The Joker sized elephant in the room

diabolik · 11-08-2011, 05:02 PM

So how there HAS to be some talk mention or screen time for him in this final film right? They can't destroy Gotham, connect everything to the other films...and totally leave him out.

How do you think it will be handled ( if at all )

thewhyteman · 11-08-2011, 05:32 PM

Logically, I think they will mention him. He is after all Batman's greatest villain. I have no doubt absent Ledger's passing, Joker would play a decent size roll in the third.

So I would think it would be done with Dialog. Possibly between Batman and Gordan towards the beginning of the movie.

Troy_Parker · 11-08-2011, 05:33 PM

Maybe Batman will ask Gordon about him.

"How's the clown?"

I don't know, something like that.

Doc Samson · 11-08-2011, 05:49 PM

If, indeed, Bruce is to continue his journey beyond these films in our minds imagination, a very corny way of doing it would be for him to hear the Joker escapes at the end. And I'd enjoy every second of it

TinkerTailor · 11-08-2011, 05:54 PM

I think his influence is going to be felt purely because of the position Batman finds himself in at the start of the film. Hunted by GCPD and taking the weight for Dent's crimes.

87vertgt · 11-08-2011, 06:25 PM

Good Thread...I've been meaning to ask this myself......

How are they going to continue the storyline???? They must have something really good up their sleeve as part 3 was in mind when part 1 and 2 were created.

At the same time. The Joker can get out of any situation as he's proved time and time again. How do they keep him locked up this time? I dont think they can.

Boom · 11-08-2011, 06:58 PM

I don't necessarily see a problem here.

The Joker's story arc was completed in TDK, and he's behind bars.

AnneFan · 11-08-2011, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TinkerTailor

I think his influence is going to be felt purely because of the position Batman finds himself in at the start of the film. Hunted by GCPD and taking the weight for Dent's crimes.

This I agree with. Joker is finished with, and his legacy is all that's left. Enter Bane.

Pontillo · 11-08-2011, 07:04 PM

would like to hear his name mentioned at least once. If he's totally ignore it will be wrong imo.

Just_Human · 11-08-2011, 07:06 PM

There could be some subtle reference, without having to mention him or his name.

Like how some Gothamites don't trust anyone or have gone crazy ( as the Joker himself said in TDK)

Remember in TDK, they talk about the Arkham psychos Joker has hired.
At the end of BB, Gordon is worried about the ex Arkham inmates who were still out there.
But in TDK, there was no mention of the LOS or RAG ( correct me if Im wrong)

Back to TDKR, they could also bring up the fact that all mob is locked up or killed

The Joker · 11-08-2011, 07:12 PM

Since Harvey Dent is obviously getting a few mentions, I think the Joker is guaranteed one, too, since he was instrumental in Harvey's downfall. It looks like the whole Harvey Dent legacy is part of Bane's plan.

Unless there's an Arkham breakout, there's no problem story wise with Joker being absent.

Victarion · 11-08-2011, 07:20 PM

If Ledger were still alive, I could see Joker serving as the judge, just because he targeted Dent in TDK and because one of his stories about his past involved his wife getting involved with the mob. The scene could've elaborated more on Joker's past through the sentences he passed on the upperclass rich--businessmen and elected officials who were tied with the mob--and progressed Bane's plan for Gotham.

WiseBrook · 11-08-2011, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 87vertgt

Good Thread...I've been meaning to ask this myself......

How are they going to continue the storyline???? They must have something really good up their sleeve as part 3 was in mind when part 1 and 2 were created.

Ive never heard any indication that this story was conceived during the earlier films. They said that TDK was originally planned as two sequels. But Im sure they do have something up their sleeve.

jmc · 11-08-2011, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by diabolik

So how there HAS to be some talk mention or screen time for him in this final film right? They can't destroy Gotham, connect everything to the other films...and totally leave him out.

How do you think it will be handled ( if at all )

That's assuming connections to previous film are the driving force of the movie. I'll hazzard a guess and say they won't.

Ultra Lantern · 11-08-2011, 09:48 PM

I don't think they need to mention Joker.

HisMagicTrick · 11-08-2011, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Just_Human

There could be some subtle reference, without having to mention him or his name.

Like how some Gothamites don't trust anyone or have gone crazy ( as the Joker himself said in TDK)

Remember in TDK, they talk about the Arkham psychos Joker has hired.
At the end of BB, Gordon is worried about the ex Arkham inmates who were still out there.
But in TDK, there was no mention of the LOS or RAG ( correct me if Im wrong)

Back to TDKR, they could also bring up the fact that all mob is locked up or killed

Yes I was actually thinking about this. I mean, I really hope there will be some mention of the Joker, but if Ras Al Gul wasn't brought up in TDK then there's a chance the Joker won't be in this one. But, as others have said, because Harvey will be spoken about in TDKR then maybe the Joker will.

