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Old 10-23-2011, 05:13 PM   #51
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I bring it up because what I've seen people post comes across as being uncomfortable with the topic being used in comics. I really didn't see an issue with Catwoman and Batman bumping uglies in those posted images.

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Old 10-23-2011, 05:25 PM   #52
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I think many people just didn't see it as necessary. An implied or suggested relationship between them can be as good or better storywise than actually showing it. They are getting their intended outcome though...people are talking about the book. But even if people are talking about the book...does that make it a good story or story decision?

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It does seem implied from some that sex seems to be a no-go area for comics. People have to stop being prudish, it's human nature.
Agreed. Batman is the hairy chested love after all.

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I think many people just didn't see it as necessary. An implied or suggested relationship between them can be as good or better storywise than actually showing it. They are getting their intended outcome though...people are talking about the book. But even if people are talking about the book...does that make it a good story or story decision?
Not only does sex sell... controversy sells too.

I think relationships in all writing (not just comic books) are more strongly portrayed when tension is maintained and any sex is implicit rather than explicit. Writers all too often use sex scenes as a crutch to attempt to make relationships interesting, and the relationships are often trivialized as a result. I'm a big fan of the rule that, unless a sex scene contributes directly to the plot, it should be left out. Otherwise I suspect that it is just gratuitous / exploitative.

While reading Batman comics I've never had a problem with the fact that Bruce has sex with various characters offscreen (or is shown in bed with them in a non-gratuitous way). I've always assumed he and Catwoman had some sexual history. And it has always been presented in a tasteful way that accentuated the characters rather than the sex act itself. But in the case of this latest comic it is the act itself that is emphasized, in big fiery letters, and it is awkward and unnecessary. It detracts and distracts from what is important in the story. That isn't what I read the comics for. I don't care if, as someone said, animals do it. That's beside the point. Comics aren't about stuff humping just for the heck of it, comics are about characters.

The question here is why show it? What does it contribute to the story? Why is it there? I think we know the answer. It contributes nothing but bad writing and the realization of teen boy fantasies. I think saying so doesn't make me a prude. I think it just makes me aware of the cheap trick the writers are using.

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I'm a big fan of the rule that, unless a sex scene contributes directly to the plot, it should be left out. Otherwise I suspect that it is just gratuitous / exploitative.
So you see no value in character development/exploration? Because that is an entirely different entity from plot, yet is arguably the most important facet of any story.

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The question here is why show it? What does it contribute to the story? Why is it there? I think we know the answer. It contributes nothing but bad writing and the realization of teen boy fantasies. I think saying so doesn't make me a prude. I think it just makes me aware of the cheap trick the writers are using.
While this aversion can apply to much of the sex portrayed in mass media, it's just as absurd to insinuate that it must have a direct relation to pushing a story forward in order to justify its existence. Dismissing all but the most "integral" purposes of sex does come off as prudish. It's akin to the overly romanticized viewpoint that copulation should only be performed out of deep love in a sensual, passionate setting -- or some other vomit-inducing fantasy.

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I've said this on DC's own boards, and I will clarify my earlier statement before attempting to discuss the actual movie, which I know most of us feel will probably have less character controversy and more awesomeness than we can really grasp right now.

By most standards, my personal beliefs and opinions make me a prude, and proud of it. But I'm prudish in the same way the Puritans were actually prudes, and not the way a great many Victorian hypocrites were: I have no problem with sex. Sex is good. God made sex for man and woman to enjoy. God also made marriage to be the proper way for sex to be expressed. I also know that sizable chunk of humanity tends to ignore that last part, and I understand that many feel such ideas are somehow "antiquated" and "irrelevant." I have no problem with reading books or watching TV where someone has sex outside of marriage as long as its still mostly under control and done tastefully. I may not agree with the writer's decision, and I may feel that they are sending an irresponsible message, but if the writing still shows the characters as comparatively decent and mature adults, I'll buy the product. So yes, My main issue with Catwoman was about the presentation, but one of my other issues with the DCnU as a whole is the more soap opera depiction of romance in Batman and Superman's comics. I do believe I'm the only one who has expressed something like that sentiment, so I'm the target for that comment, and I'm fine with that, and respect his opinion even if I disagree with it.

