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Old 07-31-2010, 04:44 PM   #26
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Old 08-01-2010, 08:21 AM   #27
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It doesn't even really look like an \S/, and as much as like most of Ross' work, this design is one of his weakest, IMO.

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Well, that's the point. It doesn't look like a standard English letter S, which it wouldn't, as it is a Kryptonian symbol. It just so happens that you can make an S out of it. It's a more logical Superman logo. Nolan is all about logic. Therefore I think it's his bag.

By the way, the whole logo including the border makes up the S, not just the middle stripe. It's one big S connected up.

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Old 08-01-2010, 09:32 AM   #28
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^^^I can see the S in there, I guess I just don't care that much for it for the mainstream, present-day Superman. It doesn't embody Superman in my opinion in the same way as the classic symbol.

As for the Kryptonian symbol angle, I always took it that the Kryptonian symbols are actually the negative spaces in the symbol, which when put together in a shield shape, appear to look like an S to us. The comics ran with that idea in the recent New Krypton saga. But I could be wrong about that.

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Old 08-01-2010, 12:08 PM   #29
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i thought the emblem was one of the few things that SR actually got right. it's near perfect! i agree with batman44...tweak it so that it's not exactly like the SR one, but has a good resemblance.

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Old 08-01-2010, 03:51 PM   #30
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The versions I like more are the ones from SR and the electric Superman

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Old 08-02-2010, 04:14 AM   #32
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Just preferably no red on black.

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Old 08-02-2010, 09:27 AM   #34
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Maybe too dark yeah, but still red on blue would be a fresh and simple update.

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Old 08-02-2010, 11:19 AM   #35
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^^^I can see the S in there, I guess I just don't care that much for it for the mainstream, present-day Superman. It doesn't embody Superman in my opinion in the same way as the classic symbol.

As for the Kryptonian symbol angle, I always took it that the Kryptonian symbols are actually the negative spaces in the symbol, which when put together in a shield shape, appear to look like an S to us. The comics ran with that idea in the recent New Krypton saga. But I could be wrong about that.

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You're not wrong, but that's just one of many versions of the creation of the logo. Legend has it that it was Marlon Brando's idea in the first place for the 1978 movie. John Byrne went with the Golden Age idea that the S logo is just something Jonathan Kent came up with. Birthright has it that it's the Kryptonian symbol for Hope, not exclusively the House of El.

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Old 08-02-2010, 11:53 AM   #36
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I dont necessarily want a logic or demystifying explanation for the emblem or the suit, but I'd like to see how or why he got it in the first place.

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Old 08-02-2010, 10:43 PM   #37
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What parts or elements from the classic and SR did you use to create that "S", gdw?

BTW, I like this idea of taking the halves or elements from of established Superman shields, and putting them together to make a retro approach that doesn't add a attempted new ideal "S", but instead takes old greater "S"s and still use those elements that, while still makes a new ideal one, keeps the old designs and have them last longer.

I wonder what other combo "S"s (I couldn't come up with a better term) you can do, gdw, or anyone else her for that matter. For example, since this is the third series line of the Superman film franchise (followed by Reeve and Routh), why not combine the halves or elements of Reeve's "S" with Routh's "S"? Any takers?

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Old 08-03-2010, 03:22 PM   #38
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What parts or elements from the classic and SR did you use to create that "S", gdw?

BTW, I like this idea of taking the halves or elements from of established Superman shields, and putting them together to make a retro approach that doesn't add a attempted new ideal "S", but instead takes old greater "S"s and still use those elements that, while still makes a new ideal one, keeps the old designs and have them last longer.

I wonder what other combo "S"s (I couldn't come up with a better term) you can do, gdw, or anyone else her for that matter. For example, since this is the third series line of the Superman film franchise (followed by Reeve and Routh), why not combine the halves or elements of Reeve's "S" with Routh's "S"? Any takers?
I basically started with the returns emblem as a reference for the basic shape, and mapped out the outline in vectors. Then I just tweaked it a bit, bringing the centre part of the "s" down a bit, modified the top tip of the "s" to be a bit more like the merchandising classic but not quite as big as they usually make it. Also rounded the bottom tip, though I like it both rounded and angled.

And of course the bevel. In the end it looks mostly like the classic , but with a slightly smaller upper tip, the middle of the "s" being higher than usual, but not as high as the Returns' one, and the lower part of the "s" being curved more like Returns', but rounded like the classic.

As for combining with the Reeve's , I've always viewed Reeve's \S/ as a failed attempt at the classic. It looks like there were parts of it that just didn't sit where they were supposed to, rather than being intentionally designed that way.

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Old 08-03-2010, 03:25 PM   #39
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They shouldn´t make the emblem complete 3d like in returns but they should make it like the spider-man suit and emblem, made of rubber and a bit 3d but something that audiences would find cool.

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They shouldn´t make the emblem complete 3d like in returns but they should make it like the spider-man suit and emblem, made of rubber and a bit 3d but something that audiences would find cool.
The one on his chest, or his back? The one on his chest, along with the webbing, was just as raised as the Returns' \S/

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Old 08-03-2010, 03:47 PM   #41
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I like it but not for a movie. Who's the actor? It looks like an older Brandon Routh.

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Old 08-03-2010, 04:56 PM   #42
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It is Brandon Routh.

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Old 08-03-2010, 06:34 PM   #43
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http://metropolisplus.com/Superman ought to prove a very handy resource for manippers.

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Old 08-04-2010, 09:08 PM   #44
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The best and realistic emblem would have to be a 2D (not 3D), 2D shield. Why? Well I like the costume being made by Clark's mom (its in all the comics, L&C, and recently in SV, so why not use it as it works), and so a 2D shield would fit with this direction. A 2D shield would be like making the blue suit with a section that's yellow, then placing the red "S" and crest over it. And the best and primary example of this is Lee Bermejo's Superman:


Then again his, Lee's, and Ross' Superman would be a prime Superman if all put together.


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Old 08-05-2010, 04:11 PM   #45
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Can anyone try to put gold over yellow to see how it would look?
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Old 08-05-2010, 04:40 PM   #47
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Can someone with Photoshop skills give the classic \S/ the Superman Returns shield treatment, i.e., give it some three-dimensionality?

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Old 08-06-2010, 04:00 PM   #48
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Can anyone try to put gold over yellow to see how it would look?
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I want to FINALLY see the official, classic \S/ as finalized by Wayne Boring and refined by Curt Swan. It's always bugged me that the \S/ used most in comics and merchandising has never been faithfully adapted to screen. I also don't think it needs any changing whatsoever:

The logo used on the movie/tv suits is basically just a variant of this logo. It's not precisely the same, but it has many similarities, such as where the S makes contact with the border. Also, the comics don't always use this exact logo, sometimes it's just as different from the copyrighted logo as the one on the live action suits.

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