Batman vs Spider-Man vs The Avengers

[The Morningstar]

Up until I saw the Avengers superbowl spot i would have said TDKR would be tops, box office wise.

But now? That Avengers trailer just had that level of spectacle and awe, visually, I mean Transformers Dark of the Moon level.

I think TDKR and Avengers will get close to the billion mark. ASM will get close to 800 million.

[Call Me Darkman]

TDKR still has the edge since it's the follow-up to a billion dollar hit.

[EML420]

Spider-Man doenst have to make a billion dollars I think its going to make at least 600 million.

[Call Me Darkman]

But will it beat Batman and Avengers is the question.

[jmc]

If you asked me a week ago TDKR hands down wins this year, that ASM trailer though looks to freakin awesome to ignore. Objectively though, the Nolan factor comes into play here and that's where I still think the difference will be, plus Batman is coming off the most successful superhero movie of all time whilst Spider-man is being rebooted after a less than impressive previous outing. Avengers I think will have to make do with the bronze medal. Two biggest cinematic superheroes within a two weeks span. Good times ahead.

[Call Me Darkman]

The only advantage The Avengers have is space. Batman and Spider-Man are so close to each other that it'll most likely do some MINOR damage.

[uniqueweasel]

I think Batman, because I think the reaches of the Nolan movies outstretches just comic book fans, to a much wider audience of cinema goers.

[Call Me Darkman]

Spider-Man has reached a wide audience too, but we'll have to wait and see if people accept a reboot of the series.

[Optimus_Prime_]

Originally Posted by uniqueweasel

I think Batman, because I think the reaches of the Nolan movies outstretches just comic book fans, to a much wider audience of cinema goers.

This is blatantly untrue. We no longer live in a world where the general audience is only familiar with Batman, Superman and Spider-Man. It's not as though Marvel made it's money on 'just comic book fans'.

[Optimus_Prime_]

Originally Posted by uniqueweasel

I think Batman, because I think the reaches of the Nolan movies outstretches just comic book fans, to a much wider audience of cinema goers.

This is blatantly untrue. We no longer live in a world where the general audience is only familiar with Batman, Superman and Spider-Man. It's not as though Marvel made it's money on 'just comic book fans'.

[Optimus_Prime_]

Originally Posted by uniqueweasel

I think Batman, because I think the reaches of the Nolan movies outstretches just comic book fans, to a much wider audience of cinema goers.

Blatantly untrue. Marvel Studios doesn't make their money off of 'just comic fans'. Also just because an audience may be more familiar with a character doesn't mean it's more profitable. The Avengers spot generated a ton of buzz. If the reviews are good that thing could make a killing. It looks ideally suited for this new craze of 3D IMAX.

[Optimus_Prime_]

Originally Posted by uniqueweasel

I think Batman, because I think the reaches of the Nolan movies outstretches just comic book fans, to a much wider audience of cinema goers.

Blatantly untrue. Marvel Studios doesn't make their money off of 'just comic fans'. Also just because an audience may be more familiar with a character doesn't mean it's more profitable. The Avengers spot generated a ton of buzz. If the reviews are good that thing could make a killing. It looks ideally suited for this new craze of 3D IMAX.

[Optimus_Prime_]

Originally Posted by uniqueweasel

I think Batman, because I think the reaches of the Nolan movies outstretches just comic book fans, to a much wider audience of cinema goers.

Blatantly untrue. Marvel Studios doesn't make their money off of 'just comic fans'. Also just because an audience may be more familiar with a character doesn't mean it's more profitable. The Avengers spot generated a ton of buzz. If the reviews are good that thing could make a killing. It looks ideally suited for this new craze of 3D IMAX.

[jmc]

What uniqueweasel means is that Nolan has a far broader audience range who admire his work. Inception doesn't make over $800 million alone on rabid fanboys, Nolan knows how to cater for not just the 18-30 crowd, but for lovers of cinema as well. So it's not blatantly untrue, the name Chris Nolan is big in Hollywood today, whether you want to believe it or not.

[uniqueweasel]

Exactly what jmc above me said, i'm not saying that Spider-Man and The Avengers only have a comic book based following, but outside of that I think Nolans following is much larger. Personally im just excited for The Avengers as TDKR but I really believe that people who would normally not go to watch a film in these genres will be turning up to see TDKR. And just to add I didn't mention familiarity at all. I just can't wait to see all these movies, exciting times ahead!

[Call Me Darkman]

Batman has the edge, that's for sure.

[Optimus_Prime_]

Wow, love the glitch.

[munchie64]

Well box-office wise, I doubt Spider-Man will win, unless 3D pushes it REALLY far ahead.

[cherokeesam]

Originally Posted by uniqueweasel

Exactly what jmc above me said, i'm not saying that Spider-Man and The Avengers only have a comic book based following, but outside of that I think Nolans following is much larger. Personally im just excited for The Avengers as TDKR but I really believe that people who would normally not go to watch a film in these genres will be turning up to see TDKR. And just to add I didn't mention familiarity at all. I just can't wait to see all these movies, exciting times ahead!

