Do you wish Katie was in TDK, or do you wish Maggie was in BB?

Rocketman · 04-05-2011, 05:02 PM

The past is the past, I know.

BUT, when I watch both films back to back, it's sooo annoying to see the lack of continuity in Rachel's casting.

So, for the sake of continuity, if you had the choice to go back in time, would you originally cast Maggie as Rachel in BB, or would you have Katie return for TDK?

Personally, I would have Maggie in both films.

NOTE: Ignore Tom Cruise and their personal lives, and just look at both ladies' performances themselves.

The Joker · 04-05-2011, 07:18 PM

Maggie. She can act.

Katie, she was so bad the Razzies scooped her into their nominations.

Rocketman · 04-05-2011, 07:23 PM

Batman Begins was nominated for a Razzie!?

The Joker · 04-05-2011, 07:28 PM

LOL, god no!

Katie Holmes was for her role as Rachel.

El Payaso · 04-05-2011, 07:41 PM

Yes, and we could have Schumacher directing Begins and all that.

I Am The Knight · 04-05-2011, 09:43 PM

Personally I would have had Holmes back for the sequel. Apart from a few scenes in BB I thought she was fine. Plus it would've been fun to see her reunite with Eckhart after TYFS.

Excelsior. · 04-05-2011, 09:57 PM

The latter.

Happy Jack · 04-05-2011, 11:21 PM

Ideally Gyllenhaal would've played the role in both films.

Excelsior. · 04-05-2011, 11:32 PM

Ideally Rachel Dawes shouldn't have even existed. It should've been Harvey Dent in her place.

Happy Jack · 04-05-2011, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Nuffsaid

Ideally Rachel Dawes shouldn't have even existed. It should've been Harvey Dent in her place.

Arguable. However I think she worked as a love interest for Bruce, but more than that a (hollow) chance at a normal life for him, fulfilling a sort of Andrea Beaumont role. And her significance was raised much further in TDK with her relationship with Harvey, not to mention she's the only good guy in the film not to compromise.

Rocketman · 04-06-2011, 12:58 AM

Ultimately, Rachel shouldn't have existed. I agree.
We didn't NEED a love interest in these films. It would've been yet another bold and ballsy move on Nolan's part.

If anything, Selina Kyle could've replaced Rachel's time as a small time thief who eventually rises in power.

Fudgie · 04-06-2011, 06:28 AM

Maggie

Spider-Fan83 · 04-06-2011, 07:18 AM

I probably would of preferred someone different all together...
(having to recast character in-between movie wasn’t ideal)

though, it is kind of an ironic question, as more or less (not that she wasn't cast based on her talent, as well) but, she was also cast somewhat do to her resemblance to Katie... therefore, had Katie not been in the first one, Maggie probably wouldn't of been considered

but, as for the question at hand... if I had to choose, I'd go with Maggie for both

SuperFerret · 04-06-2011, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy Jack

Arguable. However I think she worked as a love interest for Bruce, but more than that a (hollow) chance at a normal life for him, fulfilling a sort of Andrea Beaumont role. And her significance was raised much further in TDK with her relationship with Harvey, not to mention she's the only good guy in the film not to compromise.

You say that as if it's an honorable quality.

Ipodman · 04-06-2011, 07:43 AM

I'll say Holmes for both movies. She looks more like a princess that you want to save.

DieSmiling · 04-06-2011, 07:43 AM

I would have preferred Gyllenhaal in both films, but don't feel strongly about it.

The Joker · 04-06-2011, 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperFerret

You say that as if it's an honorable quality.

In Batman's world it is

Optimus_Prime_ · 04-06-2011, 10:42 AM

I believe Holmes won the Razzie, congrats on that.

Frankly I would've nixed the character altogether. I think Iron Man is a good template for how romance should be handled in the Bat-films. I have no qualms with Batman having a love interest, but having his fawn over a girl who doesn't really love him back (i.e. putting ole' Bats in the "friend zone") doesn't work for me at all. What I would've preferred is Nolan slowly develop Selina Kyle over the course of a few movies. Start her off as an ancillary character, then slowly develop a romance between the two (as well as showing her journey to becoming Catwoman - perhaps by the second or third film). I didn't mind the 'childhood friend' aspect, but I always thought giving that role to Dent - despite being antithetical to the comics - would've worked A LOT better.

The whole 'friend zone' aspect was really odd? Interesting, but odd. Not entirely against his persona per say

El Payaso · 04-06-2011, 12:03 PM

As some of you said, either Maggie on both or no Rachel at all. That's a good couple of alternatives.

