 01:08 PM	#18
protocida Side-Kick Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,450	Re: "Only a Prime can defeat me" The Fallen Thread! To be fair, there was a big hype surrounding him.

07-04-2009, 01:31 PM	#20
protocida Side-Kick Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,450	Re: "Only a Prime can defeat me" The Fallen Thread! It's possible.

07-04-2009, 01:47 PM	#22
The Guard Side-Kick Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,119	Re: "Only a Prime can defeat me" The Fallen Thread! Whether Prime was on Earth during the first events of TRANSFORMERS is irrelevant. The autobots were at war with the Decepticons, period. Prime was around, period, and The Fallen didn't want to risk facing him. That's why, as ROTF actually tells us, he created the Decepticons to do his work for him. Had The Fallen gone to Earth and starting stirring up some kind of trouble just because Prime wasn't there at the time, Prime and the autobots would probably have gone there, just as they did when the cube landed on Earth and the Decepticons went after it. __________________ Writer and Lyricist of GOTHAM'S KNIGHT: THE BATMAN MUSICAL And if I'm right The future's looking bright A symbol in the skies at night Last edited by The Guard; 07-04-2009 at 01:51 PM.

07-04-2009, 02:28 PM	#23
Nathan - Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 35,812	Re: "Only a Prime can defeat me" The Fallen Thread! Man, you really do defend anything. There wasn't anything special about Optimus, he was just good at kicking ass. We get the line that only a Prime is capable of defeating him, but they never bother to explain why. We are simply not supposed to question it. The Fallen had all the advantages and could have easily obliterate Prime before the fusion with Jetfire.

07-04-2009, 06:18 PM	#24
The Guard Side-Kick Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,119	Re: "Only a Prime can defeat me" The Fallen Thread! Because there's just nothing special about kicking ass on that level. __________________ Writer and Lyricist of GOTHAM'S KNIGHT: THE BATMAN MUSICAL And if I'm right The future's looking bright A symbol in the skies at night

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