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Marvel should be applauded for getting it so right with the women who inhabit their universe. Certain other franchises could take a few lessons from them in how to portray women who don't have to strip off or dumb-down in order to be considered useful. |
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Show me Wasp. Show me Ms. Marvel. Show me Scarlet Witch. Show me Shulkie. Hell, show me Tigra. Show me any one of those, and then I *might* agree that Marvel Studios is "getting it right" when it comes to superheroine empowerment. Right now, the X-series is the only one that's doing any justice to its female characters.
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The only x-girls who have been done justice to is Jean Grey (Not Dark Phoenix), Rebecca Romijn's Mystique, Lady Deathstrike and maybe Ellen Page's Kitty. Storm, Jennifer Lawrence's Mystique, Rogue, Emma Frost, Moira, Psylocke, Silverfox and Angel Salvadore were done no justice
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It's interesting that you dismissed BW as a "femme fatale sexpot in a catsuit" while in the next sentence bemoaning the lack of female heroes in the movie. Black Widow might be wearing a catsuit, but she's hardly on the canvas merely for window dressing. It has already been stated that she isn't going to be a damsel or relegated to love interest status. Maria Hill and half of SHIELD also wear similar outfits; Hawkeye is outfitted to display his manly charms; even Coulson turns up in a SHIELD jumpsuit in one promo shot. Would you dismiss them as easily? Also, most of the heroines you named as preferable to BW wear some variation on the "sexy swimsuit" in the comics. She-Hulk and Ms. Marvel wear extremely high-cut thong suits, Wanda wears a strapless version of same, while Tigra (a personal favorite of mine) wears a string bikini. Compared to the way those characters are typically dressed, BW's costume is positively prudish. It's also functional and practical, something that can't be said of a latex thong bathing suit and thigh boots, with a stylishly retro domino mask and a sash that's only going to catch on things. While I would love for there to be more than one heroine in the movie, I'm perfectly happy with the one who is there and how she has been portrayed. Natasha isn't super-powered but she is a very believable badass, something I can't say about every female action hero. She has been treated respectfully by the writers, if not by fans, something Whedon can be expected to continue. BW hasn't been sent off to infiltrate a brothel or strip joint (so far), nor is sexuality the be-all and end-all of the character. Eventually other heroines will be added to the mix, as Feige has said that the team's roster will change in sequels. Wanda will never appear, sadly, but Ms. Marvel is a safe bet, with or without her trademark swimsuit. I don't hold out much hope for Tigra (maybe on EMH) but one day the Wasp will be rescued from Wright's development hell and brought on board. (That despite many male fans saying that she's boring and useless. I wonder why that is?) |
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Also, what Vaughn and Jones did with Emma Frost was a travesty and pretty much destroyed the movie for me. Last edited by Suzanne78; 01-03-2012 at 11:54 PM. |
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On the other hand I don't think that portraying a woman's sexuality is demeaning at all. It is an inherent aspect of a woman's nature. Female sexuality attracts males leading to sex and species perpeptuation. It's an inherent and essential part of nature. Sorry if this offends anyone. |
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I can't believe that you just wrote that, actually. Last edited by Adamantium Man; 01-04-2012 at 06:11 AM. |
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Theres nothing wrong with showing female sexuality. Real women characters don't have to be emotionless gun-toting dudes with vaginas. Based on Whedon's previous experience writing female characters I have high hopes for Black Widow and Maria Hill in this movie.
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I can't believe you have such a poor understanding of reality and human nature. Sexuality permeates every aspect of our life on a day to day basis. This includes music, finances, entertainment, basic day to day apparel, etc., etc., etc. EVERYTHING. You need to do some reading and understand human beings a bit more. Last edited by Shadowlord X; 01-04-2012 at 07:06 AM. |
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The very fact that they chose an attractive woman like Scarlet Johannson to play Black Widow relates to sexuality. As males we would inherently be less interested in her character if she were unattractive.
There is a difference between displaying natural alluring sexuality and being displayed purely as a sex object (as would the case with porn). Last edited by Shadowlord X; 01-04-2012 at 07:05 AM. |
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So, with Jean, Deathstrike, Kitty Pryde, Rogue and not one but *two* Mystiques to their credit, yeah, the X-series has done a fantastic job with portraying empowered women with, er, powers. Quote:
She-Hulk wears a prim one-piece; and she's a bodybuilder. Not exactly pornstar material for the vast majority of horndoggy teenage boys. Ms. Marvel's one-piece is similarly prim by today's standards. Hell, Wonder Woman shows more T&A and cleavage than Carol, and she's supposed to be the poster girl for female empowerment. And Tigra, while she wears a bikini, is covered in fur. Fur. 'Nuff said. And Wasp? Wasp has never dressed sexy. Quote:
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But that's beside the point. We're talking about the presentation of women in media. I'm claiming women don't need to be sexualized to be attractive, and that they can be serious movie characters while wearing clothing that's not sexually revealing. Are you telling me you're only paying attention to a woman when you can see her boobs? Because this would prove some theories I've had regarding males. ![]() Seriously, though, what's wrong with engaging the brain when watching movies, instead of watching them just to get sexual titillation? And on topic, I'm hoping we'll get a kick-ass Maria Hill who's not afraid of talking up to Fury, and who'll tell Tony Stark he's being a dick when he's being a dick, all without needing to be a sex object. There's a difference with being secure in you sexuality and being a sex object. Hint: it's got to do with showing cleavage where it's not necessary. Also, newsflash: unattractive women can be secure in their sexuality. They can also be kickass movie characters. |
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Wow. Ok I'm going to leave people alone with their beliefs, etc.
If people feel that female sexuality in any way on film is a bad thing then you guys must have real problems living in the real world. Kudos to you guys. Subject dropped. |
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Female sexuality is just fine in movies where it is warranted, and blatantly exploitative and pointless where it is not warranted. If *you* choose to need to see sexuality *all* the time when it's not really there at all, sounds to me like *you* have the problems, sir.
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Subject.......dropped.
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Black Widow isn't named after a spider that bites off the head of the male spider she copulates with for nothing. |
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Belief is something you need in church. I'm a scientist. I know exactly where I am where human sexuality is concerned. No belief is necessary. And if you think the real world implies that women need to be sexualized, then you're the one with the problem. I suggest an attitude adjustment, stat. And now the subject is well and truly dropped. |
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Widow as a reason why Marvel Studios is not on par with the x-women in the femme department.
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Now the subject is dropped. But if you feel like it feel free to pick it up (its on the floor amidst the rubbish over there) but I will waste no more of my time on the topic. |
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Hey guys, what up! Missed the last couple pages of discussion.
Man that Cobie Smulders is hot, I hope they show her cleavage and butt a lot! |
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love her work on how i met your mother
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