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Old 10-22-2010, 08:21 PM   #251
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On subject, I adore Superman The Movie, great film, but I don't think it's perfect or flawless. It has its faults as most films. There are parts about it that simply make me cringe.

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Got a second grader to watch some of this today. He asked, "Is that Superman?" Made me feel all warm inside.

For the first time today, I noticed something I found to be pretty funny. When Otis goes to buy a newspaper, you can see the top portion of an issue of Club magazine, just the title. Club is a porno mag.

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Old 10-26-2010, 04:57 PM   #254
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I really wish I could love, heck, even enjoy the Superman movie. As I love everything about it, the actors, the effects, the design, the writing, but then Lex, and pre-crisis Superman... it's just too hard to watch. Even though I don't like mad scentist Lex, I would have prefered him, over the "evil real estate developer." And the movie, just feels kind of runined for me when you find out Superman can just rewind time, and yes, I understand he was angry and it was most likely a one time deal; but you can't really feel tension for a man who is all powerful like that. It's boring.

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Old 10-29-2010, 04:14 PM   #255
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Uhmm, who do you think designed and installed all the security measures in Luthor's lair? Who calculated the precise impact point on the fault line? Who knew how to recalibrate the missiles' trajectory? Who built and installed the remote controls in the car Luthor wrecked to distract the military convoy. Who built an alpha wave detection device out of prison scraps, and a 3-d hologram projector to fool the guard?

Say what you want about Silver Age Almighty Superman turning back time, but in no way is Luthor merely an "evil real estate developer".

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Luthor may not have been the evil scientist from the Silver Age, but he was still a highly intelligent, psychotic man who cared for no life other than his own and hated Superman just because of what he stood for. Sounds like Lex to me.

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The Greatest Superman Movie Ever. Clark Was Clark. Superman Was Superman And Lex Was Lex. I See No Problem With This Move.

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Old 03-19-2011, 01:21 PM   #259
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I only watch expanded cut of Superman.Superman with X2,batman begins and the Dark Knight are In my book the best comic book films peroid.

When i watch Superman II I only watch the Donner Cut.

Christopher reeve will always be Superman to me.After seeing Brandon routh continue In Superman Returns and watching rebbot of Tom Welling In Clark Kent's journary to Superman on SMallville just not enthurstic about another reboot In The Man of Steel.
Especilly when It remains to be seen If people doing It realize you have to do Superman different than batman.

Plus more need to realize so many of the suffeful comic book films are Influenced by what Richard Donner did with Superman.

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Old 04-16-2011, 05:56 PM   #260
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I only watch expanded cut of Superman.Superman with X2,batman begins and the Dark Knight are In my book the best comic book films peroid.
My list would include Batman 89 and Spider-man 2, but I yeah agree.

Seeing Superman as a child is one of my earliest movie going experiences and it has impacted me ever since. It wasn't until The Dark Knight came along that I would even put a Superhero movie on that same level.
Being the best movie about a Superhero may be debateable, but Superman will always be the greatest Superehero movie. There's a difference.

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Old 04-16-2011, 06:19 PM   #261
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Simple as that. And I think if you asked Sam Raimi or Bryan Singer, they'd agree.

Even though this movie was made in 1978, even though special effects have evolved nine fold since then, even though TDK was an Oscar calibre movie, even though the movie is painfully dated in the 1970s, Superman the Movie is still the greatest superhero movie ever made in larger part because it presented itself as a modern day mythology that gave respect to that mythology and took it seriously and as a result the epicness that was intended by the film makers was successfully translated on film.

This lack of respect and taking the mythology seriously was apparent by Superman III when the studio though that merely sticking the Superman label onto an inferior product would be sufficient to giving them the bottom line results they wanted.

I expect that TDKR will be the movie that creatively will finally replace Superman the movie as greatest superhero movie of all time but it should be the expectations of WB, Nolan and Co. to make MOS the movie to displace it whether they are successful in their intention or not. Why make this movie if you don't think you can do it better.

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Old 04-23-2011, 02:53 PM   #262
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Even though this movie was made in 1978, even though special effects have evolved nine fold since then, even though TDK was an Oscar calibre movie, even though the movie is painfully dated in the 1970s, Superman the Movie is still the greatest superhero movie ever made in larger part because it presented itself as a modern day mythology that gave respect to that mythology and took it seriously and as a result the epicness that was intended by the film makers was successfully translated on film.

This lack of respect and taking the mythology seriously was apparent by Superman III when the studio though that merely sticking the Superman label onto an inferior product would be sufficient to giving them the bottom line results they wanted.