I doubt the non-fanboy general audiences who showed up for TDK will be nearly as interested in TDKR. TDK reached broader audiences on the strength of The Joker and Heath's portrayal of him, and the fact that TDK steps outside the bounds of its genre. TDK plays more like an epic crime drama than an actual superhero movie, and that played a large part in its appeal. TDKR, otoh, trends more towards the confines of the genre, and looks more like a comic-book movie than TDK did. Bane and Catwoman aren't nearly as appealing as Joker --- not even close. Plus, TDKR is clearly a more politicized movie: whatever commentary, pro or con, Nolan chooses to make about the OWS-based 1% vs. 99% class warfare schtick, it's guaranteed to alienate pretty much exactly half of its intended audience.

[Optimus_Prime_]

The "general audience" of "non superhero fans" are going to favor spectacle over anything else. By that margin Avengers definitely will hook a lot of viewers if their next trailers are anything like the last one.

[uniqueweasel]

Originally Posted by cherokeesam

I doubt the non-fanboy general audiences who showed up for TDK will be nearly as interested in TDKR. TDK reached broader audiences on the strength of The Joker and Heath's portrayal of him, and the fact that TDK steps outside the bounds of its genre. TDK plays more like an epic crime drama than an actual superhero movie, and that played a large part in its appeal. TDKR, otoh, trends more towards the confines of the genre, and looks more like a comic-book movie than TDK did. Bane and Catwoman aren't nearly as appealing as Joker --- not even close. Plus, TDKR is clearly a more politicized movie: whatever commentary, pro or con, Nolan chooses to make about the OWS-based 1% vs. 99% class warfare schtick, it's guaranteed to alienate pretty much exactly half of its intended audience.

But on the same note, I suppose one could argue that the general audiences that turned up for TDK and were blown away by Heath, etc will be intrigued to see what Nolan, Hardy, etc are doing to continue/finish the saga. I don't think the appeal of any character will have any bearing on the cinema goers, I think it will be based a lot in part on curiosity. Whether people like it or not Nolan brings a lot of audience not just with his Batmans, but Inception aswell has raised his profile further and in turn his films, which again out stretch the usual comic book/action genre. Also I can't see how the class warfare would (if it is indeed a big part of the story) alienate people, because it could just be a simple plot to aid the characters a basis to build a bigger picture in the real world aspect that Nolan tries to bring with these films.

The whole Batman vs Spider-Man vs The Avengers will not be won by a huge margin on any part I don't imagine, but I am still of the opinion that TDKR for whatever reason will attract more people.

[uniqueweasel]

Originally Posted by Optimus_Prime_

The "general audience" of "non superhero fans" are going to favor spectacle over anything else. By that margin Avengers definitely will hook a lot of viewers if their next trailers are anything like the last one.

How can you be fully sure that they will all want "spectacle over anything else"? I'm pretty sure a good portion of the audiences want to have a good entertaining story aswell

[Optimus_Prime_]

Originally Posted by uniqueweasel

How can you be fully sure that they will all want "spectacle over anything else"? I'm pretty sure a good portion of the audiences want to have a good entertaining story aswell

What do you mean "good" story? It doesn't seem to me, quite honestly, that audiences favor quality of story. Blockbusters make their bank by offering spectacle over story. Rarely do those movies have anything but plots that service the action primarily. This doesn't seem to effect their ability to make money. Look at Michael Bay.

By the by, MARVEL movies, if nothing else, are excellent stories.

[cherokeesam]

Originally Posted by Optimus_Prime_

What do you mean "good" story? It doesn't seem to me, quite honestly, that audiences favor quality of story. Blockbusters make their bank by offering spectacle over story. Rarely do those movies have anything but plots that service the action primarily. This doesn't seem to effect their ability to make money. Look at Michael Bay.

By the by, MARVEL movies, if nothing else, are excellent stories.

But "spectacle" movies don't sell on the basis of spectacle alone. Just look at how many "spectacle" movies in 2011 failed to connect with audiences and wound up tanking at the box office: Green Lantern, Cowboys and Aliens, Super 8, Green Hornet, Battle: Los Angeles, Immortals, Warhorse, Tintin, Sucker Punch, Conan the Barbarian...

Just having a mega budget and lots of whiz-bang VFX doesn't count for squat when there's no story or interesting characters. Those movies above prove that.

[uniqueweasel]

Originally Posted by Optimus_Prime_

What do you mean "good" story? It doesn't seem to me, quite honestly, that audiences favor quality of story. Blockbusters make their bank by offering spectacle over story. Rarely do those movies have anything but plots that service the action primarily. This doesn't seem to effect their ability to make money. Look at Michael Bay.

By the by, MARVEL movies, if nothing else, are excellent stories.

I mean exactly what you just said there, I think there are a lot more people than you think who want to have a good story, like what cherokeesam above me said, that having a big spectacle is sometimes just not enough.

And I agree most the Marvel movies are good stories but some of them aren't very good, as is the same with some of the DC movies, some are great, and others not.