What should come next? Transformers 4 or a reboot?

[warhorse78]

Originally Posted by Tony Stark

This franchise needs a total reboot, with a mature director, who takes the source material seriously and who can make this into a franchise fans can be proud of, instead of the male geek's "Twilight". (i.e. a movie that is successful financially but is a complete joke and has no value beyond the fanboy dynamic).

Uh, you know what, the fans can't take the source material seriously. When I want to start talking about mythos and Transformers lures, all I get in return are immature jokes.

And I will never pay money to go see a Transformers movie based on the Beast Wars concept! That's was the stupidest thing I ever saw!

[BattleCat]

I doubt people want a serious transformers. It would be tough to take the source material serious.

Originally Posted by Tony Stark

This franchise needs a total reboot, with a mature director, who takes the source material seriously and who can make this into a franchise fans can be proud of, instead of the male geek's "Twilight". (i.e. a movie that is successful financially but is a complete joke and has no value beyond the fanboy dynamic).

[Thundercrack85]

I don't see why not. Even these movies have serious parts. People die on screen all the time. Would anyone really miss the bad college movie-type humor?

[warhorse78]

Originally Posted by Thundercrack85

I don't see why not. Even these movies have serious parts. People die on screen all the time. Would anyone really miss the bad college movie-type humor?

All I'm saying, is that I got into Transformer from the first live action movie. I got curious. I started to go on the board. I wanted to know about their origins, how can Transformers be brothers and all of that, and all I got was stupid sex jokes. The fans, all they seem to care about is collecting toys and talking about the good ole days of G1..........

If I were to make a Transformers movie though, I think I'd like to go with the similar atmosphere that was in Terminator 2. It had some comical elements, but overall, was an excellent dramatically filled action movie. Maybe we just need James Cameron to pen the script, and see if he can find somebody under his wing to direct the next Transformers movie.

[Thundercrack85]

Originally Posted by warhorse78

All I'm saying, is that I got into Transformer from the first live action movie. I got curious. I started to go on the board. I wanted to know about their origins, how can Transformers be brothers and all of that, and all I got was stupid sex jokes. The fans, all they seem to care about is collecting toys and talking about the good ole days of G1..........

If I were to make a Transformers movie though, I think I'd like to go with the similar atmosphere that was in Terminator 2. It had some comical elements, but overall, was an excellent dramatically filled action movie. Maybe we just need James Cameron to pen the script, and see if he can find somebody under his wing to direct the next Transformers movie.

Well, you have those kinds of fans in every franchise.

I would suggest checking out Beast Wars and Beast Machines. It'll show you how mature the franchise can be. Good humor, depth and plenty of action.

The Terminator 2 tone would be good. It can't be too hard to get a director better than Michael Bay.

[warhorse78]

I hate Beast Wars, I can't stand the sight of Transformers as animals, and if they make a movie about it, I can guarantee it will flop!

[Thundercrack85]

It's your loss.

Though I think the inclusion of beast transformers is fairly inevitable.

[Chris B]

Originally Posted by warhorse78

Uh, you know what, the fans can't take the source material seriously. When I want to start talking about mythos and Transformers lures, all I get in return are immature jokes.

And I will never pay money to go see a Transformers movie based on the Beast Wars concept! That's was the stupidest thing I ever saw!

Out of curiosity, where did you go with your questions? If you still have any about the mythos, I'd suggest going to the major TF fan sites like TFW2005, Seibertron, or Allspark. The TF wiki is pretty good too.

[Tony Stark]

Originally Posted by warhorse78

Uh, you know what, the fans can't take the source material seriously. When I want to start talking about mythos and Transformers lures, all I get in return are immature jokes.

And I will never pay money to go see a Transformers movie based on the Beast Wars concept! That's was the stupidest thing I ever saw!

Beast Wars doesn't count. While all of the material was meant to sell toys, Beast Wars is the worst example of the sort. It was sort of like how they rebooted He-Man where he was on a space ship and they did away with Greyskull and all the traditional story elements.

[OoAnd1]

Originally Posted by Thundercrack85

I don't see why not. Even these movies have serious parts. People die on screen all the time. Would anyone really miss the bad college movie-type humor?

You're right. These movies definitely had a bunch of serious parts. Most of these included the government/military, and you can easily insert many of their scenes in other films like Black Hawk Down.

It's Sam's world that almost existed in some other goofy universe. At first I thought this "humor" was bringing the movies down.

But now, after all of the financial success, I gotta expect people to miss it if it's not in the next one. At this point, I don't mind if they have to lace the films with goofy humor in order to have another successful trilogy.

I just want more movies.

