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Old 03-24-2012, 05:03 PM   #76
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Yep. For it to work though,they would have to make the film more about Eddie than Venom. You need to develop the person behind the "mask" as it were,first. I want action,yes,but the last thing I want is some Michael Bay mindless action film.
Ditto that. I like the "battling for Brock's soul" idea.

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I can get behind that. I have to admit I see Venom as more Eddie than the symbiote anyway. And knowing my luck, they'd just make the symbiote an uninteresting evil parasite like it currently is in the comics anyway, so the human-half will have to pick up a lot of slack.

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Exactly. If this film is going to be made (and I'm still not convinced) I want it to have some degree of intelligence and humanity. The last thing I want is an empty headed special effects flick like Transformers or Ghost Rider.

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I just hope they redo the way Venom looks in film into the art below.


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Venom should be a Jekyll/Hyde thing, if only Jekyll was a total a**hole.

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Old 03-25-2012, 02:09 PM   #81
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Just as long as they stay FAR away from the goofy 10 ft. tongue then I'd be fine with it.

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You have my vote on that note.

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To say that one of the most popular Marvel characters of all time is uninteresting is stupid. I love seeing this amount of complaints when the movie was just announced and has no plot or cast yet. Its ridiculous, and I see half the people claiming to be great Venom fans, dont even understand the character. The anti-hero/ villain argument is just dumb. He's both. Brock isnt evil, the symbiote is. He's constantly in conflict between what he knows is right and what the symbiote is driving him to do, and thats what makes him an interesting character. Its a like a drug addiction. The addicted person knows that they shouldn't give in but they cant withstand the hold it has on them. To follow the villain route,they need Spider-Man or another hero in which case the movie is no longer about Venom. Like it or not the anti hero route would make much more sense, even if they go with someone like Flash Thompson working as a military operative. But I can see them doing Eddie Brock, just changing it slightly. Remove Spider-Man and give Brock some other object of hatred, and the symbiote gives him the power to take his revenge, doing what he thinks is right, all the while battling the pull towards violence and evil that the symbiote craves......

Now, if that isnt an interesting character worthy of a solo movie, then I dont know what is. The inner conflict between man and monster is what makes characters like Venom, the Hulk, Doctor Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, etc. so interesting. You need to really know what you're talking about before you start complaining.

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He's like a vigilante. After making peace with Spider-Man, Venom acted like a hero in saving people and villain in using force against police coming after him. Brock has got the symbiote to deal with, and sometimes it has its own agenda. It's the internal conflict that makes him so interesting.

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To say that one of the most popular Marvel characters of all time is uninteresting is stupid. I love seeing this amount of complaints when the movie was just announced and has no plot or cast yet. Its ridiculous, and I see half the people claiming to be great Venom fans, dont even understand the character. The anti-hero/ villain argument is just dumb. He's both. Brock isnt evil, the symbiote is. He's constantly in conflict between what he knows is right and what the symbiote is driving him to do, and thats what makes him an interesting character. Its a like a drug addiction. The addicted person knows that they shouldn't give in but they cant withstand the hold it has on them. To follow the villain route,they need Spider-Man or another hero in which case the movie is no longer about Venom. Like it or not the anti hero route would make much more sense, even if they go with someone like Flash Thompson working as a military operative. But I can see them doing Eddie Brock, just changing it slightly. Remove Spider-Man and give Brock some other object of hatred, and the symbiote gives him the power to take his revenge, doing what he thinks is right, all the while battling the pull towards violence and evil that the symbiote craves......

Now, if that isnt an interesting character worthy of a solo movie, then I dont know what is. The inner conflict between man and monster is what makes characters like Venom, the Hulk, Doctor Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, etc. so interesting. You need to really know what you're talking about before you start complaining.

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Although I think he was very evil early on. Brock was an angry,depressed and somewhat twisted man who bonded with an equally twisted symbiotic life form,making him twice as nasty and unpredictable. But I feel that after a while Brock's hatred started to fade. You can only hang on to hate for so long,but the symbiote refused to let go of Eddie and his anger,so it kept on trying to feed his mind with poison. Now it's got to the point where Eddie is fighting the symbiote for control of his mind.

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Old 03-25-2012, 10:06 PM   #86
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LOL....you all are making my case. If there ever a character that needs to be changed(re-invented), it's Venom. All of that comic books persona you all are talking about...is the very reason why so many do not like the character, other than the look and potential. Many comments about Venom is that he hollow, shallow, boring, stale, un-interesting, etc. The very point, like many others, have been making. A Venom film, based on the qualities you all have mention, will fail. No one is interested in seeing that character. SM3 did do justice to the character...justice to the comics/90's animation.