The Joker · 11-08-2011, 09:52 PM

Ra's was different. Neither Gotham City or Gordon knew of his existence. Only Batman did. Everyone in Gotham is aware of the Joker. He made one hell of an impression on them. One that is still going to have repercussions in this.

HisMagicTrick · 11-08-2011, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultra Lantern

I don't think they need to mention Joker.

Don't say that!!!

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HisMagicTrick · 11-08-2011, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Joker

Ra's was different. Neither Gotham City or Gordon knew of his existence. Only Batman did. Everyone in Gotham is aware of the Joker. He made one hell of an impression on them. One that is still going to have repercussions in this.

Good point.

Armored Avenger · 11-08-2011, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by HisMagicTrick

Yes I was actually thinking about this. I mean, I really hope there will be some mention of the Joker, but if Ras Al Gul wasn't brought up in TDK then there's a chance the Joker won't be in this one. But, as others have said, because Harvey will be spoken about in TDKR then maybe the Joker will.

The main difference between the lack of mention of Ra's and a potential lack of mention of the Joker is that the public are unaware that Ra's and the League of Shadows were behind the fear toxin attack. The viral for The Dark Knight made it clear that the people of Gotham believe that Scarecrow and an unknown Terrorist group were responsible.
The Joker made himself a well known, self publicised force within the city and threatened the populace on television, walked the streets shooting at cars, blew up a hospital (after telling everyone in Gotham that he would) and forced an evacuation.

Armored Avenger · 11-08-2011, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Joker

Ra's was different. Neither Gotham City or Gordon knew of his existence. Only Batman did. Everyone in Gotham is aware of the Joker. He made one hell of an impression on them. One that is still going to have repercussions in this.

Exactly my point, only bought up a few minutes before. The bat boards move too fast for me.

Just_Human · 11-08-2011, 10:11 PM

Good points, guys

GunRanger · 11-08-2011, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Joker

Ra's was different. Neither Gotham City or Gordon knew of his existence. Only Batman did. Everyone in Gotham is aware of the Joker. He made one hell of an impression on them. One that is still going to have repercussions in this.

The entire city was under attack by The League (with biological weapons), and they had to evacuate. They also said they infiltrated every level of their city. No reference at all of the massive attack or destruction from Begins in TDK is glaring.

The Joker · 11-08-2011, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by GunRanger

The entire city was under attack by The League (with biological weapons), and they had to evacuate. They also said they infiltrated every level of their city. No reference at all of the massive attack or destruction from Begins in TDK is glaring.

The entire city was not attacked or evacuated. All the damage was contained on the Narrows Island.

Gordon: "The Narrows is lost"

That was the only damage done by the LOS. Their plot was foiled and Ra's was killed. Everything was wrapped up. The only loose end was Crane, who appeared in TDK. Oh and Falcone got a mention of being in Arkham and his empire was taken over by Maroni.

jmc · 11-08-2011, 10:24 PM

The reason no reference is made in TDK to the events of Begins is because the story is self contained and the events of the previous film are irrelevant, even though it's a sequel. Rises will more than likely be the same.

11-08-2011, 05:02 PM	#1
diabolik Side-Kick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: NY Posts: 1,401	The Joker sized elephant in the room So how there HAS to be some talk mention or screen time for him in this final film right? They can't destroy Gotham, connect everything to the other films...and totally leave him out. How do you think it will be handled ( if at all )

11-08-2011, 05:32 PM	#2
thewhyteman I got yer side-kick Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: In the dirty dirty. Posts: 1,067	Re: The Joker sized elephant in the room Logically, I think they will mention him. He is after all Batman's greatest villain. I have no doubt absent Ledger's passing, Joker would play a decent size roll in the third. So I would think it would be done with Dialog. Possibly between Batman and Gordan towards the beginning of the movie. __________________ This is your life, and it's ending one minute at a time. ~Chuck Palahniuk

11-08-2011, 05:33 PM	#3
Troy_Parker Banned User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: YooKay Posts: 11,241	Re: The Joker sized elephant in the room Maybe Batman will ask Gordon about him. "How's the clown?" I don't know, something like that.

