Avengers Sequel ideas?

[marcvader]

Agree to disagree. I don't see being able to control the worlds defenses ,communications, and power grids, the goal of annihilating the human race, not enslaving them, a step down. Just the thought of seeing SHIELD helicarriers falling from the skies the world being blacked out with a snap of his fingers sounds amazing to me. I picture seeing Ultron created and being an assistant/servant with the inquisitiveness of HAL and looking up to Hank like a father figure to the point you feel bad for him once he turns at the end of an Antman movie.

[BigThor]

^ I agree, Ultron is definately not a step down from Loki if anything he's even more dangerous and he's a perfect choice for the main villain in Avengers 2.

I just don't see why people want to see Thanos as the villain in Avengers 2 with Ultron being the villain in Avengers 3, now THAT would be a step down.

[DrCosmic]

Ultron is only as powerful as the tech available to him. In the MCU that's not much. What makes him dangerous in this context? I don't see it. One move (taking power) is great for one scene.

And you can be sure that movie Thanos won't be as powerful as comic book Thanos. Omnipotence doesn't translate very well into fight scenes in films.

[MarvelKnight]

The only way to know if it works is if they give it a shot. But I'll tell you what, I'd rather have Marvel than some other idiotic studio (i.e. Galactus as a frickin' cloud) try and attempt it. (the whole omnipotence thing)

As far as Tech Goes:
We only have seen what we've seen on film. With secretive agencies like SHIELD, not to mention the fact that they are introducing (aliens, gods, and machines created by Gods). Even for a casual fan of the movies, I doubt it would be so unbelievable to show that SHIELD has some pretty advanced tech we haven't seen yet. A good time to show some of that stuff would probably be against an Asgardian God and an Alien Army.

The great thing about Marvel doing their movies is they can introduce stuff that hasn't been on the films yet but its not a stretch because it is in the source material(marvel comics as a whole) therefore really, anything is possible. Pym and Stark are two of the Smartest people in the Marvel U. Bring Banner into the equation, and I'm sure a super advanced AI such as Ultron could find a way to incorporate some advanced Stark and Gamma Tech and make it even more advanced to suit his Kill all Humanity mission.

* Plus, Ultron in and of itself is highly advanced, and he is always looking to improve. If they use Ultron in A2 the tech is inherently already available by him being there, In my opinion.

[BigThor]

Originally Posted by DrCosmic

Ultron is only as powerful as the tech available to him. In the MCU that's not much. What makes him dangerous in this context? I don't see it. One move (taking power) is great for one scene.

And you can be sure that movie Thanos won't be as powerful as comic book Thanos. Omnipotence doesn't translate very well into fight scenes in films.

Are you serious? Regular 21st century technology is more powerful than you think, especially when you're able to control pretty much all of the technology on earth.

Just imagine Ultron hacking every main computer system in the world, which would basically give him control over every major weapon on the planet.

[psylockolussus]

I would like to see either Wolverine or Spider-Man!

And for the villain, I would like to see Dr. Doom!

Marvel should work with Sony/Fox for the movie rights of those characters so they can appear in Avengers 2.

[Iron-Fan]

I'd like the see hints of a Hydra resurgence in Cap 2, and a full blown army being led by Red Skull (with Justin Hammer as the weapons developer to replace Dr. Zola) appearing in Avengers 2. Although that setup, with a bad guy from a solo movie creating an army and invading, sounds like a basic mix of Avengers 1 with Captain America: the First Avenger, so I don't see it happening.

So maybe we'll get Avengers 2: Avengers....in space!! ??

[DrCosmic]

Originally Posted by BigThor

Are you serious? Regular 21st century technology is more powerful than you think, especially when you're able to control pretty much all of the technology on earth.

Just imagine Ultron hacking every main computer system in the world, which would basically give him control over every major weapon on the planet.

Is there something more powerful than nuclear missiles I'm not aware of? He blacks out the cities and blows up some other cities. That's all the story he's capable of, afaik.

Okay that's not true, he can also hack personal information from the heroes and confront them on a personal level, which would be cool.

But regardless, it wouldn't be like the comics, where there's abundant super tech to use on the heroes.

Originally Posted by MarvelKnight

The only way to know if it works is if they give it a shot. But I'll tell you what, I'd rather have Marvel than some other idiotic studio (i.e. Galactus as a frickin' cloud) try and attempt it. (the whole omnipotence thing)

A good writer can recognize a bad story without having to spend a million dollars putting on a screen first.