Again, if the producers of this film, should they decide to go forward with it, do not stay away from all previous incarnation of the character, and re-invent all aspects of the character, this film is hopelessly doomed. Put whatever spin you want, to convince yourself, this anti-hero, internal conflict, Punisher type justice, concept is great all you want; but, very few film of that model have succeeded. Blade 1&2 is the only ones that come to mind. You want garbage....you get what you ask for. Just look at Avi and SM3.

I hope they kill this film, if that's the model they're going to follow.

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Venom was a hybrid of the symbiote and the imprint that Parker left on the symbiote, creating a character with a penchant for protecting the innocent, but I don't want Venom to be this superhero.

Venom is capable of having a movie. It all depends on the writers, but they need to get someone good to play the role, and the person has to have a muscular physique.

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I've said this before,but I've always wanted(and loved)Venom evil. If a Venom movie goes ahead,I want to see a Freddy vs. Jason type film where both main characters are villains(Venom vs. Carnage),but maybe one carries a bit more humanity than the other,or a human character is injected in there to fight both monsters.
I hate the whole anti-hero stuff for Venom. But that's what being discussed and what the studio seems to want. I was just trying to find a way to make that angle work. But,I would rather see Venom as the inhuman monster he was meant as. I think that's what worked best in the comics,mainly in McFarlene's era.

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The direction for a villain spin-off is to follow the character into his own storyline and fighting villains of his own, as in the case of the comic series starring Venom. Movies in this category include Alien vs. Predator, Freddy vs. Jason, and Terminator 2: Judgement Day (Schwarzenegger plays a different terminator, but the concept is the same as having a villain gone good). Since the Venom movie will have to be of this type, let me suggest that it be both an adaptation and joint-spin-off by having Jensen Ackles (Venom) and Nathan Jones (Juggernaut) go head to head in Venom.

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OK, I'll bite. What role is Nathan Jones playing in your hypothetical example of the movie?

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I see it differently, the reason for doing a solo villain film is to devote more time to establish his background and more detail origin, give circumstances to the path taken, and why this villain is a major threat to the hero and/or society. If he become an anti-hero...really what threat is he to the hero(Spider-Man) or humanity. That's why I feel it absurd to follow that format. He has to be purely a villain, reason why I suggest re-invent all aspect of the character. From Brock the human, the Symbiote the parasitic alien, and Venom the resulting entity. Give this character meaning for existing, and not just flesh him on the screen to battle other villains...that's essentially water down his character. Meaning, he still just as hollow, foundationless, and un-interesting...moving forward.

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I'm still pissed off(assuming they go this route)that we won't get to see Venom/the symbiote in the new Spidey series. I'd love to see what these "darker" or grittier films would show,esp. when it comes to Spidey getting the symbiote. I'd imagine that the jokes and silliness that were used in part 3 concerning the symbiote would be replaced by real menace,and that Peter Parker/Spider-man would be a more cold and vicious person. And once it would go to Eddie,he would be even more unstable,disturbed and evil.
*sigh* If only...

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The proposed Venom film does not have to follow chronological order as far as the Spidey films release order, is concern. They can simply pick up with Eddie having the Sym in his group of films; and, later have Peter having the Sym in his series of films....by the time we get
"Spidey vs Veno", all the back story would have been done, understanding of the situation and continuity would be realized, and the Spidey film featuring Veno can proceed right into it....much how the Avengers and the solo hero films have proceeded.

Just one way of doing it....

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Many assumed that Josh Trank would follow up his film Chronicle with a blockbuster. It was believed that it would be adapting a new take on Marvel’s first family, The Fantastic Four for 20th Century Fox. Sony jumped into the fray, reportedly seeking the filmmaker to re-imagine Venom for a film.

However, neither studio was able to corral Trank it seems, as his next film will be for Warner Brothers and on the comic book series The Red Star, which was originally at Universal Pictures. Jason Rothenberg will write the script for the comic written by Christian Gossett. Neal Moritz will produce.

No word yet on whether Fox or Sony will wait for Trank to finish The Red Star for WB or if they’ll move on to a different director for their projects.
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Kinda have to know the angle of the story to understand the tagline. Neitherless, imagine Lady Galadriel Elf Princess narrating the tagline as you read it, much like the opening to the LOTR:FOTR.

"Mysteries abound the universe, mysteries that reside in the vastness....long before the time of man. Now man gaze upon the darkness of heaven, as the darkness of heaven, come to man.
 
The primitive man call it a curse, the Renaissance man call it a plague, now, the modern man calls it…..Venom."


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Josh Trank did such a good job with Chronicle, I was (cautiously) excited for a Venom film. No Josh? Then just piss-off some people, make MY ass happy, and put Brock and the symbiote in the ASM films.

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Well,we won't see Venom anytime soon now.

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*sigh* Yeah.

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If Sony really want to do this film, they will find someone else who can, within whatever time frame they would like for release.

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