Discussion: The REPUBLICAN Party IX

[Venom'sDad]

I have to say...imho, Gingrich would destroy Obama in a debate.

[Marx]

Originally Posted by Kelly

Unemployment rate for those without a high school diploma is 15%+

College Degree 4.4%


Certainly doesn't hurt....

...of course it doesn't hurt but I know quite a few people with degrees who cannot seem to get hired anywhere to save their lives.

[SV Fan]

Originally Posted by hippie_hunter

Again, look at all the polling data. It's on there. You see polls that have Mitt Romney, Rick Perry, and Newt Gingrich leading against Obama. Back when Perry and Gingrich were at their height, they were just as competitive with Obama as Paul is.

For argument sake Perry was at his height in 2 polls before he ever debated once(and the Republican media was championing him as the savour of the party), Gingrich constantly gets beaten(usually by large margins) other then 2 polls.

Basically comparing the generic Republican vs Obama to the actual candidate polls tells me nobody likes any of the republican candidates because Generic Republican does much better then them. I still believe if they truly wanted to get rid of Obama, they should have pushed Huntsman more.

Originally Posted by hippie_hunter

I'm not undercutting Paul, I'm just pointing to freaking reality. The reason why any Republican is this close to Obama in the polls, even unelectable ones like Rick Santorum, is because just how weak Obama is.

While I am a Ron Paul supporter, we just can't be delusional to the facts here.

My guess is Paul does better then the other 3 because he actually might take a few votes from the left

[Venom'sDad]

I am so glad to see Romney admit he would sign the NDAA bill, and expose himself as an anti-Constitutionist, anti-Liberty, anti-Bill of Rights Progressive. Thanks Mitt!

[Anita18]

Originally Posted by Marx

...of course it doesn't hurt but I know quite a few people with degrees who cannot seem to get hired anywhere to save their lives.

My friend who graduated with a law degree, and finally got a job using a connection from her dad. Many people with law degrees (which can put you in the hole for 5 figures) don't even have that sort of luck.

And even though community colleges are cheap compared to a lot of things, you still need to have money to pay for it. I'm only going part-time for a certificate and it's still $500 for tuition per semester. Sure they could get student loans, but then they'd have to, ya know, pay it back eventually.

[moraldeficiency]

Originally Posted by SV Fan

For argument sake Perry was at his height in 2 polls before he ever debated once(and the Republican media was championing him as the savour of the party), Gingrich constantly gets beaten(usually by large margins) other then 2 polls.

Basically comparing the generic Republican vs Obama to the actual candidate polls tells me nobody likes any of the republican candidates because Generic Republican does much better then them. I still believe if they truly wanted to get rid of Obama, they should have pushed Huntsman more.



My guess is Paul does better then the other 3 because he actually might take a few votes from the left

Have to agree with all of this. Especially if you toss in independents.

If a random generic does better than you, you shouldn't be a contender though or you're getting slaughtered which is probably gonna be what happens.

[Excel]

Originally Posted by Venom'sDad

I have to say...imho, Gingrich would destroy Obama in a debate.

Never...Gingrich really fed off the rowdy crowd tonight; it's hard to imagine a crowd so favorable in the general election. Even further, a lot of what gingrich says does border on being offensive, whether he likes it or not.

Take "food stamps President". If Newt were to make the same case against Obama, all O would really have to say is "I came into office with 10% unemployment and really a lot higher; and a dead private sector, and reality is these people wont be finding a job any time soon, so the options are give them food stamps to allow them to put food on the table, or leave them to starve while they search for jobs that don't exist".

If Newt tries to say obama is wrong, he will get booed.

Or take deregulize/no capital gains argument. Newt wants to make the US attractive to investors. Obama can say "we were attractive to investors, they came and got us into a enormous mess, and now rules exist to make sure it doesnt happen again. We argue about promoting economic growth, but abolishing the rules instilled to prevent more scoundrels from playing the majority of the system to benefit themselves won't help anything".

Basically, Obama's argument will be class warfare, and Newt doesn't seem to realize that he is feeding it with his "food stamps" and "make America attractive to invest in" comments.

[8wid]

Ron Paul Highlights in 1/16/2012 Debate

[Marx]

UPDATE: HUCKABEE SAYS ROMNEY WAS NOT AUTHORIZED TO USE HIS VOICE IN RECENT AD
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...new-romney-ad/

[Marx]

UPDATE: TURKEY RESPONDS TO PERRY'S "ISLAMIC TERROR" CLAIMS
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...perry-remarks/

[Excel]

Could today have been a better poll day for Romney?

SC: +14, +11
Florida: +15, +26
Republican Nomination: +20, +19
Romney v. Obama: Romney +2
Gringrich v. Obama: Obama +12, +9
Santorum v. Obama: Obama +11
Texas Primary: Romney +1

[enterthemadness]

Romney is gonna get us into a needless war with Iran...although I guess Obama could as well.

[Marx]

I still have very strong doubts that Romney will win the general election.

[enterthemadness]

Originally Posted by Marx

I still have very strong doubts that Obama will win the general election.

You never know, he did have a funny bit on Betty White's 90th b-day bash. Called her out on not be 90 and wanted to see her birth certificate. In a b-day card. Lulz.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by enterthemadness

You never know, he did have a funny bit on Betty White's 90th b-day bash. Called her out on not be 90 and wanted to see her birth certificate. In a b-day card. Lulz.

What a tremendous waste of time for our president.

[Marx]

Originally Posted by enterthemadness

You never know, he did have a funny bit on Betty White's 90th b-day bash. Called her out on not be 90 and wanted to see her birth certificate. In a b-day card. Lulz.

I meant Romney...

Why in the world was Obama at Betty White's birthday?

[Marx]

UPDATE: WISCONSIN DEMOCRATS GET 1 MILLION SIGNATURES FOR REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR'S RECALL
http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/17/politi...html?hpt=hp_t3

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[hippie_hunter]

Originally Posted by Venom'sDad

It's funny how you narrow it to just three positions, when Newt's has huge number of conservative positions, ideas, and policies passed, than Romney could only dream of...compare the record and not media influenced sound bites. Besides, Newt is not to the left of Romney on any of those "3" positions you named.

Oh you mean how Romney advocated the individual mandate but at a state level if the state chooses to while Gingrich advocated it at a national level? Or how Romney is full on conservative with immigration while Newt advocates a certain level of amnesty? Or how Gingrich was with Gore and Pelosi to confront global warming while Romney has never done such a thing? Sure Newt is conservative on social issues, but so is Romney, he just doesn't put them at the forefront.

[enterthemadness]

Originally Posted by Marx

I meant Romney... :O

Why in the world was Obama at Betty White's birthday?

It was taped. It was on the video screen.

[wiegeabo]

And it was probably a quick way to get his approval a one or two point bump. Even if temporarily.

Because more people like Betty White

[Schlosser85]

Originally Posted by Matt

What a tremendous waste of time for our president.

Yea, I'm sure he spent countless months working on a 30 second joke for Betty White's birthday.

[Matt]

It probably took about an hour to film. That is an hour too long, for the president, IMO. Especially on something so entirely irrelevant as Betty White's birthday.

[hippie_hunter]

Originally Posted by Venom'sDad

I have to say...imho, Gingrich would destroy Obama in a debate.

He has the potential to. If he laid off the whole "food stamp President" line and avoided issues of race, he'd do quite well. He tends to look foolish when he goes into racial issues though.

[Schlosser85]

Every president does things like this.

Bush spent plenty more time on the WH lawn singing the praises of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.