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Then Johns leaves to work on Secret Origin and other things, and never returns. Had he been committed (or perhaps, allowed to be committed?) to the title, he and Busiek could have put the Superman titles high in the sales charts each month. But then both left; Busiek has commented vaguely over at the CBR forums that it was difficult to work for editorial at the time. Then New Krypton, which could have been phenomenal and really brought a lot of attention to Superman, ended up ousting Superman from BOTH of his titles and putting him in a limited series most folks wouldn't want to have to buy. Then "Grounded" happened and here we are. The biggest mistake DC has made with Superman in the last ten to fifteen years has been passing on the Waid/Morrison proposal. The books would have been top sellers had they been allowed to go along with it. When I heard about this reboot, I was hoping Mark Waid would be at the helm. Why does DC hate this guy so much? He should be spearheading this reboot, and using a retooled version of Birthright as the basis for a new era of Superman. |
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This is the real death of Supes tale. Dead means dead. Superman doesn't come back to life. It was done at a time when tre weren't events - it is contained in one issue. If this had been done today it would have spanned many issues. It's usually listed as among the top Superman stories ever. |
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Clearly Superman's relative value as a franchise has faded over the past years with the rise of Potter, Batman, Spiderman, Star Trek, Ironman and others. I dunno if it even ranks in the top ten commercial franchises anymore. Didn't WB/DC argue in the trial that it was equal in value to the Conan franchise? I don't know if the court affirmed that valuation but that gives you an idea that WB and DC don't see a lot of value in it. Horn it was I think who said there were questions about the franchies's viability. Of course WB/DC have an agenda to get the court to place the lowest value possible on the franchise so the payout to the heirs is minimized. Still, there is no doubt the Superman franchise has lost a lot of it's value. |
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They'd continue with a rebooted version who is not "goody two shoes" so to speak. An in-your-face angsty type of superhero. One they own completely and have the copyright to for 75 years to come. They'd have a classic Superman line based on the character we know. They'd do specials and produce products but I think even if this is resolved DC/WB would use the classic version less and less and work to build a brand new character. Agreement with heirs or not, DC/WB and the heirs lose the rights in less than 20 years. I don't see them trying to re-build or heavilly invest in the classic Superman. It makes sense from a business point of view but, to be sure, not from a fan's point of view. |
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We don't know if DC is even going to be able to create a totally non-derivative character. Trexler thinks it will be hard. But DC is moving forward to try to do this. The alternative - drop the character all together. I've always considered myself a purist re: Superman but when reality stares you in the face you think a little differently. At this point I'd rather have a Man of Steel who doesn't wear red undies over his blue tights and isn't aka Clark Kent than DC drop the character altogether. But that is the choice facing fans. Many fans disagree with me and would rather have Superman disappear rather than have DC create a "derived" character. MOS is definitely the last classic Superman film. There won't be a sequel because of the legal issues. But, as you noted re: the GL failure, this new DC character may be given the attention Superman never has in recent decades and may be on the fast track for a movie franchise of his own. It's all about the bottom line, money. The classic Superman was doomed not only because of the lawsuit but, more significantly, because DC and WB had, under the best of circumstances, only a relative few years to exploit the character. They were never going to invest significant resources into a short term "classic" Superman franchise but rather they will direct the bulk of their resources into the longer term Batman and GL franchises. And others. Last edited by merced; 07-09-2011 at 09:24 PM. |
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Oh for the love of...
WB and DC is not going to lose the rights to Superman. The heirs won't be able to do anything with what they get. Their parts of Superman, alone, are not profitable. They get one issue's worth of content. WB has 70 years of development. Do you think anyone will want a character that can't fly, can't shoot heat beams and doesn't have any of his rogues gallery? Marvel already has that character. Its called the Sentry. Oh, wait, no, he can fly. If the heirs get exactly what they want, here is what will happen. WB will give them lots and lots of money. The heirs will take that money. Then both will profit on what Superman brings in. In reality, this case is not about who controls the character. Its about how much money WB has to pay the heirs to make them go away.
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SMH. You said it yourself. To much money for them not to settle. Your crazy if you think they don't settle. Thats what this is all boiling down too. I mean its also ridiculous for you to say this is the last classic Superman film and their wont be a sequel. If WB wanted to they have could have just made a ****** movie like 90's Captain America or something. But nope they've gotten their boy Christoper "I swim in money" Nolan. Got their other boy Zack Snyder and have so far got a great cast. I just get the feeling from all your comments that you personally have no hopes for the film and you want it to fail.
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As this friend of mine said, at least Routh won't be Superman's only George Lazenby. Cavill will own that title too. Kinda like Singer is now feeling a little bit less heat after GL's disappointment. You know he has to be relieved the spotlight is off of him after these past 5 years. |
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Replace Superman with Captain Marvel?
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IMO WB/DC will continue to develop a "new" character they completely own for 75 years to come rather than throw good money after bad into a short term investment which is what the classic Superman is now. Both for WB/DC, the heirs and Toberoff. If there is a resolution I expect DC will continue a classic Superman line but the focus will shift to a new, re-imaged Man of Steel for the new century. Financially that is the only way to go given how relatively soon the classic Superman goes public. Last edited by merced; 07-09-2011 at 09:46 PM. |
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They'll extend those public domain laws. Thats given. Money is all it takes. Sticking with a valuable property is whole lot easier than trying to make a new one. Thats simple. I mean hell they might as well start a new Batman since he's their most valuable asset. Wait I dont see them doing that so your point is invalid.
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Is it just me, or does everybody else see that this makes no sense whatsoever? Also, Superman will never go public. All of your doom and gloom theories are just that. Theories. Like how the moon landing was faked.
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Public Domain laws will get changed LONG before Supes goes public. You think a billion dollar corporation can't influence some Washington Politicians. Man get please. They'll at least do it for Batman.
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If the effects of the impending legal restrictions represent a 'doom and gloom' theory...I'd like to hear what sort of utopian theory sees everyone agreeing to play nice and have Superman continue like he's been without missing a beat. That oughtta be a deusie. Quite the contrary...it could very likely add more fuel to an already fierce fire. The more money that's involved, the less that people want to share..and the longer they'll sue, counter-sue, and appeal over it. Especially if you have a lawyer with ownership interest involved who's looking to build a production company. He's probably the single biggest monkey-wrench in this whole thing.
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I keep seeing people write this, but if this MOS is a big success, there WILL be a sequel. Count on it. No way imo will WB/DC lose the rights. They may have to pay some money to the heirs, but I don't think those heirs will ultimately end up in control of anything. Also, I can't believe WB are treating this film as a one off, end of the line proposition. I'd like to know if they have optioned Henry & Amy for more than one film.
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WB/DC is not going to just let Superman go and create some other Bizzaro version of Superman. Why would they even being fighting with Toberoff and the fam if they were just going to create a different bastardized version of the character anyway?
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I don't see it so much as WB treating this as a one-off with no desire for a sequel, it's just that they're prepared not to continue with it if things go the way they've been going. You could have appeals spanning the next 5-8 years...in which case no one would have full control over anything, but nothing would be produced because every effort would feed yet another lawsuit, counter-suit, appeal, and so on.
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WB doesn't want to make a new version of Superman as much they may just have to, or just stop altogether. The reason why they're fighting is to depower the other side as much as possible in case they do want to settle....force them to accept a low-ball basement offer with no alternatives. Look at it as a nasty custody battle in a divorce.
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I think the federal court that handles copyright laws is pretty darn high up there....and if they tell you you have to do something, you pretty much have to or risk something much more severe. Again, I think we're talking about something much bigger than small parts like wipers and a patent issue.
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