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While I don't know how The Joker will be handled in TDKR, I'm fairly certain this film will link to the previous films rather blatantly. The press says Ra's is back in some form, Scarecrow is rumored to be back, Bane rips up Dent's photo, and Nolan has said no to The Joker appearing in the new film because it makes him uncomfortable. But a reference, who knows.
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I like to think that Joker will never die. He seems like that evil spirit that moves from host to host. In his mind, I think he feels he won and that there isn't anything left for him to do.
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^^ Great work in compiling all those quotes, MagnarTheGreat. Those pretty much sum up why I'm not with jmc on this one. TDK did very much feel like a self-contained movie, but TDKR from what we've heard sounds like it will be anything but.
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Well because he was a serious threat to Gotham last movie and was well known. To not even mention him after what happened would be silly IMO.
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But that threat ended when TDK ended. The Joker is not in the movie so why does he need to be mentioned?
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For me, to make it seem "real". If your city was shut down for a day last week by a maniac and covered by the news, would you forget him and never mention it? Alternatively, if you were a vigilante and fought a foe that helped kill the love of your life and destroy someone you admired, would you just forget him and never mention the situation you were put through?
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The Joker is also a major reason why Batman is now wanted for several murders, including Harvey Dent's. The only reason Batman took the fall for Dent was to stop Joker from winning by letting Gotham's spirit be destroyed by seeing what Joker did to Dent and having all his good work undone.
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Second, in the REAL world people dont talk about famous killers everyday months after they were killed/caught. Example: Ghadaffi, Bin Laden Third, just because something isnt mentioned doesnt mean they have forgotten it. Fourth, these are Batman movies. They are not suposed to be "real". Fifth, The Dark Knight didnt bring up Ra's or Chill. Did that movie feel less real because of it? Sixth, and most important of all. Possibly the most important rule of writing. Everything in a movie has to have a reason for it to be there. Every line, every character, everything must have a point. Bringing up something that isnt relevant to whats happening in the movie with no point is, well pointless. Even if it feels less real(which is not true) I rather it would be a little less real than Nolan adding pointless dialogue. When Batman is fighting Bane or having a romantic scene with Catwoman, not even you are gonna think 'why are they not talking about the Joker'. |
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If the sixth rule is most important, why does Blackgate need to be dedicated to Harvey? Why do they need to mention Harvey at all, both of the Nolan's when asked to confirm Two-Face's death said his death was the end of his arc, yet here he is being mentioned several times in the film.
If Joker isn't mentioned, that's cool, Batman would have other things on his mind and wouldn't necesarrily bring Joker up, unless talking to Gordon or Alfred and comparing him to Bane. But people will want to hear it, most people went to see TDK because of Joker and Ledger and due to his magnificent performance it would just be strange to mention every other major villain except Joker. |
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I see your argument laderlappen, but for #2, ppl still bring up those people. Especially when something similar happens and they compare the people involved. And your #4 reason is what a lot of people on here keep forgetting about these movies. This is a realistic take on the Batman universe and is very much supposed to feel "real".
And I'm sure there is going to be a point in the movie where it will be relevant to mention the Joker. In no way am I wanting someone to out of the blue say "hey! You guyz remember the joker man? Wasn't he crazy?" because that would be, well, pointless. |
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Then there's Bane. He obviously finds out about what happened to Dent if those pics of him standing in public and tearing up photos of Dent is anything to go by. How does he find out about what happened with Dent? Quote:
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Great post, Joker.
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my feeling is if FREAKING scarecrow can be a part of all 3 films, the Joker better get a nod in this finale as well...
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Sorry, no can do. I'm very thorough in my responses. I like to address a post with several points individually.
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And I can't be stuffed replying to it.
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I think it would be kinda cool if they said something about joker escaping at the end or something...
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The destruction of the train, hardly something that would pop up in conversation now is it? It's just a train. They can make another one. Gordon and Gotham didn't know about the League or Ra's. Do we ever see Batman mention them by name to Gordon? I'm sure I'll manage to live with that ![]()
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Personally, I think it would be redundant considering the similarities with BB's ending.
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For me I guess it depends on how much time has passed between films two and three. If it's not much (idunno, say a year), then I feel like the Joker's presence should still be felt. But if it's been a few years or more...I think he can go without mention.
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i dont think i agree with this. i believe that the events of the dark knight will have a profound effect on the the dark knight rises. a lot more so than batman begins to the dark knight anyway. Rises will most likely connect all three movies together and will have mentions of the events from both begins and the dark knight.
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