NOW, does anyone see something from this comic besides the sex scene that they would like to see in the movie? A lot of people have said that most of the time, Judd Winick has captured her voice. I'll admit, from the pages I skimmed through before the controversial scene, she had a nice amount of sass. I kind of like Chuck Dixon and Paul Dini's dialogue for her better, but I like a sassy Catwoman. Anybody agree with that?

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The question here is why show it? What does it contribute to the story? Why is it there?
the question should be WHY NOT show it. not why it was shown. in that very same issue catwoman is clawing a guys eyes out yet you have absolutely no problem with that yet a scene with her having sex with batman disturbs you? sexuality is natural and it's been a part of catwomans character for centuries. scene was even E rated if you compare it to movie sex scenes.



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I think we know the answer. It contributes nothing but bad writing and the realization of teen boy fantasies. I think saying so doesn't make me a prude. I think it just makes me aware of the cheap trick the writers are using.

bad writing? did you even read the issue? judd winnick has done superbly on the catwoman series. both 1 and 2 are remarkable and perfectly display the raw unfiltered tone of the catwoman reboot. it seems to me you have no problem with violence being graphically displayed but a sex scene where no penetration and the people are fully clothed bothers you. yes very prudish. you asked earlier what did it contribute to the story? it contributed to us knowing the mindset of this new rebooted catwoman how she interacts with this batman basically treating him like a toy and discarding him after shes done with him. just like a cat. it wasn't meant to be a love scene it was meant to show how twisted and untamed her attraction for batman is and vice versa.

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I think Anne is ''bland looking'' most of the time, but you cant deny her acting talents.

really? i've only seen her in a few films and her acting was EXTREMELY wooden. i came on this board the minute i heard catwoman would be appearing in the new batman. However i was quite disappointed to find it was anne playing her. i really can't imagine her pulling off the confident sexiness that catwoman exudes.


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the question should be WHY NOT show it. not why it was shown. in that very same issue catwoman is clawing a guys eyes out yet you have absolutely no problem with that yet a scene with her having sex with batman disturbs you? sexuality is natural and it's been a part of catwomans character for centuries. scene was even E rated if you compare it to movie sex scenes.
The sex scene was bad because it was pornographic. Catwoman doesn't even know his real name, which isn't the smartest move either. The writer made a strong, beautiful female character into a desperate slave to her own lust. Which was somehow triggered by her apartment being blown apart.

Having Catwoman claw the eye out of a criminal, for a friend, doesn't compare .

Don't lie to yourself, the writer here didn't put the sex scene because it was "natural." Going to the toilet is natural as well, why aren't we getting any toilet scenes?

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Yes. Because nothing turns a girl on more than having her apartment blown up.


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Eh, it really wasn't that explicit, all things considered. If they had panels depicting fully nude bodies performing sex acts, then we'd be having a different discussion.

I still thought it was garbage, though.

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Don't know where you got desperation from, but Selina acting on her desires is not out of character at all.

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I guess I just have a hard time accepting the idea of Batman as a sexually-active individual. So to see him engage in sex is weird for me.

Maybe I'm not up to date on my Batman comics, but he never really struck me as a character who would succumb to that particular desire - no matter how natural it may be. That's why I've always appreciated the sexual tension between Batman/Talia and Batman/Catwoman. He cares for them, but they're not exactly part of the plan. He's constantly waging war with himself when it comes to these women.

To open himself up like that to another human being would make him vulnerable. And that's not something he can allow.

But again, I could be completely ignorant here.

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Having a sexless Batman never sat right with me for a variety of reasons. A public and attractive figure such as Bruce would immediately attract gossip and attention should his constant aversion to physical encounters with women reach a boiling point. Also, to write off a basic human drive as mere distraction, reeks of a misunderstanding in human nature. I'm open to contention here, but repression of natural urges would logically be the behavior that leads to more complications, and thus, said distractions.

