Dark Knight: Boy Wonder

[Visceral]

i don't think its popcorn entertainment, misunderstood psychological analysis, and batman in a different light, but it isn't popcorn entertainment.

[Ponyboy]

Originally Posted by Visceral

but it isn't popcorn entertainment.

Well that's just like... your opinion man (the Dude)

heh heh, anyway I don't take it seriously as many of the fans who have poo-poo-ed the entire thing. I like the weirdness of it and the way Batman behaves. He's certainly isn't all that likeable, but it's an entertaining read every time I pick it up.

[Visceral]

Originally Posted by Ponyboy

Well that's just like... your opinion man (the Dude)

heh heh, anyway I don't take it seriously as many of the fans who have poo-poo-ed the entire thing. I like the weirdness of it and the way Batman behaves. He's certainly isn't all that likeable, but it's an entertaining read every time I pick it up.

i suppose, I hate morrison and everyone seems to think his stuff much higher then the regular writers. i guess the reverse here.

Its just that with millar, he has never had a moment in his life where he wasn't pushing the envelope; Ronin, Sin City, TDKR, Year One, Born Again. It seems odd to me that he would just give upon this project.

More likely that it is misunderstood that miller believes in a dark world, you have to be a bit crazy in order to be good.

[Ponyboy]

Originally Posted by Visceral

It seems odd to me that he would just give upon this project.

Exactly. There's no doubt a reason why, and we just haven't heard it. Maybe DC was disappointed with sales... the expected result of putting Lee/Miller together was much greater than the actual outcome perhaps? Hard to say, but I would like to get the ending to it!

[theMan-Bat]

Originally Posted by Visceral

It seems odd to me that he would just give upon this project.

Frank Miller did not give up on this project. Frank Miller has clarified that that the release schedule has been so delayed because of Jim Lee balancing multiple projects. He said last year about the release date:
“It depends on Jim,” Miller says of his collaborator, who was just named co-publisher of DC. “He’s got a helluva schedule. It will be February before the next one comes out. We have four or five more, and it’ll wrap it all up. I’ve got it all planned, and you’ll get to the end and go ‘That’s Batman.’”
The ultimate goal of Miller’s newest Batman series isn’t to rehash the predictable and expected Dark Knight of the past seventy years, but to give a solid character arc that answers the question “Why the hell does he need a kid around, anyways?”
“It’s [about] how he is redeemed through Dick Grayson,” Frank points out.
http://www.nycgraphicnovelists.com/2...-pastiche.html
Jim Lee explained last year that the delays "had nothing to do with Frank. He's been a prince through this entire process, and I've never had to wait on him. I was swamped with several projects at the same time that went longer than anticipated. I was continually playing catch up. Frank told me in our last meeting that I need to stop, take a deep breath, collect myself and set a realistic date where we could come back out on a regular basis, and that's what we decided to do."
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?p...ticle&id=25536
Newsarama reported on July, 23, this year, that at the San Diego Comic-Con Jim Lee said he has finished both Dark Knight: Boy Wonder and Batman: Europa pages, but both were put on hold for Geoff Johns' Justice League reboot. Jim Lee says he's hoping next year for both Dark Knight: Boy Wonder and Batman: Europa.
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/sdcc...ee-110723.html
Comic Book Resources reported that at the San Diego Comic-Con a fan asked if Dark Knight: Boy Wonder would ever see the light of day. Jim Lee assured the audience that the project was still in development, and that it was something he did, in fact, work on. He said he hopes that it might be available "sometime next year."
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?p...ticle&id=33609

Originally Posted by Ponyboy

Maybe DC was disappointed with sales... the expected result of putting Lee/Miller together was much greater than the actual outcome perhaps?

The sales of All-Star Batman & Robin The Boy Wonder had been record breaking and was always a top seller for DC.
All-Star Batman & Robin The Boy Wonder #1 was the top selling comic book of July 2005 with 261,079 copies sold.
More copies of All-Star Batman & Robin the Boy Wonder #1 were sold in a single month than any comic book since Top Cow Image’s The Darkness #11 in 1997.
http://web.archive.org/web/200609070...ly05sales.html
http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomi...5/2005-07.html
All-Star Batman & Robin The Boy Wonder #2 was the top selling comic book of September 2005 with 178,573 copies sold.
http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomi...5/2005-09.html
All-Star Batman & Robin The Boy Wonder #3 was the second top selling comic book December 2005 with 162,994 copies sold.
http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomi...5/2005-12.html
All-Star Batman & Robin The Boy Wonder #4 was the second top selling DC comic book of May 2006 with 160,340 copies sold.
http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomi...6/2006-05.html
All-Star Batman & Robin The Boy Wonder #5 was the second top selling DC comic book of May 2007 with 114,265 copies sold.
http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomi...7/2007-05.html
All-Star Batman & Robin The Boy Wonder #6 was the second top selling DC comic book of July 2007 with 105,954 copies sold.
http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomi...7/2007-07.html
All-Star Batman & Robin The Boy Wonder #7 was the second top selling DC comic book of September 2007 with 100,551 copies sold.
http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomi...7/2007-09.html
All-Star Batman & Robin The Boy Wonder #8 was the top selling DC comic book of November 2007 with 97,003 copies sold.
http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomi...7/2007-11.html
All-Star Batman & Robin The Boy Wonder #9 was the top selling DC comic book of February 2008 with 93,707 copies sold.
http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomi...8/2008-02.html
All-Star Batman & Robin The Boy Wonder #10 was the top selling DC comic book of September 2008 with 94,030 copies sold.
http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomi...8/2008-09.html

