Catwoman/Batman sex in the comics

[Nave 'Torment']

Originally Posted by Mister Meddle

I also thought of this but I didn't think there were any wrestling fans in here. They received pretty harsh reviews for that. The only good thing about it was Lita's nipple slip (if you caught it) and Ric Flair walking in on them having sex, doing his crazy promo.

Haha, so true! I thought my comment would be lost here. But nice to see it wasn't (though to be honest, my response was that there wasn't -enough- graphic in there. WWE is a paradox these days - they're trying to embrace sex, violence and gore while at the same time repressing it with children-friendly ratings).

Originally Posted by Dark Raven

But you see, that picture above looks a lot classier than the Batman/ Catwoman sex scene in their costumes. Here they just look normal and natural like two people in bed. It doesn't look like erotic fan art where they have to say "hey look, it IS actually them - you can see their costumes". I have no problem with sex scenes like the above.

Exactly! I can't believe the consensus with anyone can be truly the FACT that sex was depicted in comics, it was against HOW it was depicted.

Though at the end of the day this is the greatest challenge to comics-critiquing; the stories are almost always unfinished before we respond to them: to this point we have no clue how this thing will turn out later in the story (i.e. whether in a meaningful way or not). Take that Catwoman short from the Year One dvd for example; it had it's fair share of graphic sexuality (though not sexual intercourse), but I don't hear anyone reeling against that. It had a purpose to it. Like Catwoman licking the holy hell out of Batman (and our young imaginations) in Batman Returns. This was pornographic for the sake of being pornographic. And badly pornographic at that.

Originally Posted by Mister Meddle

Agreed. The Catwoman/Batman picture looks like something you'd find on Deviantart by a fan.

Exactly.

[Doctor Who]

Originally Posted by Dark Raven

But you see, that picture above looks a lot classier than the Batman/ Catwoman sex scene in their costumes. Here they just look normal and natural like two people in bed. It doesn't look like erotic fan art where they have to say "hey look, it IS actually them - you can see their costumes". I have no problem with sex scenes like the above.

Could be worse. Zack Snyder can write a sex script for them both.

[QueenChaos]

Yeah... it wasn't a necessary inclusion, it could have been portrayed differently to a more favourable result - following the tradition of suggestive tones between the characters seen in previous moments they've had, which has always been a very fitting approach.
However, I don't have a problem with this. I accept it as a unique look at their relationship based on the vision of the writer. Arguments can certainly be made that there are flaws in this vision, in the intent behind such a scene in the comics - but it still is what it is. That goes for a few of the changes made through this reboot.. I want to see how things develop.
For example, I wasn't thrilled about Harley Quinn's new look (it received a pretty negative reaction from many), but I understand it and didn't hate it either - am looking forward to taking in more of the action of the character to get an overall feel of how she is portrayed. Already, after seeing a little more I am intrigued. Same goes for Catwoman, and the dynamic between her and Batman.

Not necessarily for or against this, just taking it and seeing where it goes - this is what we are being given, and i'm sure certain uproars from the fans will result in a bit of a directive change with some elements along the way.

[Nave 'Torment']

It's not that surprising really, comics with female leads are rarely given decent writers. Wonder Woman, for one, has been given great writers but they're all tripping over one thing or another... for a long time now.

[Rhiannon]

Originally Posted by vernitagreen

this is softcore porn at best and even then it's pretty tame i doubt anyone could get off to those panels.

Challenge accepted.




Seriously, though, I'm a shameless Bruce/Selina fangirl. My husband mentioned this scene to me and I was eager to read it, but when I did... I laughed. It's almost too overt to be sensual or intriguing, and I'm not sure what it adds to the story, either. Somehow, Batman and Catwoman getting it on in costume was much hotter in my head than on the page. My reaction was amusement, and I'm assuming that wasn't the writer's intention.

The Talia/Bruce page does more for me and I don't even like Talia.

[DACrowe]

I stumbled into this section of the Bat-forums and saw this. Now granted, I haven't read the "New 52" at all, so maybe they're better than these excerpts I discover but....it's just kind of trashy 13/14-year-old boy fantasy about these female characters. That's what I got.

The panel on the first page is bad not because there is sex. I am actually surprised so many are upset or outraged that Batman and Catwoman had sex. Their characters have danced around that for decades and it's more or less implied that it happened in Hush and probably other stories I haven't read. They just faded out a la Casablanca and all Hollywood films before the 1950s.

The problem was it was badly written drivel all about getting them together. Kind of like Spidey and Black Cat post-OMD. Their costumes are on the writing is like the lowest of fan fiction and it just screams exploitative drivel.

I just felt the need to comment on how bad the panel was but how intriguingly funny the reactions were as well.