I expect that TDKR will be the movie that creatively will finally replace Superman the movie as greatest superhero movie of all time but it should be the expectations of WB, Nolan and Co. to make MOS the movie to displace it whether they are successful in their intention or not. Why make this movie if you don't think you can do it better.


When they had Richard Pryor ski off the top of a skyscraper and live, I knew they'd lost the plot and all pretense that they were actually treating the subject matter seriously. The buffoonery started to get out of hand somewhat with Lester's Superman 2, but kicked into high gear in S3. I hope MOS is totally serious, but with a few 'real life' funny moments like in TDK.

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Old 04-26-2011, 12:11 AM   #263
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This movie after so long is still relevant & the movie score everytime I hear it gives me chills!!! IMO, this is the pinnacle of superhero movies.

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Old 04-27-2011, 12:38 PM   #264
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I have to disagree with Superman: The Movie being the best. One of the films biggest flaws is that the film is stuffed with stupid moments: Clark jumps out of the window of a highrise office building and noone bats an eyelash. The security personnel are complete idiots who I wouldn't trust with my kids, let alone a megaton warhead. Lex Luthor conspires to kill millions of people, yet he is thrown into prison like a common criminal. I can go on.
The movie is good, but BATMAN BEGINS & THE DARK KNIGHT are much better in my opinion.

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Old 04-28-2011, 05:12 PM   #265
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it was (and still is) on of my favorite movies as a kid,and i love Reeve's performance as both Kal-El and Clark...he looks,acts,moves,and feels like...hell,he IS Superman!

that's not to say there aren't problems,most of which have been covered above...my 2 biggest:

when Clark kicks the football....he doesn't kick it at a high enough angle to enter orbit,so it likely landed SOMEWHERE on Earth....and with that velocity...i always pictured like some family in France or Italy sitting in a field,laying on a blanket,watching the stars...a father showing his young son the Big Dipper...the ancient Greek constellations...when suddenly the area is impacted by a small object travelling at roughly 400- 500 miles per hour ,impacting with the force of a small meteor,leaving a half-mile wide crater and tuning the entire familt to red mist....YAY CLARK!! GO SMALLVILLE!!!

when he hops off the window ledge,and his clothes just....they just disappear! what the ****!!??

...that said,i honestly think it's the perfect filmed representation of Superman...the SILVER AGE Superman,that is,who used to have such godlike powers to the point where he once said his sneeze could destroy the solar system!! so,yeah,it catches that goofy,cheesy vibe quite well,i think...

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Old 05-25-2011, 06:30 PM   #266
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Absolutely the best Superman film by far. The only negative for me is the reverse time ending but everything else works great



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I have to disagree with Superman: The Movie being the best. One of the films biggest flaws is that the film is stuffed with stupid moments: Clark jumps out of the window of a highrise office building and no one bats an eyelash. The security personnel are complete idiots who I wouldn't trust with my kids, let alone a megaton warhead. Lex Luthor conspires to kill millions of people, yet he is thrown into prison like a common criminal. I can go on.
The movie is good, but BATMAN BEGINS & THE DARK KNIGHT are much better in my opinion.

I can buy people not seeing Clark fly out the window. It's not something you would expect to see or be looking out for. Someone would have to be looking that direction.

A lot of that was comical. I had to suspend disbelief that a genius like Lex would have a bumbling henchmen.

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I can buy people not seeing Clark fly out the window. It's not something you would expect to see or be looking out for. Someone would have to be looking that direction.
Most skyscrapers don't have windows that open, probably because it's pretty windy that high up. Also, if I recall correctly, people can be seen looking at Clark as he jumps out the ****ing window. This is never brought up again.

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A lot of that was comical. I had to suspend disbelief that a genius like Lex would have a bumbling henchmen.
Another problem I had was Lex Luthor. He's not a very threatening villain, and Otis didn't help matters at all. In a serious film like Superman: The Movie, I want to be scared of the villain, not laugh at him and his incompotent henchmen. It would be like if in THE DARK KNIGHT, one of the Joker's goons put all his explosives in the wrong hospital or the wrong warehouse when he was threatening Harvey Dent's life. Comic relief has no place in a scene about a mad genius stealing nuclear weapons with intent to use them to cause massive civilian casualties. Not to mention the people assigned to guard the nuclear ****ing weapons are too incompetent to serve as mall security.

