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Old 01-30-2011, 07:41 PM   #26
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i'd rather see mandarin, but it'd be cool if fin fang foom also showed up. i think he may be one step too far into fantasy by himself, but mandarin would be able to ground him a little. i don't think i'd like to see ultimo though

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Old 01-30-2011, 07:49 PM   #27
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Of course, I want to see Mandarin also. But, in regard to other armored villains he could face, I'd go themed.

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Old 01-30-2011, 08:00 PM   #28
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Tony has wanted James to be a part of it, even in the first film.. in the second film tony relize that he cant do it on his own and needs a partner here and there..

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Old 01-30-2011, 08:14 PM   #29
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Even Fin Fang Foom?
Yeah. Mandarin's his #1 villain, he's a must for the next one. Cap's going up against Red Skull, Thor/Loki, Hulk/Abomination, IM needs his signature villain to show up. FFF would be nice but I doubt they'd go that route.

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If they could manage Whiplash, then I see no reason for characters like Blizzard or the Melter. However, I would've liked Iron Man to fight all three in Iron Man 2 a la Casino Fatale/ Pieces of Hate. That would've been more fitting if Justin Hammer was in the movie as well.

There are also other characters like the Unicorn or as someone said, Living Laser.

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Another idea to bring in non armored villains like Blizzard, Whirlwind, Firebrand and Earthmover is to go the dtv Invincible Iron Man movie route. Have Mandarin control them, call them the Elementals and update them to kinda look like this.

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Or just have Hammer get out of jail, seek revenge on Pepper and use them.

Though having too many villains usually always ruins a movie, so just use two of them or so.

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Old 02-01-2011, 03:34 PM   #32
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Iron Man's non-armored villains had better be bullet/rocket/repulsor proof or at least durable enough to, I dunno, actually fight Iron Man, or else it'll be a short movie.

Look at Iron Man 2, Whiplash was "fine in his first battle, but at the climax he was just Iron Monger again, with whips", which is true, and also probably because Vanko wanted to kill Stark in person, and he got his ass completely kicked in the first "battle" (if you can call two one-sided conflicts that occur back to back a battle) as soon as Tony got his armor on. He built himself Iron Man-like armor because (1) he was already using the same or similar tech, and (2) he needed to protect himself.
I agree. Even in the comics, with the exceptions of the Mandarin and the Ghost, it never made much sense to me how guys like, Blizzard, comics Whiplash, Spymaster, etc. were able to stand toe-to-toe with IM and walk away alive.

I think the idea of themed suits is the way to go.

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In all reality, out of all the main Iron Man villains left only two require big metal suits, the rest can get away without having Iron Monger type suits.

For Mandarin, they should give him a suit similar to the pic I posted just above, it has protection but it doesn't look like a bulky armor. Plus his rings protect him from most anything IM throws at him.

Ghost, well he's the Ghost doesn't need an armor.

For guys like Blizzard, Spymaster, Living Laser (if they don't go the all electrical route) just have a quick explination on how their suits can withstand repulsor blasts and other fire power, similar to the way Ezekiel Stane did when he make his suit in the comics. He didn't have to go the all armor route like his old man. Have Hammer make the suits.

Titanium Man and Crimson Dynamo, just make them distinct from all the others, no need to make the same tired tall, gray, generic looking suit. Have CD use his electrical power set, have TM tower over Iron Man in both the suit and the actor.

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Iron Man will be fighting alongside a super-solider, a gamma-spawned monster and a Norse God, among others, in The Avengers. The idea that the Mandarin et al are too outlandish for the tech-based Iron Man of the movies won't make much sense after that.

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Wonder Man would be nice. Take the Wonder Man EMH episode as an inspiration but change the Masters Of Evil to the Ten Rings...

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Iron Man will be fighting alongside a super-solider, a gamma-spawned monster and a Norse God, among others, in The Avengers. The idea that the Mandarin et al are too outlandish for the tech-based Iron Man of the movies won't make much sense after that.
Wait what? Mandarin is and always has been tech based. Alien tech but still tech based. There was never anything magical or mystical about him. I don't know how outlandish it will be if they're going to tell the story of Fin Fang Foom and the other five Makluan dragons' alien ship crash landing on Earth and Mandarin finding the rings that controlled the ship and mastering Makluan science. Or if they're going to just have Mandarin creating the rings.

As far as the rest, yes they're tech based as well. Ghost isn't some dead guy that came back to life, his suit is tech based, Blizzard isn't Bobby Drake's long lost cousin or some short Frost Giant, his suit is also tech based. Same goes for Living Laser or the Melter.

Iron Man's main rogues gallery, with the exception of Fin Fang Foom, aren't mutants, wizards, or ghouls and ghosts. They're all guys in fancy suits built with Justin Hammer's funding or Communist Russia.

If people don't want someone like Blizzard to have some big hulking armor, sure I can agree with that, but as it was said before, they need protection, they need a quick explanation on how the suits can withstand IM's firepower, otherwise it will be a short fight or there will be new complaints similar to the ones when Spider-Man punched Doc Ock repeatedly without him flinching.

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Thinking on it, having Mandarin and FFF would work on a few levels. It'd basically be a high tech version of those stories with knights in shining armor fighting even wizards and dragons.

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Old 02-02-2011, 11:45 AM   #38
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Thinking on it, having Mandarin and FFF would work on a few levels. It'd basically be a high tech version of those stories with knights in shining armor fighting even wizards and dragons.
That would be cool. I remember Favreau saying he didn't want to use Mandarin and FFF together because of the Mummy 3.