[NateHevens]

Yeah. My $0.02... I've honestly been waiting for Bruce Wayne/Batman and Selina Kyle/Catwoman to have sex for a very long time.

This is just poorly-written kid-friendly fantasy-indulgence, however.

At the very least, they could have taken off their costumes. Honestly.



I do have to add a quibble, though.

Pornographic? Really? How do y'all define "pornographic"? I'd consider this pornographic if nothing was left to the imagination (fully nude with the full bodies shown), including any possible oral, the act(s) of penetration, and the "money shot" (whatever it might have been).

That, folks, is "pornographic".

This Catwoman panel barely qualifies as PG-13 sex in the modern age. And please don't forget that this is the 21st Century. Quaint imaginings of past decades that never actually existed aside, the times have changed. Embrace it or get out of the way.

Or, at the very least, refine your definition of pornographic to fit more with the modern reality...

Please.

[Bat-fan]

I had always the impression that the modern comics are oversexualized to a certain degree considering the sexiness or rather the bustsize of most of the female super-heroes, Batman and Catwoman ending up having sex didn't surprise me at all therefore and the way it was depicted may be disputable, however, leaving their costumes on while "doing" it, is not a question of appropriateness but rather of the inner preferences and opportunities, at least in my eyes.

[Thundercrack85]

I see it more as a sort of "every day life stuff we don't have to see". For example, most characters presumably pay their taxes, and brush their teeth. We just don't see it. I don't think anyone doubted that Batman and Catwoman had "relations" from time to time.

Showing sex this way actually seems rather lazy.

[Godzilla2014]

Originally Posted by Thundercrack85

I see it more as a sort of "every day life stuff we don't have to see". For example, most characters presumably pay their taxes, and brush their teeth. We just don't see it. I don't think anyone doubted that Batman and Catwoman had "relations" from time to time.

Showing sex this way actually seems rather lazy.

Now I kind of want to see a a scene of Batman paying his taxes. "Alfred, can you get me the 1099?"

[Dark Raven]

I wonder why we never see comic characters doing these little things like paying taxes? Do they even pay them? I bet supervillains are guilty of tax evasion.

We have seen comic characters in the bath before though. I remember seeing Mary Jane in a bubble bath, and She-Hulk was trying to shave her legs but kept breaking the razors (that's two separate incidents, not She-Hulk trying to shave MJ's legs!).

We haven't seen anyone sitting on the toilet though, especially not if they're constipated and finding it a real effort to get it out. I bet that would be a real delaying problem if say Catwoman needs to rush into action but she's sitting on his toilet bowl and it's just halfway there but not fully expunged. Does she wait to finish or just leap into the fray? She would have difficulty moving about properly though if she's having these stomach cramps and something is stuck halfway up her ass on the verge of being excreted. I suppose Catwoman would give the action a miss, given her morally ambiguous nature, but not someone like Batman who would feel he has a responsibility.

[Thundercrack85]

Presumably Bruce does leave a few things out on his form. If they were ever to audit Wayne Enterprises there would be some curious items on the financial statement.

The bath thing just sounds like blatant fan service. But whatever sells.

[QueenChaos]

Originally Posted by Dark Raven

I wonder why we never see comic characters doing these little things like paying taxes? Do they even pay them? I bet supervillains are guilty of tax evasion.

[-Catwoman-]

I've had a lot of bad things to discuss about Catwoman's past. But the "NEW 52" really surprised me so far. I wasn't expecting Catwoman and Batman to show their relationship so explicitly. But I am satisfied. I've read too many coming of age novels, GREAT novels, about sexual liberation, whether that be concerning lesbianism, exhibitionism, transgendered, race relations in civil war eras, etc, but they never clearly go into the nitty gritty detail about sex. Even though comics are not considered part of the same class of hierarchy as traditional novels, I have always enjoyed them. And I have entirely enjoyed the Catwoman series thus far. I don't see what is wrong with clothed sex. It remained true to each characters' values and codes of conduct. Batman must not show his identity: unless this scene was in Hush. Sexual liberation doesn't necessarily mean going totally nude for the camera either, so Catwoman being clothed was just fine with me. It was tastefully done considering it is through the point of view of Catwoman, who possesses an interesting and quite vulgar tongue. This isn't pornographic. This is art. It is hard to draw a sex scene without showing body parts. The sex scene: I have been waiting for it for quite some time. But it wasn't a very powerful scene, instead, I felt like Batman and Catwoman were both pretty vulnerable to one another. Their positions are tensed and then relaxed, constraining and then restraining: which symbolizes their relationship. I liked that; their entire relationship has, and always will be on the rocks. To me, this scene felt believable if you were to look at their long history together. And i think it is important to show it in the storyline, because we finally understand how conscious Selina is about her feelings for this man who actually steals her heart. How can you tastefully say "Batman and I have knocked boots" without actually leading the conversation into it. It would have been made a mockery if Selina were to tell her fellow Sirens about that! As we have seen! There is a core you don't touch in Selina. She used to be a whore. She's seen a lot of men. But none who've mattered like the caped crusader. So when Harley tries to parallel her love for the Joker with Selina's love for Bruce, it is ludicrious. Their relationship is almost sacred. And this is just the beginning. I do think their relationship is worthy of showing, but I only wish the scene was prolonged. But if the scene had been waited on til a later time, the audience may not realize or see how much Batman does love Selina. After all, the main reason he came to the penthouse was to check up on her. A lone man and a lone woman in a scene leading to sex is natural, especially when they care for one another and have seen the things they've seen. People are not irreplaceable for Bruce.