A fair compromise would be a Bruce who refuses long-term romance, but isn't so uptight in short-term "engagements". You can keep his humanity while simultaneously giving him that confined space he chooses to box himself in.

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I guess I just have a hard time accepting the idea of Batman as a sexually-active individual. So to see him engage in sex is weird for me.
Apparently Batman and Catwoman talk dirty during sex. "Filthy" is how its described. I can easily imagine Catwoman doing that, but Batman? Lol, not really. I might be ignorant on that though. Everytime I try to imagine what Batman would say, there's always a "bat" involed: Bat-cock, Bat-balls, Bat-nipple, etc...
Theyre also into the rough stuff too. Probably some choking and slapping and hair pulling going on.

Actually i take back my opinion that Batman wouldnt talk dirty during sex. Never thought about it until now but considering what he does on a nightly basis, the violence and all that anger inside would "influence" how he has sex. Especially semi anonymous sex with a chick who's just as into it as he is.

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I'm on the side of those who don't understand the controversy.... I always assumed Bruce had sex with celebrities, supermodels, etc and as Batman (his true self) he loved and made love to several superheroes. I figured they just never showed it on a comic book panel or a cartoon show because, yeah, those shows are meant for kids. But even when Justice League/Justice League Unlimited was on the air, I figured Bruce and Diana (Wonder Woman) probably got it on once or twice. It's natural, human... especially when they fought alongside each other risking life and limb saving the world several times over. Two people with common goals who go through hell together form a bond unlike any other...and if there's sexual/physical attraction on top of it... oh forget it.. the sexual tension would be overwhelming and they would succumb to it.

Soooo... I always assumed Batman had sex with Catwoman, Talia, Wonder Woman... he may secretly fantasize about Poison Ivy... got it on with Barbara Gordon (in the Animated Series continuity)... and probably several others.

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Actually i take back my opinion that Batman wouldnt talk dirty during sex. Never thought about it until now but considering what he does on a nightly basis, the violence and all that anger inside would "influence" how he has sex. Especially semi anonymous sex with a chick who's just as into it as he is.
Like it or not, Batman and Catwoman both enjoy beating the crap out of people every night... so yeah... I would expect them to enjoy it rough in the sack. They have violent tendencies in their every day lives... those things can carry into their sexual appetites as well.

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Having a sexless Batman never sat right with me for a variety of reasons. A public and attractive figure such as Bruce would immediately attract gossip and attention should his constant aversion to physical encounters with women reach a boiling point. Also, to write off a basic human drive as mere distraction, reeks of a misunderstanding in human nature. I'm open to contention here, but repression of natural urges would logically be the behavior that leads to more complications, and thus, said distractions.

A fair compromise would be a Bruce who refuses long-term romance, but isn't so uptight in short-term "engagements". You can keep his humanity while simultaneously giving him that confined space he chooses to box himself in.
See, this is where things get tricky.

I don't so much mind the idea of "Billionaire playboy Bruce Wayne" having sex. For a media darling, that's to be expected.

But Bruce having sex with celebrities, much like everything else in his day life, would be a front. It's for appearance's sake - solely to deflect suspicion off of himself. Even having a one-night stand with a gorgeous model would be for the sake of Batman - not necessarily for personal pleasure.

But with Selina and Talia (and other female characters), there's a personal and intimate connection. Suddenly, Bruce Wayne is making decisions despite what they may mean for Batman. The line between the two personas would be blurred. Again, it may just be my personal interpretation, but he can't allow Bruce Wayne to bleed into Batman. The two have to be separate.

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I guess I just have a hard time accepting the idea of Batman as a sexually-active individual. So to see him engage in sex is weird for me.

Maybe I'm not up to date on my Batman comics, but he never really struck me as a character who would succumb to that particular desire - no matter how natural it may be. That's why I've always appreciated the sexual tension between Batman/Talia and Batman/Catwoman. He cares for them, but they're not exactly part of the plan. He's constantly waging war with himself when it comes to these women.