11-08-2011, 05:49 PM	#4
Doc Samson Superhero Psychiatrist Join Date: May 2007 Location: GammaBase Posts: 4,364	Re: The Joker sized elephant in the room If, indeed, Bruce is to continue his journey beyond these films in our minds imagination, a very corny way of doing it would be for him to hear the Joker escapes at the end. And I'd enjoy every second of it __________________ "I don't give a ** what you say. If I go out there and miss game winners, and people say, 'Kobe choked, or Kobe is seven for whatever in pressure situations,' Well, you. Because I don't play for your *** approval. I play for my own love and enjoyment of the game. And to win. That's what I play for." - Kobe Bryant "As of right now, I don't know what he do good, cause what may work on another fighter is not gonna work on me."** - Floyd Mayweather

11-08-2011, 05:54 PM	#5
TinkerTailor Pest Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: England Posts: 761	Re: The Joker sized elephant in the room I think his influence is going to be felt purely because of the position Batman finds himself in at the start of the film. Hunted by GCPD and taking the weight for Dent's crimes. Last edited by TinkerTailor; 11-08-2011 at 07:00 PM.

11-08-2011, 06:25 PM	#6
87vertgt Dark Knight Junkie Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Chicago South Loop Posts: 176	Re: The Joker sized elephant in the room Good Thread...I've been meaning to ask this myself...... How are they going to continue the storyline???? They must have something really good up their sleeve as part 3 was in mind when part 1 and 2 were created. At the same time. The Joker can get out of any situation as he's proved time and time again. How do they keep him locked up this time? I dont think they can.

11-08-2011, 06:58 PM	#7
Boom I got nothin' Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sitting on the nitpicket fence Posts: 32,682	Re: The Joker sized elephant in the room I don't necessarily see a problem here. The Joker's story arc was completed in TDK, and he's behind bars. __________________ Everything in this post is my fault. Last edited by Boom; 11-08-2011 at 07:04 PM.

11-08-2011, 07:04 PM	#9
Pontillo Side-Kick Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 90	Re: The Joker sized elephant in the room would like to hear his name mentioned at least once. If he's totally ignore it will be wrong imo.

11-08-2011, 07:06 PM	#10
Just_Human Side-Kick Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,787	Re: The Joker sized elephant in the room There could be some subtle reference, without having to mention him or his name. Like how some Gothamites don't trust anyone or have gone crazy ( as the Joker himself said in TDK) Remember in TDK, they talk about the Arkham psychos Joker has hired. At the end of BB, Gordon is worried about the ex Arkham inmates who were still out there. But in TDK, there was no mention of the LOS or RAG ( correct me if Im wrong) Back to TDKR, they could also bring up the fact that all mob is locked up or killed

11-08-2011, 07:12 PM	#11
The Joker Clown Prince of Crime Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Jollity Farm Posts: 38,426	Re: The Joker sized elephant in the room Since Harvey Dent is obviously getting a few mentions, I think the Joker is guaranteed one, too, since he was instrumental in Harvey's downfall. It looks like the whole Harvey Dent legacy is part of Bane's plan. Unless there's an Arkham breakout, there's no problem story wise with Joker being absent. __________________ "Sometimes I remember it one way. Sometimes another. If I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice!" - The Joker

11-08-2011, 07:20 PM	#12
Victarion Cut Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 12,938	Re: The Joker sized elephant in the room If Ledger were still alive, I could see Joker serving as the judge, just because he targeted Dent in TDK and because one of his stories about his past involved his wife getting involved with the mob. The scene could've elaborated more on Joker's past through the sentences he passed on the upperclass rich--businessmen and elected officials who were tied with the mob--and progressed Bane's plan for Gotham. __________________ "...the historians will write of our suffering, and they will speak of it as the suffering of those who served the Crippled God. As something … fitting. And for our seeming fanaticism they will dismiss all that we were, and think only of what we achieved. Or failed to achieve. And in so doing, they will miss the whole ****ing point.”

11-08-2011, 09:48 PM	#15
Ultra Lantern In Darkest Night! Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: The future Posts: 5,307	Re: The Joker sized elephant in the room I don't think they need to mention Joker. __________________ My journey from 500 years in the future is to change the chaos inflicted by The Thread Manager.I know the fate of everyone.I only have one weakness.I have to recharge my ring every 72 hours.

11-08-2011, 09:52 PM	#17
The Joker Clown Prince of Crime Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Jollity Farm Posts: 38,426	Re: The Joker sized elephant in the room Ra's was different. Neither Gotham City or Gordon knew of his existence. Only Batman did. Everyone in Gotham is aware of the Joker. He made one hell of an impression on them. One that is still going to have repercussions in this. __________________ "Sometimes I remember it one way. Sometimes another. If I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice!" - The Joker

11-08-2011, 10:11 PM	#22
Just_Human Side-Kick Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,787	Re: The Joker sized elephant in the room Good points, guys

11-08-2011, 10:24 PM	#25
jmc callin' it like I see it Join Date: May 2007 Location: I come from the land Down Under Posts: 21,731	Re: The Joker sized elephant in the room The reason no reference is made in TDK to the events of Begins is because the story is self contained and the events of the previous film are irrelevant, even though it's a sequel. Rises will more than likely be the same.

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