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you pretty much repeated what i said godzilla
well to be fair a large majority of the batman cartoons from back in the day were stand alone pieces, so i assume this story was the same. the only time it really became relevant was when it came round to terry's origin. I guess they thought they didn't want to beat people over the head with it. at least it was mentioned, none of the other dcau films could potentially be in continuity, not even the superman/batman crossover.
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MOTP is easily the best Batman movie ever made, imo.
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I think Batman Beyond Return of the Joker is the best animated film. Mask of the Phantasm comes in second place.
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Anyone notice that both of these highly-acclaimed DCAU Batman films have plots based on the return of something from Bruce's past to Gotham and flashbacks to said period in time? Furthermore the flashbacks bookend Bruce Wayne's career as Batman, Mask Of The Phantasm's flashbacks show the beginning of Bruce Wayne's tenure behind the mantle of the Bat, while Return Of The Joker's flashbacks show the beginning of the end.
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I like Under the Red Hood and Return of the Joker more than Phantasm.
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but i loved the idea of bruce trying to make terry fight tim/joker his normal way and terry decided to go streetwise on him. Terry nailing the joker in the nuts is great. i love return of the joker but it had some weaker parts to it. But for nostalgia sake, the episode of dissapearing inque in batman beyond was epic, seeing bruce in the costume again and the motp them going full blaze with an electric guitar
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you know the only mistake I think the entire paul dini show made
I think in epilogue would have been better IF the dna fusion had not had worked on terry but had worked on his younger brother, since his he was about the same age when his father died to when bruce's parents died. So they tried it with terry and the phantasm refused so in a sense, terry's relationship would stop his younger brother from having that vengeful batman side to him, and also if his brother became the new robin and would ultimately become the heir to the batman throne. so bruce and terry would still have some relation it would have also made images like this more touching in retrospect, and seeing mat (who has the superhero alliteration in his name already) ![]() ![]() ![]() plus is would have been a lil less obvious and would all let us know what happened to matt in the end.
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And again in TDK, he was willing to give up on being Batman to be with Rachel. In MOTP, I believe he wanted to financially help the police to make up for not being Batman, and in TDK he wanted to um...Well Dent was on the scene so apparently everyting would be fine now ![]()
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Are you referring to the episode "Epilogue", the DCAU, or B:TAS? He didn't write "Epilogue", and he wrote quite a few episodes in the DCAU, but Bruce Timm, Alan Burnett, and later Dwayne McDuffie deserve creit, too. Sorry, it just seems that he tends to get more credit for the DCAU as opposed to others like Alan Burnett and Dwayne McDuffie.
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i quite liked the fact bruce never saw her again, some characters i feel are just not meant to reoccur. unlike kyodia-ken, he definitely should have featured more, i thought he was aweome.
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i wasn't trying to steal credit, but using the dcau would have been more accurate. and yeah, epilogue.
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I loved "Epilogue".
Even though it's a freaky...****ed up thing that happened. Mr. McGinnis firing off Wayne rockets and not knowing it. ...so ****ing weird. |
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Andrea Beaumont is the best Batman love interest, ever.
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Not too happy about that either. I think BB was a good promise but a so-so execution. Rachel was part of the latter. But when 1) he was already Batman for a long while and 2) when he thought harvey could do a better job than Batman. Bruce thought Batman was not going to be necessary anymore. |
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damn straight, it makes catwoman seem...balanced and like a small crush, and talia seem like an escort,
there's an episode where bruce is looking at old love interests and her picture isn't part of the list, that grates me but i just guess her pic is too painful to look at and he doesn't have any in the house.
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with regards to andrea, i think it really humanised bruce, alot of people would say that his ration to take an event that traumatised him as a child and to run with it is verging on insanity. his interaction with andrea and his ability to love and almost heal makes him human. plus it makes his descent into batman a dual-event mixed with a long investment steady fall of the mind body and soul, followed by a complete collaspe of the heart. which is why the scene of the birth of batman is that bit more potent. infact, till then he had been unable to strike fear into people, and simply putting on a costume wouldn't have done it, he needed that transaction and inteaction with andrea to sell it. and the beautiful thing is that andrea is pretty much the same except for in this situation, she's proactive while bruce is reactive. BUT it's because of this, she can kill and he can't.
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well if anything was going to stop bruce becoming batman it was going to be finding some sort of happiness and in honesty, most of that is in finding true love.
I think a key point of it that i haven't brought up is that bruce understood love could have stopped him being batman, which is a key element because he tries to use that notion to stop andrea killing the joker at the end of phantasm and she is too far gone to understand. as for the fear aspect, there's a reason the masking of batman is played directly after he finds out that beaumont has done a runner. to be fair, i don't think andrea does too much to divert batman off his path, she is just a fork in the road that he doesn't end up taking but it's nice to know the fork was still there. and bruce is shown to be anything but human for a large part of the dcau (if you take into account his bruce wayne persona in his youth was an act). the closest other thing he's come to showing is fear when fighting against kyoado-ken (sp?) and rage when tim is being tortured in return of the joker. infact, isn't the reason that dick left him was because of his apparent inhumanity don't get me wrong, most romances in superhero stories are completly convoluted but because there are hugh parallels between the characters and she's there at a pivotal time in his life and never shows up again, i think it works. unlike rachel who basically tells him to be batman and is a final reward for stopping being batman, boooo hiss....
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Batman: You still listen to your dad's orders?
Andrea: The way I see it, the only one in this room being controlled by his parents is you. Ouch.
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One of the best Batman films I don't know why I don't own MOTP on DVD.
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I measure Andrea's interference because of the results: Bruce wanted to quit his Batman mission before starting. I'd say that's enouygh diversion. It's not nice to know everything depended on a girl. Which is worse: Andrea didn't even do much, as you say. It's Bruce himself (!) who felt a girl was enough to stop him. Quote:
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that would have even shut up justice lord batman.
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