[KRIM]

The series lost half of its readers from the second issue to its latest? Wow.

[theMan-Bat]

Anyone expecting a comic book series to maintain sales of 261,079 copies is being foolish. Many collectors will buy multiple copies of a first issue just to try to invest and sell if they think it will be worth money.
The sales of 94,030 copies from the last issue released is very strong sales by actual readers, out selling any other DC comic book of the month.

[KRIM]

How fortunate I made a point to not reference the first issue...

[CConn]

Honestly, even if ASB&R was good, it would still lose readers due to the delays.

Not to mention, Man-Bat's point was that ASB&R's sales were good enough to continue the series. Which, they were.

[Two-Face]

I loved the last book, I will read this one whebever they feel like releasing.

[Ponyboy]

Originally Posted by KRIM

How fortunate I made a point to not reference the first issue...

yeah looks like a significant drop from issue #4 to #5... I guess all the "I'm the gottdamned Batman" got everyone tossing the issues over their shoulders (think Ralphie and Randy in A Christmas Story when they get socks)

[Lord]

Originally Posted by Ponyboy

Well that's just like... your opinion man (the Dude)

heh heh, anyway I don't take it seriously as many of the fans who have poo-poo-ed the entire thing. I like the weirdness of it and the way Batman behaves. He's certainly isn't all that likeable, but it's an entertaining read every time I pick it up.

exactly

[theMan-Bat]

Originally Posted by Ponyboy

yeah looks like a significant drop from issue #4 to #5... I guess all the "I'm the gottdamned Batman" got everyone tossing the issues over their shoulders (think Ralphie and Randy in A Christmas Story when they get socks)

It lost sales due to the long delay. There was a full year gap in between #4 and #5.

[Ponyboy]

Ahh I see... so this damned series has had problems since the get-go. Crikey.

[theMan-Bat]

On August 31st Johnny Destructo interviewed Jim Lee at the DC Universe relaunch party at Midtown Comics in Times Square, New York, and asked Jim Lee about Dark Knight: Boy Wonder.

Johnny Destructo: "I know you had spoken recently about ALL-STAR BATMAN & ROBIN...I know it's going to be DARK KNIGHT: BOY WONDER and that they are waiting because they're focusing so much on the (DC Universe) relaunch...but do we have a release date for that yet?"

Jim Lee: "No release date yet because once you say something, then you gotta deliver, and JUSTICE LEAGUE is my first priority, deadline-wise. But I actually have pages of ALL-STAR BATMAN & ROBIN done, but it just doesn't make sense to put those out unless I can deliver the rest of the story on a timely basis."

Johnny Destructo: "Oh, I thought that DARK KNIGHT: BOY WONDER was already done, it's not done yet?"

Jim Lee: "No, no."
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/51725

[CConn]

Uh, but Jim, you already did say something, and didn't deliver. Multiple times.

[theMan-Bat]

Exactly. All-Star Batman & Robin the Boy Wonder had multiple release dates that Jim Lee didn't deliver on because he was constantly late with finishing illustrating the issues. Last year Jim Lee set a release date for Dark Knight: Boy Wonder and didn't deliver because he still wasn't finished illustrating all of the issues so he can deliver them on a monthly basis, and he now confirms that he still isn't finished. Jim Lee says, "I actually have pages done, but it just doesn't make sense to put those out unless I can deliver the rest of the story on a timely basis." It sounds like he finished illustrating, I'm guessing, the first two issues of Frank Miller's Dark Knight: Boy Wonder, but still has four more issues to illustrate because he became sidetracked with redesigning costumes for Dan DiDio's DC Universe reboot and illustrating Geoff Johns' Justice League reboot.
Jim Lee again confirmed on twitter on October 10th about the delays, "truth be told--not Frank Miller's fault. Falls 100% on me."
http://twitter.com/#!/JimLee

[CConn]

I just wish DC would say that the series is dead and leave it at that.

[Rocketman]

Again, I just feel like nobody even cares about this, nor is it in demand.