[Raiden]

With TF3 on track to become the highest-grossing domestic movie of 2011, TF4 is a matter of when, not if. And if Bay and Shia made good on their promise not to return, we'll be getting a new director as well as a leading man, and when all of the Decepticon leaders got killed in TF3, is there a point to continue Bayformers as it is? I think it will be a safer bet to do a reboot, get new looks & story for Autobots/Decepticons, instead of continue the franchise with Bay's vision but a new director. But I'm also a G1 fan, and I wanted to see TF that is more faithful to the look of the cartoons that inspired it, so I'm open to the idea of a reboot. Your average moviegoers, however, may not agree with me.

[MessiahDecoy123]

^^^nice avatar.

[The Locomotive]

Originally Posted by Drizzle

Considering the amount of characters that are now dead, especially Decepticons, I don't really want to see a fourth one.

To be fair, these are robots.....explaining resurrections would be easy seeing as how they are not organic like us. Megatron was dropped into the ocean stone dead at the end of the first movie. But all it took in ROTF was a few 'cons swimming down to chuck some spare parts on him, and boom, he's back again.

But i suppose it would just get laughable if dead transformers were constantly being brought back to life.

[Hotwire]

Rebooting the series, means starting from scratch. That means a bigger budget. Why would the studio and Hasbro throw out all of those designs, when they are far from stale? They sell, am they sell well. We will get a Transformers 4, not a reboot. Besides, they have other bad guys to work with.

[Marvin]

Originally Posted by Thundercrack85

I don't see why not. Even these movies have serious parts. People die on screen all the time. Would anyone really miss the bad college movie-type humor?

Originally Posted by Thundercrack85

Well, you have those kinds of fans in every franchise.

I would suggest checking out Beast Wars and Beast Machines. It'll show you how mature the franchise can be. Good humor, depth and plenty of action.

The Terminator 2 tone would be good. It can't be too hard to get a director better than Michael Bay.

Battle LA
on both counts.

[def28]

Bring on Transformers 4! No need to reboot, we will get a new flick in the next few years with the cash this ones making.

[Nevincer]

No more transformers or a reboot at least.

[Wolfwood]

New director and new writers. Sam's character wouldn't be so unbearable if he were better written.

[Thundercrack85]

Originally Posted by Wolfwood

New director and new writers. Sam's character wouldn't be so unbearable if he were better written.

Why do you even need him? What does he contribute to the story?

Nothing. His significance ran out at the end of Revenge of the Fallen.

[Wolfwood]

I'm only saying that, for me, Shia wasn't the problem. It was the way Sam had been written. I don't care if he comes back.

[SPIDER-MAN-ROX]

Originally Posted by The Locomotive

To be fair, these are robots.....explaining resurrections would be easy seeing as how they are not organic like us. Megatron was dropped into the ocean stone dead at the end of the first movie. But all it took in ROTF was a few 'cons swimming down to chuck some spare parts on him, and boom, he's back again.

But i suppose it would just get laughable if dead transformers were constantly being brought back to life.

Correction, The other Decepticons jammed a shard of Allspark into Megatron's chest to resurrect him & bring him back to life, he couldn't just come back from the dead on his own.

[Ultra Ham]

Given the atrocities that the Michael bay has done to the Transformers series I would say that the series is past redeeming and the only option is a reboot.

[Darthkush]

I want a reboot in tone and story. The designs are ugly but as people noted, regular folk and some fans of the material like it enough. No need to change them.

But EVERYTHING else needs to change. For starters, the one thing the cartoons, comics, and animated movies have all over these films is...they're about Transformers. These movies are not. They're about people reacting to Transformers and it simply doesn't work. I don't care what people say about the g.i. joe film, the film was about the joes! Not how average joe felt about when Paris was getting torn about. Not about the guys on the camel who Zartan killed. That's the biggest problem. Humans should be the background and supporting, not the other way around.

The horrible humor needs to go away. The Decepticons need to have some kind of actual dialogue going on. The autobots needs to have more emotion. Optimus Prime needs to stop being a bloodthirsty thug. We need someone who cares about these characters running the show and not just "action and explosionss!" I want to see the kind of devotion and care given to x-men and spider-man etc. given to these characters.

The biggest problem with these films is that the Transformers are not just "robots" they are an alien race and should be treated as such.

I'd rather see a total reboot, but i don't think it's time yet so yeah, reboot everything about it except the designs.

[gkokujin]

Originally Posted by Thundercrack85

Why do you even need him? What does he contribute to the story?

Nothing. His significance ran out at the end of Revenge of the Fallen.

Originally Posted by Wolfwood

I'm only saying that, for me, Shia wasn't the problem. It was the way Sam had been written. I don't care if he comes back.

or pull a soap opera and give him a long lost brother named "Spike"

[Ken-Kaniff]

I wish THUNDERWING was in these movies... And I wouldn't mind Bay coming back.