Who should be the villain in an Avengers sequel? (Poll)

[Dark Raven]

Originally Posted by Captain Marvel

Agreed. Ultron should definitely be the villain in Avengers 2 (and hopefully he'll be set up in an Ant-Man movie beforehand). It'd be great if Ultron were to try to pull a Skynet and try to create an army of AI's (which'll include The Vision) to take over the world. Kang would also be a great villain to use for Avengers 3 if Thanos is out of the question for whatever reason. He makes for a nice escalation from the threat which Ultron represents.



Well, if we're measuring the size of Thanos's penis versus that of Korvac's penis, then I accept the challenge, because Thanos has a MUCH bigger penis! In The Infinity Gauntlet Thanos had already killed the majority of the Avengers, the Fantastic Four, the X-Men, and numerous other heroes before they even knew what was going on, along with half the universe. When they turned up to attack him, he froze them all and was about to instantly kill them when Mephisto talked him out of it and convinced him that watching him fight them would be a turn on for Death, so Thanos purposefully reduced his power to 1/6th its level to fight them, and he not only beat them, he killed pretty much all of them. With the Infinity Gauntlet, Thanos's power wasn't almost on par with the Beyonder... he surpassed the Beyonder. He trounced Galactus, the Celestials, the Stranger, the Inbetweener, Lord Order and Master Chaos, Eon, Death, Mephisto, Mistress Love and Sire Hate, and whoever else I'm forgetting about simultaneously, and then he took on Eternity, the personification of the universe, and won, becoming the personification of the universe himself.

In comparison to Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet, Korvac's a piker.

I was never comparing any body parts. And if you're going to talk about Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet, that's like comparing one man's prowess on Viagra to one who's not. The Infinity Gauntlet will pretty much make anyone much more powerful.

[Captain Marvel]

Given that we've seen an Infinity Gauntlet prop, and that's the storyline which Thanos is compared to the most, it's not unreasonable to talk about Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet. The guys MO is that he goes after infinite power, and he's succeeded at that quest more than once. But even when he wasn't omnipotent, though, he was still a universal threat. After all, Death gave him the job of killing half the universe's population BEFORE he decided to go after the Infinity Gems, and had no clue that he would've ever gained that much power, so clearly she thought he could do the job. And recently he did kill off all life in the Cancerverse (A universe where Captain Marvel survived his cancer by making a deal with Lovecraftian horrors).

But even without omnipotent power, on his own Thanos or horrendously power. This is a guy who took on a weakened Galactus alone. The combined might of Earth's heroes in the Secret Wars weren't able to do that. There's a great scene in The Infinity War where he's teamed up with the Infinity Watch and they get ambushed by a veritable army of Earth's superheroes. I think about 1/3rd of all Earth's heroes were present. So it was Thanos, Adam Warlock, Gamora, Pip the Troll, Drax the Destroyer, Moondragon, and Thanos's chair (Yeah, his chair alone is a major threat) versus a large chunk of Earth's heroes. The fight ended with about nine heroes still left standing versus Thanos, Adam Warlock, and Drax the Destroyer.

Then there was the story when he pursued the Infinity Gems. He went after the Elder called Champion. This is a guy who's stronger and tougher than the Hulk, and he was made moreso powerful by the Power Gem. Thanos took this guy on with no gems and beat him. Not in a straight fist fight, of course, but he beat him just the same through the use of his own natural powers, his technology, and his intelligence, and got his hands on the Power Gem in the process.

So yeah, I don't feel like I'm exaggerating when I say that Thanos is probably the best villain that Marvel has available to them, and if he's handled right, then he'd make for the perfect capstone to any film trilogy.

[BigThor]

So which would you guys rather see as the villain in Avengers 3, Kang or Thanos?

[MarvelKnight]

Originally Posted by BigThor

So which would you guys rather see as the villain in Avengers 3, Kang or Thanos?

Thanos.

[Franklin Richards]

Ultron

[roach]

Thanos

[Franklin Richards]

I liked Thanos when he was called Darkseid.


Save him for a Justice League movie.

[BigThor]

Originally Posted by Franklin Richards

Ultron

It would make more sense for Ultron to be the villain in Avengers 2 not 3.

[cherokeesam]

Originally Posted by BigThor

It would make more sense for Ultron to be the villain in Avengers 2 not 3.

Depends on how soon Hank Pym gets introduced.
I do *not* want to see them turn Ultron or Vision over to anybody else but Hank Pym, so I don't want to see Ultron show up until after Pym joins the team.

[Captain Marvel]

Originally Posted by Franklin Richards

I liked Thanos when he was called Darkseid.


Save him for a Justice League movie.

I guess you're going to be disappointed.







And my guess is that when Thanos does make his inevitable appearance in an Avengers movie, he won't be played by Julian McMahon, either.

[BigThor]

Originally Posted by cherokeesam

Depends on how soon Hank Pym gets introduced.
I do *not* want to see them turn Ultron or Vision over to anybody else but Hank Pym, so I don't want to see Ultron show up until after Pym joins the team.

Or Ultron could be Hank Pym's motivation for joining The Avengers because he feels responsible for Ultron's actions.

[cherokeesam]

Originally Posted by BigThor

Or Ultron could be Hank Pym's motivation for joining The Avengers because he feels responsible for Ultron's actions.

Very good point.

Although you could also say that SHIELD actively recruits him, even if he's not officially become (Gi)Ant-Man yet. We know that Pym was originally referenced in Thor as an important colleague of Selvig, so he's probably already well-known as a genius scientist who could add significantly to the Avengers' "brain trust" of Tony Stark, Bruce Banner, and Erik Selvig.

