Biggest Disappointment

[[A]]

Originally Posted by Joker

Yep, loved it. The fact that no music was used in the scene made it even more effective.

More directors should learn from that..

[Anita18]

Originally Posted by Joker

Yep, loved it. The fact that no music was used in the scene made it even more effective.

The music-less scene which really surprised me was the SWAT truck chase. Music only entered when the Batpod was born, that was it. Even though they had quite an epic theme on the soundtrack that could have gone there, no music was definitely the right choice.

[[A]]

The beginning of the SWAT sequence was like that -- almost everything going mute, just that background *music* playing.. like when the Joker is in the police car..

[Anita18]

Originally Posted by [A]

The beginning of the SWAT sequence was like that -- almost everything going mute, just that background *music* playing.. like when the Joker is in the police car..

Only for that moment though, and the Batpod. Otherwise it was just practical sound effects. Most of the sound in that scene was added in post, because the IMAX camera was so loud. Plus they added character to the vehicles, bull snorts and squeals and such.

The utter silence when the 18-wheeler went up and balanced for a second on its nose was so awesome.

[[A]]

I wasn't talking about sound effects

[batman11]

Originally Posted by [A]

The beginning of the SWAT sequence was like that -- almost everything going mute, just that background *music* playing.. like when the Joker is in the police car..

Such a small bit that is not only one of my favorite technical/editing choices that Nolan made for the film, but one of my overall favorite moments in the film. When the music cuts out, and you hear that ominous "humming" as the Joker's theme begins to fade in...man, you just feel that sense of dread. ****. Will. Hit. The Fan.

[Happy Jack]

Originally Posted by batman11

Such a small bit that is not only one of my favorite technical/editing choices that Nolan made for the film, but one of my overall favorite moments in the film. When the music cuts out, and you hear that ominous "humming" as the Joker's theme begins to fade in...man, you just feel that sense of dread. ****. Will. Hit. The Fan.

Indeed. That was a brilliant moment, a great beginning to the chase sequence (the biggest action sequence in the film). One of those moments that when I was watching it in the theater made me realize I was seeing a great piece of cinema.

[[A]]

Originally Posted by batman11

Such a small bit that is not only one of my favorite technical/editing choices that Nolan made for the film, but one of my overall favorite moments in the film. When the music cuts out, and you hear that ominous "humming" as the Joker's theme begins to fade in...man, you just feel that sense of dread. ****. Will. Hit. The Fan.

Haha yes -- well put

[mothy]

Originally Posted by batman11

When the music cuts out, and you hear that ominous "humming" as the Joker's theme begins to fade in...man, you just feel that sense of dread. ****. Will. Hit. The Fan.

oh, absolutely. total dread and anticipation. the simplicity of the wailing siren is really all you need. they really nailed the joker in the film. every aspect. i feel the inclusion of the joker's music really elevated the dark knight soundtrack above batman begins. it brought it to a whole other atmospheric level.

[batman11]

Yep. Definitely a great choice. I'd be curious to find out whether it was Nolan's idea, or some sort of collaboration between him, Zimmer/Newton Howard and the sound editors. Regardless, it definitely added a new dimension to the film that very few people probably appreciate. It's such a small moment that really sucks the viewer in, perhaps without the viewer even being aware of why (the combination of lack of sound and imagery) he or she is entranced.

[nachtschicht]

Originally Posted by Panthro

So now we're criticizing the film for not having enough blood? I just rewatched the film and there was some blood when the guy got shot in the gut, it just wasn't splattering the camera.

What, where? Blu-Ray?

No, I'd really like to know, because a friend and I were just talking about this lack of blood thing and whether there actually was any and where. The dog bite/bruised Bruce and Joker VS Bat's gauntlet (and the cabinet Bruce shot semi-dead - accidently - fell over in disbelief); couldn't remember any other moments ...We should probably rewatch the movie.


So much is 'just implied/not shown', it actually annoys/ed me. Can't help it *shrug* Batman breaking Maroni's legs is the only thing that gets me every single time. My guess is it's the sound, like a branch breaking. Ow.

Love the mutilated cello, though. Love that the movie seems to start and end with that sound. IMO it's like the '?' in 'The End?'.

[KILLING JOKER]

Originally Posted by The Ace of Knaves

Yea I understand that.

But I mean, was a guy getting his head splattered in Raiders of the Lost Ark cartoony? Or guy getting chopped up by an airplane propellers? That was PG.

I don't think TDK pushes the boundaries. I just think people these days are more sensitive. TOO sensitive.

Very true. Could not agree more. I saw "Raiders of the lost ark" when I was a little kid and THAT was intense AND violent. TDK never comes close. Not to say it isn't intense but these days ratings and censorship are out of control. I would certainly have prefered to see the bank manager bleeding. It's hard to believe in the realism when there's no blood to be seen and the camera angles don't do much to hide that fact. Would a little bit of blood on the floor really gotten the film a R rating. It just sucks that the ratings have to be so strict and an artist like Nolan has to draw back. He's not squeamish about blood. Check out "Insomnia." That movie uses blood like it's going out of style.