Pfeiffer-Pfan · 04-06-2011, 01:21 PM

I honestly didn't mind Katie Holmes in Batman Begins... so for the sake of continuity I would of preferred if she returned for The Dark Knight.

BUT Maggie is the FAR superior actress and after watching her in The Dark Knight, I wish she would have been cast in Batman Begins. I really thought her performance was great.

So really... I don't know.

The whole character kind of fell flat anyway... But perhaps we would have connected to her slightly more if she was played by Maggie through the two films.

hopefuldreamer · 04-06-2011, 01:23 PM

Maggie in both.

If Katie had been in TDK, there would be a parts I wouldn't like so much.

SuperFerret · 04-06-2011, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joker

In Batman's world it is

Nah, in Batman's world, it's stupid and dangerous. In fact, that's kind of the whole point of The Dark Knight. Sure, Batman didn't break his "one rule", but he did have to resort to underhanded tactics and exploitation of private technology in order to defeat the Joker. Rachel's way would've gotten more people killed.

bunk · 04-06-2011, 08:05 PM

They seemed about equal to me. Maggie was somehow more annoying which caught me by surprise.

I Am The Knight · 04-06-2011, 08:12 PM

I always found it funny how all the men wanted Maggie in TDK.

Ipodman · 04-06-2011, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by I Am The Knight

I always found it funny how all the men wanted Maggie in TDK.

Even Gordon? O.O

04-05-2011, 05:02 PM	#1
Rocketman Side-Kick Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,256	Do you wish Katie was in TDK, or do you wish Maggie was in BB? The past is the past, I know. BUT, when I watch both films back to back, it's sooo annoying to see the lack of continuity in Rachel's casting. So, for the sake of continuity, if you had the choice to go back in time, would you originally cast Maggie as Rachel in BB, or would you have Katie return for TDK? Personally, I would have Maggie in both films. NOTE: Ignore Tom Cruise and their personal lives, and just look at both ladies' performances themselves.

04-05-2011, 07:18 PM	#2
The Joker Clown Prince of Crime Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Jollity Farm Posts: 33,698	Re: Do you wish Katie was in TDK, or do you wish Maggie was in BB? Maggie. She can act. Katie, she was so bad the Razzies scooped her into their nominations. __________________ "Sometimes I remember it one way. Sometimes another. If I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice!" - The Joker

04-05-2011, 07:23 PM	#3
Rocketman Side-Kick Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,256	Re: Do you wish Katie was in TDK, or do you wish Maggie was in BB? Batman Begins was nominated for a Razzie!?

04-05-2011, 07:28 PM	#4
The Joker Clown Prince of Crime Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Jollity Farm Posts: 33,698	Re: Do you wish Katie was in TDK, or do you wish Maggie was in BB? LOL, god no! Katie Holmes was for her role as Rachel. __________________ "Sometimes I remember it one way. Sometimes another. If I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice!" - The Joker

04-05-2011, 07:41 PM	#5
El Payaso Banned User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Rubbing your rhubarb. Posts: 15,263	Re: Do you wish Katie was in TDK, or do you wish Maggie was in BB? Yes, and we could have Schumacher directing Begins and all that.

04-05-2011, 09:43 PM	#6
I Am The Knight In the Welsh Join Date: May 2005 Location: The Bale-Cave Posts: 11,718	Re: Do you wish Katie was in TDK, or do you wish Maggie was in BB? Personally I would have had Holmes back for the sequel. Apart from a few scenes in BB I thought she was fine. Plus it would've been fun to see her reunite with Eckhart after TYFS. __________________ Before SHH, your miserable, insignificant little life was laughable. Now that you've found SHH*, have you noticed you've become more popular? Suddenly* EVERYONE wants to hang out with you. SHH. You owe us your livelihood.**

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Excelsior. Side-Kick Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: New York Posts: 8,998	Re: Do you wish Katie was in TDK, or do you wish Maggie was in BB? The latter. __________________ "If you want to save yourself the ticket price, go into the kitchen, cue up a male choir singing the music of hell, and get a kid to start banging pots and pans together. Then close your eyes and use your imagination." - Roger Ebert on Revenge of the Fallen.