As far as Tech Goes:
We only have seen what we've seen on film. With secretive agencies like SHIELD, not to mention the fact that they are introducing (aliens, gods, and machines created by Gods). Even for a casual fan of the movies, I doubt it would be so unbelievable to show that SHIELD has some pretty advanced tech we haven't seen yet. A good time to show some of that stuff would probably be against an Asgardian God and an Alien Army.

The great thing about Marvel doing their movies is they can introduce stuff that hasn't been on the films yet but its not a stretch because it is in the source material(marvel comics as a whole) therefore really, anything is possible. Pym and Stark are two of the Smartest people in the Marvel U. Bring Banner into the equation, and I'm sure a super advanced AI such as Ultron could find a way to incorporate some advanced Stark and Gamma Tech and make it even more advanced to suit his Kill all Humanity mission.

* Plus, Ultron in and of itself is highly advanced, and he is always looking to improve. If they use Ultron in A2 the tech is inherently already available by him being there, In my opinion.

The movies are not the comics. The only tech is Stark's. Pym is set in the 60s and Banner is only a biologist, so there's no Pym/Banner/Gamma Tech. Derailing the character development of those characters to shoehorn in stuff from the comics that's the result of 40 years of development is not a good story/not going to happen. Don't confuse moviegoers accepting gods and aliens as having superhuman tech (or else how would they get here?) with them accepting humans with superhuman tech without sufficient development ala Iron Man. Just because they like Cheerios does not mean they'll love Tastee-Ohs!.

No matter what tech SHIELD has, it's not going to have the destructive power of Nukes. It's not going to be effective against Loki's army, or else there's not much point in having any Avengers. It's just going to be high tech gadgets we've seen before in other films with cool government agencies, and seeing as how they won't have a whole two hours to establish the move from what we know to the movie's reality, it's not going to be as advanced as Stark's stuff, either. Nick Fury still gets around in a helicopter. It's not comic books, it's just not.

But, yeah, I guess Ultron could hack Tony's armors, and use those as a fight scene, that could be interesting. You guys have won me over. It's not in duplicating the comics like you guys are suggesting, cuz there is no super-tech outside of Stark's basement, but Ultron could actually fill up a movie against 6+ combatants and make for a good story.

Still, there are problems, like Pym not being in the present day. Like most of his power and story coming from Stark or whatever SHIELD's built between Av1 and Av2, him not being a natural bridge from Loki to Thanos, and other stuff like that. But he has potential, can't deny that.

[MarvelKnight]

Well, they're drawing from material that has this stuff in existence. Did vibranium show up before Captain America, no (yes it took place in the 40s before the other movies in the mcu timeline but it still existed). Stark created a new element for pete's sake. I don't think it's a stretch at all to introduce things we haven't seen for the first time into the movies. Especially when you're facing a ridiculously dangerous threat such as this. Of course it's not going to work, you're right, that's why the avengers were formed, but should that stop them from making the attempt? I don't think it should.

As far as Ultron being the enemy, I just think having three cosmic/otherworldly threats in a row seems a bit heavy handed. The Avengers handled heavy hitters on a domestic(earthly) level too. Yes not having pym rooted in the present could be a problem, but they could find ways around that if they wanted to (I hope to god not trust me). But we can agree to disagree and move on.

What we can agree on is that this movie is going to rock and they'll give us a great sequel to boot, no matter what they do.

[BigThor]

Originally Posted by DrCosmic

Is there something more powerful than nuclear missiles I'm not aware of? He blacks out the cities and blows up some other cities. That's all the story he's capable of, afaik.

Okay that's not true, he can also hack personal information from the heroes and confront them on a personal level, which would be cool.

But regardless, it wouldn't be like the comics, where there's abundant super tech to use on the heroes.

But, yeah, I guess Ultron could hack Tony's armors, and use those as a fight scene, that could be interesting. You guys have won me over. It's not in duplicating the comics like you guys are suggesting, cuz there is no super-tech outside of Stark's basement, but Ultron could actually fill up a movie against 6+ combatants and make for a good story.

I didn't suggest that it would "duplicate the comics", I simply stated that Ultron would make a worthy adversary for the Avengers and could provide a large scale threat.

[The Morningstar]

Ultron could definitely be a great villain. Not just taking over the worlds technology, but building an army of Ultron's. The possibilities are endless really.

Thanos? He's not omnipotent unless he has the IG or HotU.

[BigThor]

Originally Posted by The Morningstar

Ultron could definitely be a great villain. Not just taking over the worlds technology, but building an army of Ultron's. The possibilities are endless really.

Thanos? He's not omnipotent unless he has the IG or HotU.

