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Old 12-22-2011, 06:03 PM   #26
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Having a voice alteration does not automatically make him the new Darth Vader.

For one, a majority of people understood what Vader says. Two, Vader was a villain created from scratch, Bane is an adaptation of a character.

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Old 12-22-2011, 09:38 PM   #27
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Weird thread is weird.

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Old 12-24-2011, 04:51 PM   #28
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Why so serious?

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Old 12-24-2011, 09:53 PM   #29
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Darth Vader is a supremely mainstream villain.
Bane, is not. And regardless of how popular this movie is, it will not be as widespread or long lasting as starwars.

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Old 12-24-2011, 10:02 PM   #30
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Half of what made Vader such a badass was James Earl Jones' voice.

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Old 12-24-2011, 11:04 PM   #31
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Well yea, that and he's more a fallen hero who acts as a future vision of what Luke could become. Lets just pretend those new movies don't exist.

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Old 12-25-2011, 03:30 AM   #32
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"Bane.. The new Darth Vader?"

Hahahahaha.

No.

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Old 12-25-2011, 05:09 AM   #33
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In terms of badassery, I agree with the OP.

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Old 12-25-2011, 05:18 PM   #34
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A lot of people thought that Nicholson's joker was supreme.

And now was that true?

This is only a comparision, i'm not saying he'll take Vader's place, I'm just saying he could be a great villian in todays history

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Old 12-25-2011, 08:37 PM   #35
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The similarities are minimum, but:

Bane wears a mask like Darth Vader
Hundreds of villains do. Dr Doom for one

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Bane could die or suffer some pain if his mask is removed, like Darth Vader
That we dont know yet. That certainly wasnt the case with the comic book Bane


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They're agents of chaos, one from the league of shadows and the other from the empire.
Do we know for sure Bane will be serving the League of Shadows? If so, banes one of its thugs (which would be weird for me) and Vader was a lord

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Both are the mastermind behind all the plans
Same can be said about hundreds of villains. Joker's one. Riddler's two. The list goes on

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And the most important: they are the incarnation of pure evil...
That can be said about 99% of the villains and Vader is one of those few in 1%

To be honest Ive never seen and dont see any similarities between vader and Bane. Just because of the mask that is connected to the nervous system? Nah, not by a long shot. Banes a totally different animal

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Old 12-26-2011, 12:20 AM   #36
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They're agents of chaos, one from the league of shadows and the other from the empire.
actually, i'd say the empire was the opposite of chaos. they were extremely organized.

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Both are the mastermind behind all the plans
actually, vader was subservient to the emporer.

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And the most important: they are the incarnation of pure evil...
vader recognized and repented his wrong doing. something pure evil wouldnt do.

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I really don't see much of a comparison. They're both big, tough, and have a mask like thing going on. That's not a whole lot.

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Old 12-26-2011, 12:14 PM   #38
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Chuck Dixon says Darth Vader was actually the inspiration for the Bane character.






I just made that up.

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Old 12-26-2011, 06:13 PM   #39
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vader recognized and repented his wrong doing. something pure evil wouldnt do.
That was ultimately what made him less interesting, unfortunately.

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Even though Bane's pretty front-and-center and the commander of a small militia...he feels more Boba Fett than Vader for some reason. Kinda' more mysterious in a 'free agent' kind of way.

I do't think you can really have another 'Vader' status of movie villain unless you establish something with a scope and setup like Star Wars...and by then, it'd be labeled as trying to 'be like Vader' anyways.

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Old 12-27-2011, 01:37 AM   #41
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That was ultimately what made him less interesting, unfortunately.

I don't agree at all. It was totally the opposite. It's what makes the final battle in Return of The Jedi one of the best and most satisfying on screen.

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I don't agree at all. It was totally the opposite. It's what makes the final battle in Return of The Jedi one of the best and most satisfying on screen.
It gave it a bit more meaning, but it was still a lame movie and ending. I like the idea of the story and all, it's just that the execution really faltered after Empire.

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Old 12-27-2011, 04:27 AM   #43
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It gave it a bit more meaning, but it was still a lame movie and ending. I like the idea of the story and all, it's just that the execution really faltered after Empire.
In what way did it falter and why was it lame?

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Darth Vader turning out to NOT be a one dimensional "pure evil" bad guy, despite his previous actions in the films, is what makes him such a great character.

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In what way did it falter and why was it lame?
It was lame in the way the movie (ROTJ) was paced and directed, and the prequels were remarkably lame as movies altogether. They faltered by lessening the whole by association, and making what could have been a good story (at least in backdrop) feel uninspired and mishandled. Sure, Vader was a 'tragic hero' because of the particulars they made his character experience...but we unfortunately had to sit through some horrible films to see it.

Vader's background, his tragedy, and heck...the Jedi altogether...had more impact when we didn't see their history and it was shrouded in mystery. The portrayed fact that he was that whiny, wooden and annoying young Anakin that we saw in laughably bad movies did not enrich him as a character, nor the movies altogether as a series. Again, the concept was interesting, but ultimately worked better left unseen...because the delivery was rather unbearable.

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It was lame in the way the movie (ROTJ) was paced and directed, and the prequels were remarkably lame as movies altogether. They faltered by lessening the whole by association, and making what could have been a good story (at least in backdrop) feel uninspired and mishandled. Sure, Vader was a 'tragic hero' because of the particulars they made his character experience...but we unfortunately had to sit through some horrible films to see it.
But I wasn't talking about the prequels. I was talking about Return Of The Jedi. These prequels don't exist to me.


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Darth Vader turning out to NOT be a one dimensional "pure evil" bad guy, despite his previous actions in the films, is what makes him such a great character.
I agree. It also enhanced the characters around him. The emporer seems under the impression Luke is guaranteed to be exactly like him. And Luke has deep faith that he still has good in him to the point that he doesn't kill him when he has the opportunity too. You actually see Vader thinking over it while Luke begs to be saved. And thanks Luke for showing him. It's really great and sure better than he was in a new hope.

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But I wasn't talking about the prequels. I was talking about Return Of The Jedi. These prequels don't exist to me.
So was I, if you read carefully. It was badly made and delivered as it was, and got a little more meaning with the prequels...but then...they were the prequels. ROTJ as a move was pretty awful in and of itself.

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Old 12-27-2011, 05:45 PM   #48
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ROTJ is definitely the weakest of the original movies. But the final battle between Luke and Vader, and Vader killing the Emperor, is brilliant.

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Old 12-27-2011, 09:06 PM   #49
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As far as a flat out bad guy goes, I thought the Emporer was better than Vader.
He doesn't just do it, he bloody loves it! To the point he's giggling for joy like a little kid.

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They are two entirely different characters but some similarities can be drawn, both are monsters created from extreme pain.

It makes me wonder that possibly the cause of the problem that Bane wears that mask is his own fault.

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