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Most skyscrapers don't have windows that open, probably because it's pretty windy that high up. Also, if I recall correctly, people can be seen looking at Clark as he jumps out the ****ing window. This is never brought up again.
Yeah most don't . I've been in high offices and seen them but not skyscrapers. However If people were shown looking I don't recall but that might of been a mistake in direction.

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Another problem I had was Lex Luthor. He's not a very threatening villain, and Otis didn't help matters at all. In a serious film like Superman: The Movie, I want to be scared of the villain, not laugh at him and his incompetent henchmen. It would be like if in THE DARK KNIGHT, one of the Joker's goons put all his explosives in the wrong hospital or the wrong warehouse when he was threatening Harvey Dent's life. Comic relief has no place in a scene about a mad genius stealing nuclear weapons with intent to use them to cause massive civilian casualties. Not to mention the people assigned to guard the nuclear ****ing weapons are too incompetent to serve as mall security.
I thought Lex was capable , he damn near killed Superman.They were cartoonish though. I guess they just toned it down to appeal to kids.
I didn't think the film had a serious tone really until the end.

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We watched the special edition of Superman: The Movie last night. My five and three year old girls have seen the DC animated stuff with Superman, they've watched Superman the animated series and some JL/JLU, and the Fleischer shorts, but they hadn't watched all of "the real Superman" as they call it.

My wife hadn't watched the entire movie in probably decades. They loved it. My wife usually mocks episodes of the original Star Trek series when I watch them because they are "cheesy," but she really enjoyed the movie. My daughters were amazed and wanted to watch it again.

The 70s aspects are really not that prevalent at all (to me, Superman II is more dated, to say nothing of III and IV) and the epic sweep of the movie overcomes any elements that are locked in to a specific time.

I agree that Superman The Movie remains the greatest comic book movie adaptation. There have been great films since (Batman Begins, Batman 89, Iron Man, Watchmen, Sin City, Hellboy, Blade to name a few) but no superhero movie has captured the spirit of the character in quite the way this film is. That sense of optimism, nobility, charm, innocence, and true heroism is what comic books are all about, and modern SFX will never be a stand-in for these.

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Not sure if I'd call it numero uno but it's certainly up there. I love S:TM. The cast was so terrific. Reeve remains the best Superman to date, I've always liked Hackman's Luthor, Kidder was terrific, and even Brando's small role as Jor El was quite memorable.

And I'm one of the few who doesn't have a problem with Superman reversing the earth. Really the only thing about the movie I can say I simply flat out hate is Otis. The one character that dates the movie with his silly bumbling antics and even his theme grinds my gears. Love the movie overall though, the second as well. I like to pretend the third and fourth don't exist and I'll certainly never watch them again. (Just watched the fourth about a month ago for the first time)

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I recently saw STM after a long long while from beginning to end. I did it in order to make a proper comparison between this version (STM and SII) and the upcoming Man of Steel movie.

I have to say that I had better memories of it than the impression I had yesterday. While the origin part is solid (basically when the movie takes itself seriously), the campiness brought by Luthor and co. truly hurt the film. And badly so. If at the very least they had been funny. I don't mind the bumbling Clark that Reeve so wonderfully created, but that plus Luthor didn't mix well and turned the second half into a mess that's only saved by the presence of Reeve's Superman, naive but brave and noble. All of which made me realize that the movie runs out of themes and cohesion. It's only at the end that Superman is brought back to both his Kryptonian and earthly roots when he decides to change human history (violating the Kryptonian mandate given to him by his Kryptonian father) in order to revive Lois Lane (triumphing where he had failed before, with his earthly father Jonathan). But between his first apparition (helicopter scene) and this point, it is little what the movie has to say about the character and his story. Other than he is super-powerful and Lois falls in love with him. This latter point that would only bear fruit in the sequel.


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While great for its time, it is simply too dated and quaint for it to stand up to the quality of acting and writing of today's best comic book films. Also, as mentioned above, the campiness really hurts the tone of the film that was serious and weighty until he left the fortress.

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I enjoy most the camp in STM. Otisburg! Hackman is a great, very entertaining Luthor.

And while the Krypton and Smallville stuff is fantastic. It's the Metropolis stuff with Clark, Lois, Superman and Daily Planet that I love the most about the movie.

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I enjoy most the camp in STM. Otisburg! Hackman is a great, very entertaining Luthor.

And while the Krypton and Smallville stuff is fantastic. It's the Metropolis stuff with Clark, Lois, Superman and Daily Planet that I love the most about the movie.
Other than Luthor, I agree. Reeve does a great job at being both the drama (Superman) and the comedy (Clark). And everybody at tyhe Planet is just charming.

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