I'm pretty sure he's going to come into possession of the Infinity Gauntlet whenever he shows up as the main villain in the Avengers trilogy.

[The Morningstar]

Well I hope they delve into the cosmic side of Marvel first, before they do the IG story, or the finale to it anyway.

Introduced and explain the cosmic abstracts, celestials etc. Show that it takes more than a bunch of superheroes from Earth to stop Thanos with the IG.

Plus it would give us the opportunity to see the Celestials and Thanos play a game of ping pong... with ****ing planets.

[BigThor]

Originally Posted by The Morningstar

Well I hope they delve into the cosmic side of Marvel first, before they do the IG story, or the finale to it anyway.

Introduced and explain the cosmic abstracts, celestials etc. Show that it takes more than a bunch of superheroes from Earth to stop Thanos with the IG.

Plus it would give us the opportunity to see the Celestials and Thanos play a game of ping pong... with ****ing planets.

Most definately

[MarvelKnight]

I wonder if they will decide after A2 if they'll go past 3 Avengers movies. If they do (and can keep the principle cast together..for the most part) You could push Thanos back towards the end as the ultimate evil they face. While I am sure we all want these avengers to be around for ever, if they continue its conceivable that they might not all be back 10 yrs down the road. Maybe make him their ultimate test.

If they went this route (which again is purely hypothetical) It'd be neat to see a thanos movie with hints of disassembled. Not in the purest sense I know, but the ultimate evil that makes them have to come together and work as a team like never before while finally driving most if not all to the edge that breaks them up. Again this is years down the road if they do more than 3, but hten you could go in other directions whether its a new avengers type approach(or even young avengers if they're established by this time) Just a thought.

I'm really looking forward to Cosmic marvel though, Can't wait.

[Anno_Domini]

If Kevin Feige is still on the idea of there not being an Incredible Hulk 2, I say they could tie up the loose events from TIH into a sequel of the Avengers. Just push back any villain that is hinted at in a first movie and use the Masters of Evil for Avengers 2 with Leader and Abomination in with the team. And then maybe use General Ross and Betty as well. A perfect idea in tying up what happened with The Incredible Hulk if there isn't a sequel, or at least a sequel anytime soon.

Masters of Evil:
- Red Skull
- Mandarin
- Enchantress
- Executioner
- Leader
- Abomination

[MMMMM...Dounuts]

Originally Posted by Anno_Domini

If Kevin Feige is still on the idea of there not being an Incredible Hulk 2, I say they could tie up the loose events from TIH into a sequel of the Avengers. Just push back any villain that is hinted at in a first movie and use the Masters of Evil for Avengers 2 with Leader and Abomination in with the team. And then maybe use General Ross and Betty as well. A perfect idea in tying up what happened with The Incredible Hulk if there isn't a sequel, or at least a sequel anytime soon.

Masters of Evil:
- Red Skull
- Mandarin
- Enchantress
- Executioner
- Leader
- Abomination

I like the idea of Masters of Evil for the sequel, but Zemo needs to lead the team. Maybe bring back Red Skull for Cap 2 or 3.

[Anno_Domini]

Baron Zemo if he's in Captain America 2, but the way they're playing on with Red Skull being in the present without having aged a day because of wherever the Cosmic Cube took him, it seems Skull could be a great member for MoE and possibly the leader as well, or co-leader with Mandarin.

But, if Zemo is introduced, then I'd agree and Red Skull can show up in Cap 3.

[Incredible Hans]

Am I the only one here who'd really like to have Hercules in a sequel?

[marcvader]

BP or the Pyms for me , thank you.

[Anno_Domini]

I'm iffy with the Pyms. It'll be great to see them, but if not then whatevs. Besides, if Wright wants to make an Ant-Man movie with Wasp in its own universe, then so be it.

Black Panther is a must though.

[MarvelKnight]

I would love to see Hercules(hell, even a reference to other pantheons) in a Thor sequel before Avengers..

As for Avengers sequel.. MoE would seem to be a smart choice. It needs Zemo though, imho.

[Superhero 101]

yeah panther would be so badass in a movie

And i love the idea of a Masters of Evil for Avengers 2 with

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Thanos

in the mix

[BigThor]

Originally Posted by marcvader

BP or the Pyms for me , thank you.

Same here, in a pefect world we'd see BP, Hank, & Jan join The Avengers and bring some Ultron awesomeness with them.

[thalidomide]

For some reason when I read the title of this thread I feel a little nervous thinking, "how can they top the 1st Avengers movie?"

I'm not trying to be negative or anything I'm just saying