To open himself up like that to another human being would make him vulnerable. And that's not something he can allow.

But again, I could be completely ignorant here.
I think you are completely right. Great post.

But on another note, I think I'm also done with this discussion. I'm tired of being labeled a prude, a feminist (I'm male, btw), and someone who has an overly romanticized view of things. All this from folks who haven't taken the time to properly understand my argument, and instead have leaped to sterotypes of what they think I'm saying. Thankfully there have been a number of posters through the past pages that have understood me properly as well, so it isn't a total wash.

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I think you are completely right. Great post.

But on another note, I think I'm also done with this discussion. I'm tired of being labeled a prude, a feminist (I'm male, btw), and someone who has an overly romanticized view of things. All this from folks who haven't taken the time to properly understand my argument, and instead have leaped to sterotypes of what they think I'm saying. Thankfully there have been a number of posters through the past pages that have understood me properly as well, so it isn't a total wash.

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I'm all for Batman having sex, but the way it was done was really cheap IMO. I couldn't help but think it was there just for the sake of showing sex.

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Eh, it really wasn't that explicit, all things considered. If they had panels depicting fully nude bodies performing sex acts, then we'd be having a different discussion.

I still thought it was garbage, though.
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I just believe that Selina is a person who sees shades of gray and is ambiguous.
This is what makes her highly complex which can lead to her easily being misunderstood.

Deep down, she's a good person but makes mistakes. She definitely has her flaws just like everybody else does. Definitely Batman saw that she was a good person. He even found her confusing. He even asked her how she can disregard societal laws but yet casually risk her life to save others. This was in the issue where Joker revealed why he made Catwoman a killing magnet which including him saying that Batman and Catwoman are made for each other and that there is true love between them. Catwoman's gray approach to life challenged Batman's black and white perception of the world. She wasn't evil nor was she insane. This led to him not even really attempting hard to arrest her and turn her over to the police. He even helped Selina stay hidden after she was believed to be dead. He didn't want her to be killed nor arrested. Selina even asked him why did he help her, and he responded that she is a good person deep down inside and wanted her to see that. Of course, there was a strong connection between them. There was a strong mutual attraction between them that they tried to fight. Catwoman covered it up through her flirting and teasing. Batman covered it up through his discipline and reserve and his sense of duty. It was only until Catwoman reformed that Batman allowed himself to get close to Catwoman.

Selina is a very strong,independent woman, and she doesn't want to be dependent on anybody. She's been dependent on people before, and it led to some bad things. She definitely doesn't want to be controlled by others in any way. She definitely doesn't want to answer to any man. I actually see her as feminist type that has a disregard for the patriarchy because she doesn't trust it. There is corruption among the police and the wealthy.


The more I read the old Catwoman stuff and other things that explain about her, the more that I appreciate her as a comic book character and that she's far more than just TnA.
I'd like to see media that captures the real Catwoman.

I am hoping Catwoman is vindicated on the big screen. I don't want to see an evil, teasing Julie Newmar Catwoman nor a psychotic Michelle Pfeiffer Catwoman. I certainly don't want to see some weird supernatural acting literally like a cat Halle Berry Catwoman who wasn't even Selina Kyle. I want to see the catburglar,jewel thief Catwoman who has a moral center and is attracted to Batman and doesn't kill just like she was originally created to be. I want to see the highly independent and intelligent woman that is hard to kill and capture. I want to see a woman that's sexual with her mind and not necessarily with her body. That's the real Catwoman.

