Originally Posted by epc11223
the topic of the thread is "where does iron man 2 stand among other superheroes" which can be taken in a few different ways. is it on quality or enjoyment? or is it both? it's quite subjective. if you're going for quality, what kind of quality? technically speaking, transformers is a master piece when it comes to making big huge transformers come to life. is the story or the dialogue quite up to par? maybe not for some. now when you talk about quality, do you mean how much money it made? transformers 2 did quite well at the box office so that means it must have had repeat viewings, which means people must have enjoyed it on some level. same can be said for spider-man 2. but with that said, for the general audience most probably have not seen superman II or it is not nearly as fresh in their minds as mine,because it is a new generation of viewers. while i am only 28, i have been a huge fan of superman since i was 4 years old, so for me; spider-man 2 seems too much of a copy from superman II.
whereas transformers, while it had its many faults seemed like a more new concept and story. it may not have been what it could have or should have been, but how does one define quality? i'm going by enjoyment factor and i enjoyed transformers 1 alot more than transformers 2, but we're talking about sequels here. as a sequel, i thought transformers 2 just seemed like a fresher concept while taking things from past mythology like the matrix. i find that i can re watch transformers 2 more than spider-man 2. while transformers 2 may have been one of, if not the, worst movie you ever saw, than you are more than entitled to your opinion. transformers 2 had bad dialogue but i find as characters they didn't stray as far away from the source material as spider-man 2. spider-man 2 was almost a retread of spider-man 1 where someone who is a mentor to him turns into a bad guy, he wants to be with mj, and is dealing with his powers. spider-man 2 had some redeeming qualities but i find that it is not quite as good as the original.
Okay I'm gonna stop you here. Transformers 2's concept was muddled up and confusing. It was almost as bad as the actual execution of the concept. Concept doesn't matter though if its so terribly executed.
And thats a terrible reason to hate on Spiderman 2. It did introduce something new and had a completely new theme. The theme of Spiderman 2 was sacrifice, and its funny that you didn't realize that seeing that your top two films (The Dark Knight and Superman 2) dealed with the same thing. A hero giving up (or pondering giving up) his hero persona in order to lead a normal life. Many things were better than the original (also a good film); the action, the villain, the dialogue. Though Peter Parker was Peter Parker in a Spiderman suit instead of Spiderman, it wasn't a bad as it was going to be in 3 and I could accept because the film was good.
Meanwhile Transformers 2 was a mess. The actions wasn't as good as the first one (which I deviated to the locations of the battle and those stupid sword things). The acting was awful. The dialogue was terrible. The characters (the ones introduced in the second) were stupid. Worst of all, and I can't believe I would say this about a Transformers movie, but it was boring! It was so boring. Michael Bay managed to make a film about fighting robots boring. Worst of all, he took the only redeeming character (Optimus Prime) out of the film for most of the middle of the film. The film was just downright insulting and there's no way I'm seeing Transformers 3.