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133 | 70.00% |
Yes, its about time |
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32 | 16.84% |
He should Find a way to send them to the Phantom Zone |
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14 | 7.37% |
Other (explain) |
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11 | 5.79% |
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#101 |
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And thats why my friends is why people think Bats is cooler.....it's sad but true
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Being evil isn't cool.
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Not when you're the hero. Bats and Supes shouldn't kill.
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That depends on the hero and take. James Bond kills and he's still a hero-like figure, not to mention the embodiment of coolness.
But for Superman, no matter what take you thinkl of, it feels off. |
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Bond is Human,Bats is Human,killing is a Human trait,we can accept it,but Superman is not,he is far more,and it feels wrong because he is a God like saviour even if we don't like to think of him as one,he can be the ultimate role model to humanity without a religious aspect as well.
It would break peoples hearts and feel ultimately let down if he killed or was bad,because then what hope have we got if even he can commit such a crime or sin. I'm very aware right now that he is a fictional alien who can fly. |
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Killing isn't a exclusively human trait. It's a trait of many different species, including some kryptonians as well as numerous other alien races.
Superman doesn't kill, not because he's better than humans, because he's some kind of God or because Kryptonians are instinctively a better race, but because he's as good as a human can be, and he has the means (superpowers + intelligence) not to have to kill.
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Superman: "I can only tell you what I believe, Diana. humankind has to be allowed to climb to its own destiny. We can't carry them there."
Flash: "But that's what she's saying. What's the point? Why should they need us at all?" Superman: "To catch them if they fall." |
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2. He's not human so that does not apply in this case. |
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I disagree on both points.
That's really all I have to say...
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Superman: "I can only tell you what I believe, Diana. humankind has to be allowed to climb to its own destiny. We can't carry them there."
Flash: "But that's what she's saying. What's the point? Why should they need us at all?" Superman: "To catch them if they fall." |
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Well he is not human and that isn't my opinion it's a fact. And he is better than us. He would never think that of himself of course, but he is. Evolution. He's Kryptonian, you know. And that's all I have to say, because if someone tries to tailor the character to their own perceptions and desires so much that they try to make him 100% human and claim he is on our evolution tree to be measured, than I really have no desire to converse about that.
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I think HS was being figurative, not literal.
Superman isn't human. But he is the most HUMANE that a human can be. |
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Him being better,being a saviour or a Godlike figure is how some people on Earth see him,not how he sees himself. |
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Supes makes God look like a blood thirsty *******.
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Actually, not killing IS a Kryptonian trait. It's why once civilization started to form on Krypton, capital punishment was the first thing to go. And it's why Krypton was so advanced-because not only was Krypton scientifically advanced, it was also socially advanced.
![]() ![]() ![]() "There was a right and a wrong in the Universe and that distinction was not very difficult to make."-Miracle Monday. Superman's code against killing is one of the bedrocks on which Kryptonian philosophy is built. And it goes hand-in-hand with Superman's main belief: "Do good to others and every man can be a superman."-that is "the way" that Jor-El speaks of Superman showing humanity, and that is how humanity can, in Superman's view, transcend itself. Transcendence through altruism. Superman's philosophy is a mixture of Kryptonian principles and the Kent's ethics. And it is the Kent's ethics, not just "midwestern farm ethics", like any farmer could have raised him so well. Ma and Pa Kent were to morality and ethics what Jor-El and Lara were to science. Last edited by Kurosawa; 04-03-2012 at 08:48 PM. |
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Should this Superman kill?
- Not as a plot gimmick just to get him Super-pissed - Not as a plot gimmick just to inject extreme emotion - Certainly not as a reckless consequence to his actions, even if those who dies were his enemies...a la SR and the pillar. - Not without it respecting the extreme cost of losing a life and presenting a situation where as ultimately painful as it is, we couldn't blame anyone for having to make that choice with no other available. That said here was a story idea I had for a long time.... Quote:
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But I don't consider that human or kryptonian morality traits have anything to do with biology. I believe they are a product of the society you live in, the people around you and that they are LEARNED throughout your life. I don't believe morals to be innate. So I can't see how Superman's feelings towards taking another like have anything to do with being kryptonian. The only way I could see that happening in a story is if you show that he was fine with killing until he found out about krypton. Quote:
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I think people would probably be pretty pissed at him for NOT killing in certain circumstances. It's not 'the people' that expect more than killing from Superman. It's Superman who expects more from himself. And that's not because he thinks 'I'm from Krypton, I should know better than these humans' IMO. It's because he has learned throughout his life, from his parents, from his experiences in adulthood even... That he holds the value of life very very high. Any life. And he doesn't think he has the right to take one. Quote:
It's like looking at what Krypton was like is his way of seeing that what he wants for Earth IS possible. (Though it doesn't look like this will be the case in MOS. I'd guess it'll be the opposite, and the demise of Krypton will be as a result of negative aspects of kryptonian society that mirror our own (I.e. War)). But just because their society was against the death penalty, doesn't mean they were a completely peaceful race. They still had criminals and murderers. And that's really all my point was. That 'killing' isn't something that no kryptonian is capable of doing. It's not innate in them when they are born not to kill. So Superman having a no kill policy is not because he is alien. It's a combination of his respect for life, and the 'boundaries' he must assign himself so as not to over step the line from 'helping' to 'ruling'.
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Superman: "I can only tell you what I believe, Diana. humankind has to be allowed to climb to its own destiny. We can't carry them there."
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![]() ![]() Dark Superman ? But he was like this in his early days in Golden age.
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Superman: "I can only tell you what I believe, Diana. humankind has to be allowed to climb to its own destiny. We can't carry them there."
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![]() BTW, look how low his "S" shield is placed. ![]()
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![]() ![]() Look at the receding hairlines and this Superman is just starting out as a superhero. ![]() Cavill's hairline may become like this by the end of trilogy. ![]() I hope Not !
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Ah, thoise first comics Superman. I just love it. Sarcastic, cocky, but doing the right thing.
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Oh snarkilicious Supes.
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