I think Anne Hathaway will make a good Catwoman because she can play well in sexy roles (Havoc) and action roles (Get Smart). I don't let her Princess Diary roles and other nice girl roles keep me from thinking that she can't be Catwoman. She's shown versatility in her acting throughout the 2000's. Anne is a very intense person,and a lot of people seem to overlook that. It's that very intensity that leads to be very strong and sexual. Intensity tends to be subtle and something that's below the surface. There is much depth. She's a perfect example of that a book can't be judged by its cover. There is one scene in Get Smart where she got past electronic security. When I saw Catwoman doing that in The Batman cartoon, it reminded me of Anne Hathaway's Get Smart scene. I believe that Anne Hathaway will play a great Catwoman and help Catwoman be more popular. It looks like Chris Nolan is planning on Catwoman being an anti-hero who can handle high tech equipment.


As a person who has been wrong judged by people others based on impressions, I am not the type of person to do the same to others.

People thought I was weak and couldn't fight because I am very softspoken and have a pretty boy-like appearance.
They even mistook me for being a homosexual. I don't fit male stereotypes. Those experiences lead me to be a strong supporter of women's rights and homosexual rights. Under my soft,gentle exterior is an intensity that I have to keep in check. If I get angry, I can easily get out of control. I am for the most part, very reserved.


I was the type that was believed to be mentally retarded because of my Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD. I actually have above average intelligence like many people with Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD. If it wasn't for special education therapies, I'd still come across to people as mentally retarded or autistic. Now..I come off as somebody that is just a little ditzy,spacy,odd, or Aspergers. Because of my experiences, I am neurodiversity advocate and I run a Developmental Neurodiversity Association facebook group.


I won't be surprised if Anne Hathaway proves people wrong. From what I read, she's working very hard on her role as Catwoman to the point that her intensity has gotten her a little carried away when she accidentally gave a stunt man a black eye and ripped through a lot of costumes because she puts a lot emotionally and physically into her acting. I saw photos of her fighting a guy on the bridge, and the intensity showed in her face.


I am not going to judge her based on her Princess Diary roles and other goody goody roles. If people judge her based on that, then maybe it shows that she such a believable actress that people pidgeon-hole and think that she's just that. However, she's been other roles too. She has versatility.

Man...I laughed when she was accused of being clumsy and not coordinated based on her Princess Diary roles. She looked very coordinated when she was playing Agent 99.


I can't wait to see Selina Kyle/Catwoman in the next movie.
I honestly believe that Anne Hathaway will steal the show.

I wouldn't want Angelina Jolie to play Selina Kyle/Catwoman because she's such an obvious choice. She's always known for having sex appeal. It would seem too cliche for her to play Selina Kyle/Catwoman.
With Anne Hathaway, you don't know what to expect. She has a lot of doubters. She will bring the unexpected.



One thing that really bothered me is how people had talked bad about Anne's looks. I even read a few people that said that she was ugly. I was confused by that. I always thought Anne is a beautiful woman. It may not be just her physical appearance but also her personality. I have looked at photos of her, and I see a lot of sex appeal in them. I see it definitely in her eyes. Some people said that she has Disney eyes. In pictures, her eyes seem like they are penetrating too. The intensity that she has shows through in photos. It does on the screen too.

She may not have D cup breasts, but she's definitely well-shaped. She has an ample bosom. I believe that she has a nice figure.

I have seen her get criticized for being thin. There are people that prefer Angelina Jolie, but she is rather thin. I don't get that.

I admit that it would have been nice to see a dark haired green-eyed gal cast as Catwoman. I always found that look very attractive. Jennifer Connolly is somebody that I would think think that would have been good if she was younger.

I also like Olivia Wilde. She looked great in Tron Legacy.
Carrie Ann Moss is another. I couldn't help notice that some of the Brubaker Catwoman drawings look like her. Carrie Ann Moss was great in the Matrix movies.


There is a lot of controversy about the Catwoman costume, but I am not complaining about it. I actually like the costume. It looks modern and high tech. She doesn't have to look like a dominatrix nor show any skin. I wish that she had a cowl , and I admit that I am a little disappointed about that. The Julie Newmar thing looks good. It's a classic. Anne's Selina Kyle looks classic too. I don't think the movie is going to fail because of Anne Hathaway and her Catwoman costume.