04-05-2011, 11:21 PM	#8
Happy Jack Dickensian Archetype Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: The Depths Posts: 5,206	Re: Do you wish Katie was in TDK, or do you wish Maggie was in BB? Ideally Gyllenhaal would've played the role in both films. __________________ This should be agony I should be a mass of aching muscle Broken, spent, unable to move And were I an older man, I surely would But I'm a man of thirty, of twenty again The rain on my chest is a baptism I'm born again

04-05-2011, 11:32 PM	#9
Excelsior. Side-Kick Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: New York Posts: 8,998	Re: Do you wish Katie was in TDK, or do you wish Maggie was in BB? Ideally Rachel Dawes shouldn't have even existed. It should've been Harvey Dent in her place. __________________ "If you want to save yourself the ticket price, go into the kitchen, cue up a male choir singing the music of hell, and get a kid to start banging pots and pans together. Then close your eyes and use your imagination." - Roger Ebert on Revenge of the Fallen.

04-06-2011, 12:58 AM	#11
Rocketman Side-Kick Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,256	Re: Do you wish Katie was in TDK, or do you wish Maggie was in BB? Ultimately, Rachel shouldn't have existed. I agree. We didn't NEED a love interest in these films. It would've been yet another bold and ballsy move on Nolan's part. If anything, Selina Kyle could've replaced Rachel's time as a small time thief who eventually rises in power.

04-06-2011, 06:28 AM	#12
Fudgie Side-Kick Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,942	Re: Do you wish Katie was in TDK, or do you wish Maggie was in BB? Maggie

04-06-2011, 07:18 AM	#13
Spider-Fan83 Thwip Thwip Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 5,186	Re: Do you wish Katie was in TDK, or do you wish Maggie was in BB? I probably would of preferred someone different all together... (having to recast character in-between movie wasn’t ideal) though, it is kind of an ironic question, as more or less (not that she wasn't cast based on her talent, as well) but, she was also cast somewhat do to her resemblance to Katie... therefore, had Katie not been in the first one, Maggie probably wouldn't of been considered but, as for the question at hand... if I had to choose, I'd go with Maggie for both

04-06-2011, 07:43 AM	#15
Ipodman Love Tension Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8,780	Re: Do you wish Katie was in TDK, or do you wish Maggie was in BB? I'll say Holmes for both movies. She looks more like a princess that you want to save.

04-06-2011, 07:43 AM	#16
DieSmiling WINNING Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,244	Re: Do you wish Katie was in TDK, or do you wish Maggie was in BB? I would have preferred Gyllenhaal in both films, but don't feel strongly about it. __________________ When supervillains want to scare each other they tell Joker stories.

04-06-2011, 10:42 AM	#18
Optimus_Prime_ Banned User Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 5,685	Re: Do you wish Katie was in TDK, or do you wish Maggie was in BB? I believe Holmes won the Razzie, congrats on that. Frankly I would've nixed the character altogether. I think Iron Man is a good template for how romance should be handled in the Bat-films. I have no qualms with Batman having a love interest, but having his fawn over a girl who doesn't really love him back (i.e. putting ole' Bats in the "friend zone") doesn't work for me at all. What I would've preferred is Nolan slowly develop Selina Kyle over the course of a few movies. Start her off as an ancillary character, then slowly develop a romance between the two (as well as showing her journey to becoming Catwoman - perhaps by the second or third film). I didn't mind the 'childhood friend' aspect, but I always thought giving that role to Dent - despite being antithetical to the comics - would've worked A LOT better. The whole 'friend zone' aspect was really odd? Interesting, but odd. Not entirely against his persona per say Last edited by Optimus_Prime_; 04-08-2011 at 08:48 AM.

04-06-2011, 12:03 PM	#19
El Payaso Banned User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Rubbing your rhubarb. Posts: 15,263	Re: Do you wish Katie was in TDK, or do you wish Maggie was in BB? As some of you said, either Maggie on both or no Rachel at all. That's a good couple of alternatives.

04-06-2011, 01:21 PM	#20
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04-06-2011, 01:23 PM	#21
hopefuldreamer I will find him! Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: South West, UK Posts: 9,178	Re: Do you wish Katie was in TDK, or do you wish Maggie was in BB? Maggie in both. If Katie had been in TDK, there would be a parts I wouldn't like so much. __________________ Hopefuldreamer's Countdown to MOS! 25 days to go! (3 weeks and 4 days!) "Dreams save us. Dreams lift us up and transform us. And on my soul, I swear... until my dream of a world where dignity, honor and justice becomes the reality we all share -- I'll never stop fighting. Ever." - Superman

04-06-2011, 08:05 PM	#23
bunk superhero fan Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 9,405	Re: Do you wish Katie was in TDK, or do you wish Maggie was in BB? They seemed about equal to me. Maggie was somehow more annoying which caught me by surprise. __________________ If Jessica Biel has a son, she should name him Batmo. —The internet

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