[Chris B]

I think it would have to be either Kang or Ultron, personally. I'd lean towards using Kang since I'm not sure it work to use Ultron while introducing Hank Pym in the same movie.

[BigThor]

Originally Posted by cherokeesam

Very good point.

Although you could also say that SHIELD actively recruits him, even if he's not officially become (Gi)Ant-Man yet. We know that Pym was originally referenced in Thor as an important colleague of Selvig, so he's probably already well-known as a genius scientist who could add significantly to the Avengers' "brain trust" of Tony Stark, Bruce Banner, and Erik Selvig.

Yeah I could see that working as well, there's a multitude of ways to have Hank Pym and Ultron included in Avengers 2 if Marve Studios really wanted to.

[Captain Marvel]

Yeah, maybe he builds Ultron first for the Avengers, Ultron goes nuts, and Pym feels personally responsible and makes himself a suit so that he can stop Ultron. Is there any reason Hank has to be Ant-Man before he builds Ultron? He could always become Ant-Man afterwards.

[MarvelKnight]

I agree Captain Marvel. Ultron can be Pym's reason for becoming Ant-Man. Don't see why it could not be a viable option. At the very least, he can be seen in Avengers, even if it is a bit part. Some Pym is better than no Pym, imo.

[BigThor]

Originally Posted by Captain Marvel

Yeah, maybe he builds Ultron first for the Avengers, Ultron goes nuts, and Pym feels personally responsible and makes himself a suit so that he can stop Ultron. Is there any reason Hank has to be Ant-Man before he builds Ultron? He could always become Ant-Man afterwards.

Originally Posted by MarvelKnight

I agree Captain Marvel. Ultron can be Pym's reason for becoming Ant-Man. Don't see why it could not be a viable option. At the very least, he can be seen in Avengers, even if it is a bit part. Some Pym is better than no Pym, imo.

Yep exactly, so come on Marvel Studios give us some awesome Ultron action in Avengers 2.

[DrCosmic]

I'm not sure that comic book power levels are all that relevant. There is no Galactus in the MCU, and you can see on the gauntlet, all the gems are in one place, so it's not like there's some separate storyline for the time gem or the power gem or whatever. Also, omnipotent villains in movies are cheesy because they have to do ridiculously stupid things to lose. Expect to see Thanos toned down so that a plausible (in terms of an intergalactic conqueror being smarter than an average child) story can be told.

I still don't quite see Ultron. Especially since Edgar Wright's Ant Man is going to be set in the 60s, if it even comes out before Avengers 2. Maybe Pym can have invented Ultron, but he won't be on the team. Would people still want Ultron if the Pyms aren't in the movie?

Kang doesn't have any such impediments. If anything, he can actually bring 60s Pym into the present day on a temporary or permanent basis. Ultron can't transport the Pyms through time to be in the Avengers movie.

[The Morningstar]

Originally Posted by Franklin Richards

I liked Thanos when he was called Darkseid.


Save him for a Justice League movie.

Darkseid, outside of the toons, was a joke since the Crisis up until only the last couple of years. He got defeated by a some steps for ****s sake!

Thanos was originally a rip but he's been busier and better in the last couple of decades.

Anyway... I think Kang could be a cool villain, if they don't get Pym involved and therefore, Ultron.

[marcvader]

I would prefer a well developed Hank Pym before Ultron so it would make the his creation that more meaningful and impactful. How does this happen if Wright makes his movie in the 60's? Don't know, but the Kang idea is kind of cool but would seem kind of contrived as well.

[The Morningstar]

Well, Kang is a time traveller, is that what you'd find contrived? I think it could be cool if done well. He comes back because of a disturbance in the time line originating from the Avengers one.

[BigThor]

Edgar Wright's supposedly setting Ant Man in the 60s has been pissing me off to no end, doesn't he understand that just about every Avengers fan wants to see Hank & Jan as members at some point in this franchise?

Not only that, but Ultron is one of the best Avengers villains ever and his twisted father-son relationship with Hank is an important arch for Pyms as well. The Pyms would be far more useful in modern times where they can actually take part in the current events of the MCU than be isolated in the 60s.

[marcvader]

Originally Posted by The Morningstar

Well, Kang is a time traveller, is that what you'd find contrived? I think it could be cool if done well. He comes back because of a disturbance in the time line originating from the Avengers one.

No, tying Pym to Kang to get him into the present day and Avengers.

[BigThor]

Originally Posted by marcvader

No, tying Pym to Kang to get him into the present day and Avengers.

I agree, that would definately seem a bit contrived.

[cherokeesam]

Originally Posted by BigThor

Edgar Wright's supposedly setting Ant Man in the 60s has been pissing me off to no end, doesn't he understand that just about every Avengers fan wants to see Hank & Jan as members at some point in this franchise?

Not only that, but Ultron is one of the best Avengers villains ever and his twisted father-son relationship with Hank is an important arch for Pyms as well. The Pyms would be far more useful in modern times where they can actually take part in the current events of the MCU than be isolated in the 60s.

The original Joe Cornish script was set in the 60s *and* the modern world, though --- with Pym being the "original" Ant-Man of the 60s, but the bulk of the movie was to focus on him mentoring Scott Lang as his successor in modern times.

But all of that was with the first draft, years ago, and there's been tons of re-writes since then; the current version was just turned in to Marvel last fall, and nobody knows what (or who) it's going to be about. I'd be willing to bet that Marvel has convinced Wright/Cornish to focus on Pym, though, and drop the whole 1960s backstory angle.