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Old 02-02-2011, 10:03 PM   #39
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I think the best way to do the Mandarin is to have him have his rings but also an armored suit powered by the rings that way he can shoot out all kinds of stuff tony hasn't seen. Just dont have the suit look all bulky..

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That sounds horrible. The Mandarin isn't an armored guy, and he isn't a wizard. The Mandarin is a schemer and a warrior, and has more in common with Prometheus, Deathstroke, or Bane than Merlin or Evil Iron Man number 5924.

Write him as the evil Deathstroke type he is. He should be doing things like letting loose a bunch of villains to weaken Iron Man, then doing something low-key with the rings like freezing Iron Man's boot-jets when he's weakened, and going in and breaking Iron Man's back with his Chi amped martial arts. That's a lot closer to how comic Mandarin is than all of this armor or wizard crap I keep hearing here.

I don't want them to mess up The Mandarin like they messed up Doom. They massively changed Doom from the comics and it sucked.

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Old 02-04-2011, 12:07 AM   #41
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Wait what? Mandarin is and always has been tech based. Alien tech but still tech based. There was never anything magical or mystical about him. .
That's not completely true. He's been said to use magic to enhance his tech a few times, and his martial arts are mystic. However, it's always been subtle, and never remotely to the extent that he could be called a wizard type of character.

Rather, it would be more accurate to call him the ultimate opportunist and predator. He'll use a piece of tech taken from aliens here, a bit of stolen starktech there, a stolen spell here, a bit of mystic chi martial arts he conned a wiseman into teaching him there, and put it all together in a soup of stolen badassery.

That's the key to understanding him, he's a thieving oppurtunistic bastard who will use anything, science, alien junk, magic, mystic martial arts, whatever to advance himself.

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I dont think Iron Man fighting other Iron Men is the problem, the 2nd movie had the right idea in that everyone would want to copy this technology this would happen in the real world, so he is bound to be fighting other versions of his armour at some point.

The problem I had with the end fight in the 2nd movie, apart from the fact i'd have missed it if I blinked was that Vanko completely under-mined Tony's genius, as did the rest of the movie, Vanko was able to build a suit far more powerful than Tony's (his mach 6 armour no less) once he had the resources. He built a suit that took on Tony's latest armour and a pimped out version of his older armour and pretty much owned the fight. It made Tony look a lot less of a genius than he looked in the first movie.

What they should have done was have the drones attacking Tony and Rhodey with them fighting Whiplash at the same time, it would have shown that Whiplash needed help to beat them both and wouldnt have under-mined Tony Stark as character.

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That's not completely true. He's been said to use magic to enhance his tech a few times, and his martial arts are mystic. However, it's always been subtle, and never remotely to the extent that he could be called a wizard type of character.

Rather, it would be more accurate to call him the ultimate opportunist and predator. He'll use a piece of tech taken from aliens here, a bit of stolen starktech there, a stolen spell here, a bit of mystic chi martial arts he conned a wiseman into teaching him there, and put it all together in a soup of stolen badassery.

That's the key to understanding him, he's a thieving oppurtunistic bastard who will use anything, science, alien junk, magic, mystic martial arts, whatever to advance himself.
Yeah, that's the best way to describe him.

And I'm not disagreeing with you, I know about how he can go years without food and water living off his Chi and how he can crack Iron Man's armor with his martial arts skills. But there's always this misconception that Mandarins rings are pure magic.

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The hardest part about Mandarin is going to be how to avoid making him look like a racist Fu Manchu type character. It's kind of unavoidable that he's going to be a villainous Asian guy with "mystical" powers, because that's been part of the character since his inception, but hopefully they don't give him a ridiculous accent.

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Personally I think should sound like The Kurgan or Xerxes from "300". He's the heir of Genghis Khan, and the ultimate barbarian warlord, and this should be subtly played up.

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The hardest part about Mandarin is going to be how to avoid making him look like a racist Fu Manchu type character. It's kind of unavoidable that he's going to be a villainous Asian guy with "mystical" powers, because that's been part of the character since his inception, but hopefully they don't give him a ridiculous accent.
I thought the way he was done in the GN 'Haunted' was a perfect way to do him in a modern setting.

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I thought the way he was done in the GN 'Haunted' was a perfect way to do him in a modern setting.


That's about the best way to go with Mandarin. Even though he doesn't need an armor in the books, they'll give him the obligatory armor in the movie, so he should get a lightweight unnoticeable armor covered by his robes. Kind of what Dr Doom or Kang have, but more lightweight and really unnoticeable. Definitely no Robo-Shredder like the Teen Iron Man animated series had.

He should be a combination of this



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^That would be perfect, I wouldnt even mind him having robotic hands like in Haunted as well.

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Shellhead fighting terrorists - fine. Fighting aeroplanes - fine. Fighting one evil Iron Monger - fine.

But Iron Man - alongside a more heavily-armed Iron Man - fighting hordes of Iron Man-based drones, and then an Iron Whiplash....Iron Man isn't unique anymore. He should be called 'an Iron Man, one of many'. What makes him special and unique isn't special or unique anymore.

When you watch Iron Man fighting the terrorists, you see how amazing and awe-inspiring he is. When he's just one of many CGI tin suits on a battlefield, he's no longer intresting any more.
I'm sick of this too. They need to fix it in Iron Man 3.

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I like the idea that Mandarin would be behind ta whole Armor Wars type of scenario for the next film. He's got Iron Man's technology as well as his own and he proceeds to shell it out over the black market to all sorts of criminals(both individuals and organizations) in an attempt to up-end the western world.

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