Catwoman's sex appeal wasn't just from her body. It was from the way she communicated and presented herself. Her intelligence and wit made her sexy. The mutual attraction that she has with Batman and their sexual tension are other factors.


Bob Kane said that he created Catwoman to be an antagonist and to play off the attraction between opposites.
He also created her for sex appeal and to draw in female readers.


Catwoman paved the way for many other female comic characters to be created ,and that even includes Wonder Woman. She was actually created before Wonder Woman.
Catwoman is definitely an iconic fictional female character.


I think of Catwoman as that shades of gray woman that can't be pinned down. That is what is what confuses,attracts,and repels the Batman who views the world in black and white. It's not just her teasing and flirting with him.

In the comics, Bruce Wayne/Batman referred to criminals as being superstitious and cowardly. He chose to dress like a Bat to put the fear in criminals.
I don't think that fits Selina Kyle/Catwoman. She certainly was never afraid of him. If anything, his dressing like bat made her more curious about him and attracted to him. Of course, her attraction to him went beyond the costume.


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See, this is where things get tricky.

I don't so much mind the idea of "Billionaire playboy Bruce Wayne" having sex. For a media darling, that's to be expected.

But Bruce having sex with celebrities, much like everything else in his day life, would be a front. It's for appearance's sake - solely to deflect suspicion off of himself. Even having a one-night stand with a gorgeous model would be for the sake of Batman - not necessarily for personal pleasure.
It begs the question then, is Bruce inherently a sexless being who is just going through the motions to keep up a facade? Or does he enjoy it like everyone else, in spite of viewing it as a diversion?

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But with Selina and Talia (and other female characters), there's a personal and intimate connection. Suddenly, Bruce Wayne is making decisions despite what they may mean for Batman. The line between the two personas would be blurred. Again, it may just be my personal interpretation, but he can't allow Bruce Wayne to bleed into Batman. The two have to be separate.
Again, carrying out a relationship is where Bruce would draw the line. Intimacy might be present and at times sexual encounters grow from it, but I don't think that ultimately gets in the way of "the mission" if he maintains it at minor occurrences or in small doses. That's how it's been portrayed since the very beginning. I can't recall many instances in which Bruce outright forbids physical connections with anyone.

Truthfully BB and TDK is the only time it has been implicit that Bruce is genuinely incapable of forming any type of real, romantic bond. Just going by the general timeline, I don't see any room for it. And Bale's performance certainly doesn't indicate it's there. I'd be interested to hear Nolan's thoughts on it. I've always suspected his tendency to shy away from sexuality in general has reflected on his direction for Batman. It managed to work since it's not a terribly integral element of the character. But it is interesting as almost every other iteration has at least referenced Bruce's many flings.

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Truthfully BB and TDK is the only time it has been implicit that Bruce is genuinely incapable of forming any type of real, romantic bond. Just going by the general timeline, I don't see any room for it. And Bale's performance certainly doesn't indicate it's there. I'd be interested to hear Nolan's thoughts on it. I've always suspected his tendency to shy away from sexuality in general has reflected on his direction for Batman. It managed to work since it's not a terribly integral element of the character. But it is interesting as almost every other iteration has at least referenced Bruce's many flings.
As you said, there hasn't been room for it. BB and especially TDK are so packed with story that if a true romance had been written in, it would have been done incredibly poorly and been a real weakness of the film.

Nolan and Bale's interpretation of a romantically immature Bruce Wayne likely worked best for what the plot in that timespan is capable of. And that's what I think it is - he's not necessarily incapable, just romantically immature, which certainly isn't unheard of for someone of his financial stature in his early 30's anyway.

And as for Wayne/Batman acting on his sexual urges, it's not a terribly important part of the character for me, so I'm not strongly opposed or in favor of the thought either way. It all depends on the interpretation. Like, I can't imagine Miller's TDKR Batman having a real intimate relationship because that Batman's really messed up. But other interpretations where Wayne is a little more grounded, I can see it.

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...Are we still discussing the sex scene between Batman and Catwoman in Catwoman? o.o

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