John Carter : A Princess of Mars - Part 3

[Lighthouse]

Originally Posted by Bruce Malone

If you had a product that lost your company 200 mil you'd probably be trying to downplay that that product ever existed too.

Nope. I would put at least a minimal effort in trying to recoup some of the losses in DVD/Blu-Ray sales. Would it really have been so tough to hire a guy to make a really great DVD cover?

[rogue trooper]

Well, I would have preffered this for the covers:




...but what we're getting at least beats this:

[warhorse78]

Originally Posted by Rowsdower!

And though I try not to put too much stock in the critics, that finally killed my interest, at least to the point where I decided I wasn't going to spend money to see it in theaters.

I guess people would call me a colorful individual. With that said, I generally love movies, and hardly nit pick it like the critics like to. So, as a project one month, I decided to watch the top 10 movies on most critics list. Go figure, maybe I had my expectations too high for these movies, but most of them, I find them to be totally overrated and just plain crappy.

I would now and then, do this, check out oscar winners, critically appraised films of the year, and I'm still left baffled at how these movies are considered "great" or "masterpieces". Basically, I'll take John Carter any day over Citizen Kane, I couldn't even get through Kane because it was just that dreadful to me.

But, this is just me. I see movies mostly as entertainment, and if I'm not entertained, it's crap.

[Rowsdower!]

Oh, I agree with you there... there are some movies out there that are supposedly brilliant but if you bore me to tears, I'm not going to enjoy it. Citizen Kane is a bit of a polarizing film... I think it's a great movie and very well made, but it's more for the direction and Welles brilliant performance... the story itself I think kind of falls flat in the third act. And then of course, you have the "big reveal" at the end, which is a major letdown for some people (I personally thought it was okay, but I understand why so many people are disappointed by it).

[danoyse]

Originally Posted by Lighthouse

Nope. I would put at least a minimal effort in trying to recoup some of the losses in DVD/Blu-Ray sales. Would it really have been so tough to hire a guy to make a really great DVD cover?

Not if they lost over $200 million on it already, with DVD/blu-ray sales not likely to be any kind of savior here. They're not going to spend more money then they have to going forward.

[Thebumwhowalks]

Originally Posted by Rowsdower!

Oh, I agree with you there... there are some movies out there that are supposedly brilliant but if you bore me to tears, I'm not going to enjoy it. Citizen Kane is a bit of a polarizing film... I think it's a great movie and very well made, but it's more for the direction and Welles brilliant performance... the story itself I think kind of falls flat in the third act. And then of course, you have the "big reveal" at the end, which is a major letdown for some people (I personally thought it was okay, but I understand why so many people are disappointed by it).

I don't know what people would be expecting rosebud to be, I mean, it has to be something already touched on in the film, what were they expecting?! haha
Anyway, they are finally gonna be remaking this I heard, instead of a guy who has seen it all, and made a success of himself, they are going in the other direction, where 'Citizen Kane' will be this anonymous dude who spends too much time on the internet, who never posts his photo, so no-one knows what he looks like(but he will take the time to take the piss out other people's photos, haha), and it turns out at the end that Rosebud is

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[dark_b]

http://www.slashfilm.com/rich-ross-steps-disney-head/

[Kane52630]

Well that's not good....

Whoever is going to be in charge now wont let John Carter see the light of day.

[Project862006]

avengers should help disney recoup their losses

but man did disney mess up with john carter's marketing

it is like they did'nt want people to see it lol

[craigdbfan]

It wasn't only the marketing. The movie just didn't resonate with people.

[I Am The Knight]

God, I had forgotten this movie existed.

Oh well, Avengers is almost here.

[TheComicbookKid]

Pretty shrewd move considering the headlines for Avenger's success will still have his name on them.

[Raiden]

Originally Posted by TheComicbookKid

Pretty shrewd move considering the headlines for Avenger's success will still have his name on them.

It sounded like Ross resigned instead of fired from his position as VP of Disney, but I think even with The Avengers' success it still won't erase the fact that his company lost over 200 million on John Carter. He was also responsible for the approval of Mars Need Moms, another big-budgeted stinker, so it is a combination of many things and not just JC that landed him on the hot seat.

[TheVileOne]

Avengers was in the works and was going to happen with or without Rich Ross really.

Deadline.com says Ross was fired so take it for what it's worth.

However any time you report a $200 million loss to your shareholders that happened under your watch, you are in trouble.

[Project862006]

Keven Feige may take his job!!
https://twitter.com/#!/TheInSneider/...30070960988161

[TheWiseGuy487]

Originally Posted by Project862006

Keven Feige may take his job!!
https://twitter.com/#!/TheInSneider/statuses/193430070960988161

Head of Marvel Studios and possible Disney Chairman? Interesting.

[EML420]

Kevin Feige would have a lot of power thats scary.

[psylockolussus]

I'll give this movie a C+.

I didn't really like it, the story was confusing and it just didn't appeal to me. It was like Prince of Persia 2.0.

[dark_b]

your first move bomibing ? no problem
your first movie having a budget over 200 ? no problem
your first movie getting Rich Ross fired? holly s....

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Originally Posted by craigdbfan

It wasn't only the marketing. The movie just didn't resonate with people.

Agreed. Personally I think that it's pure ******** when people say that the only reason the movie failed was marketing. Yes the marketing was bad but the movie had a ton of problems before it was even shooting and I've gone into those problems countless times before. The biggest problem with the film was the word of mouth. People just didn't care for it all that much so it dropped off the face of the earth after it's opening weekend. It just kept dropping over 50% every weekend.

Somebody was always going to get fired for this so this news isn't all that shocking. And expect Stanton to be in live action director jail for a few years because your first big budget live action movie tanking is not going to just go away.

[matrix_ghost]

Originally Posted by dark_b

your first move bomibing ? no problem
your first movie having a budget over 200 ? no problem
your first movie getting Rich Ross fired? holly s....

As head Ross is responsible.
John Carter was made during the time he was in charge and he could've easily stepped in and intervened. He didn't therefore i do think that he is responsible.
I wouldn't put the blame on Stanton for this. It's not like someone screwed up and that mistake drags others ( who weren't involved) in it's wake.

[dark_b]

i dont think its Stanton's fault. but its hist first movie and a guy got fired because they lost 200 millions on that movie. noone could expected this. its just wooow.

but its funny since Lasseter told Disney to buy the John Carter rights so that Stanton could direct his first movie.

[rogue trooper]

It appears JC may have already found a second life, as it's already on #1 bestseller spot chart in Amazon in bluray pre-order sales: http://www.thehdroom.com/news/John-C...Revealed/10511

[VOLCHKOV]

I think for the DVD, Disney should change the title to John Q & claim Denzel Washington is in the picture.

[Figs]

Originally Posted by psylockolussus

I'll give this movie a C+.

I didn't really like it, the story was confusing and it just didn't appeal to me. It was like Prince of Persia 2.0.

It still baffles me that people found this movie confusing.