[Papa G]

Ugh...that was distastefully portrayed crap! I hate to say it but I'm not impressed thus far with the new 52, although I've heard Justice League is decent. I think that maybe it could be suggested that they had sex, but that scene was ridiculous. I mean I've always thought that it sucked for Batman that he wasn't noticeably getting laid, but honestly it's kind of left to the reader's imagination.

[Mr.?]

if they took this pic out

It would be portrayed alot better. Doesn't make sense for Batman to sit there and cuddle with her. It seems like sex between them would be animalistic then Batman would just leave right afterwards.

[AnneFan]

Straight after, if they did the deed (I'd much rather they didn't, keeping the tension), Catwoman would probably zip up, walk away and say "if you play your cards right, there's more where that come from" or something. Still playing hard to get.

[SimbaRises]

Originally Posted by Mr.?

Doesn't make sense for Batman to sit there and cuddle with her. It seems like sex between them would be animalistic then Batman would just leave right afterwards.

Agreed. Doesn't make sense to me either, Batman sticking around cuddling asking her if she's okay after he has pounded it out in the smush room is not in his dominating, bad boy persona at all. It's actually kind of sissy. And to be shirtless with the cowl, cape and rest of the costume on is beyond absurd. I've never been of the belief Batman should be in love with Catwoman. She just represents the dark side of himself and his kinky sexual desires. He shouldn't find his soul's counter point in her, IMO

[Mr.?]

Originally Posted by SimbaRises

Agreed. Doesn't make sense to me either, Batman sticking around cuddling asking her if she's okay after he has pounded it out in the smush room is not in his dominating, bad boy persona at all. It's actually kind of sissy. And to be shirtless with the cowl, cape and rest of the costume on is beyond absurd. I've never been of the belief Batman should be in love with Catwoman. She just represents the dark side of himself and his kinky sexual desires. He shouldn't find his soul's counter point in her, IMO

I think if they had Batman after the deed turn to her and give her a smirk then leave, that would be in character for him to do. Makes more sense for Batman to leave her then the other way around imo.

[SimbaRises]

Originally Posted by Mr.?

I think if they had Batman after the deed turn to her and give her a smirk then leave, that would be in character for him to do. Makes more sense for Batman to leave her then the other way around imo.

Yea, I just don't picture a dark, obsessively driven, tortured guy who runs around scaring people dressed like a demonic bat and beating criminals to a bloody pulp would EVER be the type to cuddle. Not as Bruce Wayne, and certainly not IN COSTUME as his Batman persona. Catwoman herself is an empowered woman, who is the new age woman who is proud of her sexuality and doesn't have emotions attached to animalistic urges, so why would she need to be cuddled up with either? Makes nadda sense.

[TheVileOne]

I'm confused. Is there some sort of rule that empowered women don't want to spoon or cuddle? I'm confused.

[SimbaRises]

Originally Posted by TheVileOne

I'm confused. Is there some sort of rule that empowered women don't want to spoon or cuddle? I'm confused.

No, I just don't see Bruce Wayne or Selina Kyle as the spooning, lovey dove types.

[-Catwoman-]

Originally Posted by SimbaRises

No, I just don't see Bruce Wayne or Selina Kyle as the spooning, lovey dove types.

You know Bruce has still slept with a lot of women. But there was always something different about Catwoman. But I dont like the cuddling either. Both are real egotistical. They wouldn't give in to the other like a lovey covey couple. But in other batman sex scenes where it's implied, it does look like he is gentle. So maybe it can be possible?

[TheVileOne]

Why not? They're still human beings with human emotions.

[Mace Dolex]

Originally Posted by R3M3D1

We don't want this in TDKR do we...

I don't mind sex scenes in movies if they serve a purpose but that one with Neo and Trinity just feels out of place what with the thrusting and sweat going on there.