[Happy Jack]

Raiders was only PG because PG-13 didn't exist when it was released. Categorically it is a PG-13 film.

[KILLING JOKER]

Originally Posted by Happy Jack

Raiders was only PG because PG-13 didn't exist when it was released. Categorically it is a PG-13 film.

Yeah, thanks. In fact every movie pre-1984 is categorically a PG-13 film.

[Happy Jack]

Originally Posted by KILLING JOKER

Yeah, thanks. In fact every movie pre-1984 is categorically a PG-13 film.

That's not what I meant. I meant that based on the content in Raiders it should be PG-13 but it only isn't because the rating didn't exist at the time.

[ALP]

Really there was only one big disappointment for me in TDK. It was Gotham City. Or lack thereof.

TDK did not take place in Gotham, it took place in Chicago. Even in Batman Begins there was a nice sepia tone and there was the absolutely massive narrows set that gave the film a comic book flavor. It reminded me of Year One. But in TDK, that was all gone. The narrows just completely disappeared. There was nothing in the city of TDK's Gotham that stood out. It was just a backdrop that added little to nothing as far as atmosphere. They could have just as easily filmed it on the streets of Boston, NY, LA, or Washington.

[Two-Face]

Only disappointment is not enough Two-Face. They missed on his voice like one in BTAS.

[Travesty]

Originally Posted by Two-Face

Only disappointment is not enough Two-Face. They missed on his voice like one in BTAS.

Yeah, that was something I was bummed about. I was hoping they would have concentrated more on Joker, and have a build up to the transformation of Two-Face at the very end of TDK, so we could have him as the main villain in the third.

I really wanted to see more "flip-flopping" between Dent into Two-Face, which is something that was left out of TDK. After the scarring, it was just straight up Two-Face, and you never saw him weave in and out of conflicting points of view.

But I still think Dent/Two-Face was the best thing about TDK, and even though we didn't get the "flip flopping" Two-Face that I wanted, I still think Nolan did a good job with the character. Much better job with him, than The Joker, IMO.

[nightwing666]

From what I have read on these boards over the last few years is that a lot of people do NOT understand Batman Begins or the Dark Knight or movies. Some even claim that just because they read the comics that they understand the characters. They make complaints about how the movies should be but they are not the one's who make the movie. Just because some character's don't have much screen time DOES NOT mean that the character is not done properly.

The only person that is truly 100% happy is the director because it is their movie. If the character is on screen for only a few seconds is it is because they are supposed to. What also people DON'T UNDERSTAND is that because BATMAN is on screen less time then some character's means that he is a supporting character in his movie, but he isn't. Bruce Wayne is the core character NOT BATMAN. Batman is apart of the Bruce Wayne character. "BATMAN" is also a brand name. Meaning that the movies and comics or whatever medium the story is being told in, it also has to tell the arc and stories of the other characters and that pushes Batman/Bruce Wayne's story forward.

If you look at The Bruce/Batman character as one character he is the core character. If a character is not exactly like the comics Example: the costumes or the way they are drawn or whatever or live/die, people complain. The comics or source material is just a blue print NOT a bible. If your doing a movie, TV series, stage show, cartoon, game, toys, novels, sequels, re-imagining or whatever. They all have to be different in some way or there is no point. The all travel similar roads with what happens to them in the source material but the essence of the character stays about the same.

It also depends what your influences are. If you grew up in the 60's with Adam west or read the comics in the 80's, watched the Burton movies or the animated series,or even Batman Forever or Batman & Robin. Whatever medium it is still Batman.

It's funny that through the decades in the comics Batman and anything Batman related has been drawn or presented different as what came before is usually accepted because in is in a comic, but if it is presented in another medium it is usually looked down upon. MOST FANS ARE HYPOCRITES AND DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHY THEY ARGUE. THEY NEED TO EMOTIONALLY GROW UP!!!

[Travesty]

Originally Posted by nightwing666

MOST FANS ARE HYPOCRITES AND DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHY THEY ARGUE. THEY NEED TO EMOTIONALLY GROW UP!!!

And I guess we can all start by not shouting at each other.

[GothamAlleys]

Biggest disappointment? Hard to tell. I don't think there were any after the first viewing. Actually, the one thing I never liked was his "sonar eyes" as some call it. I think it was over the top and did not fit the movie or reality really. After I digested the movie more after 2 or 3 more viewings I also noticed a lot of very unrealistic stuff but that doesn't bother me. Im not the one who watches movies looking for plotholes or some physical innacuracies. I just sit back and enjoy the story

[doobie]

Wouldnt say it was a disapointment, but I really thought they'd be a Zsasz type cameo from another villain like Penguin, especially as so many sites had rumoured it. I missed the Begins atmosphere.

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