[Ponyboy]

Originally Posted by CConn

Uh, but Jim, you already did say something, and didn't deliver. Multiple times.

yeah i know. he's a wanker in that aspect. like i say, maybe if he twitter-ed less he could meet his obligations.

[theMan-Bat]

Originally Posted by Rocketman

Again, I just feel like nobody even cares about this, nor is it in demand.

A lot of people are asking about it, and disappointed that it's not released, indicating that there are a lot people who do care about this, and there is a demand for it.
http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/web/m...eID=2006679950
http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/web/t...eID=2006563024
http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/web/t...51737&tstart=0
http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/web/t...1737&tstart=30
http://forums.comicbookresources.com...d.php?t=347535
http://forums.comicbookresources.com...d.php?t=348932
http://forums.comicbookresources.com...d.php?t=385247
http://forums.comicbookresources.com...d.php?t=377881
http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/fo...=posts&t=29982
http://moebiusgraphics.com/phpBB3/vi...c.php?f=2&t=77
http://acomicbookblog.com/2011/01/up...ill-a-no-show/
http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=100192

[Lord]

I sincerelly want to see this completed, i would actually like to see more of Frank Miller's psycho Batman, even if it's in other mini-series, it's allways entertaining

[Mille]

i've just finished All Star Batman & Robin, The Boy Wonder Vol. 1 (issue 1-9) and i really like it....and i want more

Where can i get issue#10 or should i wait until it's complete?

[Lord]

I had to buy Issue 10 in a comic book shop that still had it, we don't know when the series is complete as Jim Lee is drawing Justice League, maybe they're waiting for 2015 when this comic is 10 years old.

[BatmanMoviesFan]

Originally Posted by theMan-Bat

There are similarities with those two Spirit and Batman scenes but there are also big differences in those two scenes, reflecting the differences between the nice, gentlemanly, clumsy, tongue-in-cheek Spirit and the creepy, brutal, vicious, terror striking Batman. Frank Miller wants Batman to creep you out.

MILLER: Oh, that was deliberate. Yeah. Because I long ago determined that a character like Batman can only be defined as a terrorist if his motto is striking terror. I didn’t want to dodge it and also, I wanted Batman to creep you out. That I wanted from the start. I don’t want you to like this guy.

TCJ: He’s also the hero. How do you reconcile those two– the terrorist being the hero?

MILLER: He is a hero, but heroes don’t have to be likable. I mean, if you really look at Sean Connery’s James Bond, he’s charming, he’s brilliant, but he’s really a dick.

TCJ: Yeah. You wouldn’t like him if you met him.

MILLER: Yeah. My feeling about Batman is that he’s similar in that you’d want him to be there when you’re being mugged, but you wouldn’t want to have dinner with him.
http://www.4thletter.net/2009/04/son...-miller-x-tcj/

BARBARA BOGAEV: You know, as a kid, when you read about this guy who dresses like a bat, you just really swallow it whole. You think, oh sure, he gets to be a superhero and dress up, cool. But, when you think about it, what kind of guy would dress up like a bat? You've gotta be a weirdo.

FRANK MILLER: What you just said, Barbara, is a lot of where I come from. When I handle these superheroes, I like to step back and take a look at them and go, what kind of a person would really do this? What kind of a person would dress up like a bat and throw people through windows? And, I looked at what they'd done with the character and he's spent so much time being deputized and being this nice guy and, god forbid, a role-model for kids, and I realized, no, this would be a very, very strange man. And I don't think he'd be a particularly nice person to be around. So he'd be the guy you'd want to have around when your threatened by a criminal, but you probably wouldn't want to have dinner with him.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...storyId=841850

The Spirit saves a damsel in distress from being mugged by two muggers and humorously throws one of them into a garbage can. The Spirit was stabbed with one of the muggers knifes and humorously didn't notice. Batman saves a woman from being raped by two rapists and breaks one of the men's arms with a compound fracture that Batman viciously taunts "will never heal" and brutally beats the other rapist into a bloody pulp.


That was in All-Star Batman & Robin #5 and wasn't released until May 16, 2007 because of Jim Lee's long art delays.

The Spirit has a romantic scene with his girlfriend, the love of his life, Ellen Dolan in her office, while Batman has creepy sleazy sex with Black Canary outside in the rain.


That was in All-Star Batman & Robin #7 and wasn't released until September 24, 2007 because of Jim Lee's long delays with the art. Frank Miller began writing the Batman scripts for the series in 2004 and the series was announced by DC in January 2005. All-Star Batman & Robin #1 was released on July 13, 2005.

The Spirit The Movie Visual Companion book by Mark Cotta Vaz explains that Frank Miller worked on the Spirit script over a six-month period in 2006 and by January of 2007 had the final script completed.

u guys ever notice how explicitly sexy dc and marvel has become? this is borderline softcor porn.........annnnnnd we love it.