DTL Season 7-Week 1

[DTL Commish]

The rules:
This thread will be in use for 7 days. Days 1-3 are strictly setup time for owners to post their battles, plead their cases, tell us their team’s strategies, breakdown the match ups, and do whatever else they can/want to do to try and convince you that their team would pull out a victory inside of 2 posts. Please, let the owners do this on their own with no help. Debating cannot begin until both owners post battles.

On days 4 (Dec 27) I will post and tell everyone that debating may begin. Each owner has one post to rebut their opponent's match, and another to correct any issues of their opponent's rebuttle.

On days 6, I will post and tell everyone that voting can begin. Any votes cast before I open voting will not count. Look over the matchups and read the strategies, and take into consideration how in-character each character is. Afterwards, use your best judgment to decide who you think has the best chance to win the match. (Note: The length of a writeup is at the discretion of the owner. Do not punish owners just for having a shorter writeup.)

To vote, rate each team's writeup and arguments between 1-10 (0 is reserved for non-writeups). The team you think will win should get the higher score (tie scores are not allowed). Remember to vote for all matches or your votes will not count! The teams with the highest point total at the end of the 7th day will get a W while the other will get an L. (Equal scores will result in a tie.)

The battleground for this week is: New Krypton (domed)


The Odd Alliance
Hyperion (Supreme Power) (MU)
Vulcan (MU)
Ambrose Chase (DR)
Skullfire (MR)
Cyclops (MR)

VS.

AnnoyingSilence
Sersi (MU)
Cable(BurntOffering) (MU)
MountJoy (MM)
MultipleMan (OnePersonality) (MM)
NorthStar (AoH) (MM)
_______________________________

Chaos & Order
Superman (DU)
Exodus (MU)
Silver Sorceress (DM)
Batman (Dick Grayson) (DR)
Deadshot (DR)

VS.

The Blazing Horde
Dark Flash (Walter West) (DU)
Silver Surfer (Annihilation) (MU)
Proctor (MM)
Batman (1 Million) (DR)
Boy Blue (Homelands) (DR)
_______________________________

The Immortals
Xavier Juggernaut (MU)
Sodam Yat (Green Lantern) (DU)
Balck Queen Selene (MM)
Death Wolverine (MR)
Midnighter (DR)

VS.

Cavaliers of Comics
Zatanna (DU)
Iron Man (MM)
Captain America (MR)
Booster Gold (DR)
Deadpool (MR)

[AnnoyingSilence]

sss

[AnnoyingSilence]

Materializing on the island nation of Providence:

Cable (BurntOffering)-U
Sersi-U
MountJoy-M
MultipleMan (OnePersonality)-R
NorthStar (AoH)-R

Being of a supreme order of telepaths, Cable and Sersi, both without thought has already aquianted themselves with the people around them. Cable slows the thoughts of NorthStar and MountJoy, so to avoid a fight.
Before any questions can be asked, Cable shoots everyones attention to the jumbo-tron. Listed is an explanation of what is happening and the team of combatants:

Hyperion (Supreme Power)-U
Vulcan-U
Ambrose Chase-R
Cyclops-R
Skullfire-R

(the links are standard, my team will only know what a person is capable of if they have a way of information)

As the first thought, Cable realizes that the best course of action is to have MountJoy absorb NorthStar and MultipleMan.... that means killing MM and NS... Completely immoral, can't do it. Besides, its against the rules to raise a characters lvl. And making MJ a superfast, strong, agile, multiplying, absorbing, projecting basilisk field. would definitely do it.

After giving it a good long thought and creating a mind-link w/everyone, Cable: Multiple Man, Multiply once, Mount Joy "ride" the dupe.... Northstar, your gonna have to trust me on this.

Northstar: I don't fear death anymore...

Cable: Good. Mount Joy, "ride" Northstar, Duplicate 10x, expell the Northstars, Reabsorb all but one of you and expell the Multiple Men.

Cable reads the availible minds to recall the identities that they are aware of....
Cyclops is a given.
Desprate, the team "googles" the names and only one name came up positive. Hyperion. The interview he had with a reporter told his lifes story.

Cable: Cyclops alone knows the entire AnnoySilence.

Through out the night, though they are on different parts of providence, thier mind-link keeps them connected while formulating a plan that basically goes:
Sersi uses her powers to form a light lead armor that encompasses he whole body(which will let him travel somewhat faster) with mirror coating on the small army of Northstars. As long as they stay in constant motion or are at a good distance, they are greatly cloaked. The lead is for x-ray vision and the mirror coating for infrared and heat vision.
5 Northstars a MountJoy and a Multiple Man with Cable, and 5 Northstars a MountJoy and a Multiple Man with Sersi.
telepathic blocks are expected, first priority is to seperate Hyperion and Vulcan, they are the most powerful, the rest are regulars, so you can probly just beat'm up...

To Battle

New Krypton

Materializing:
Zipping off in thier new lead/mirrored suites, Northstar takes the first task to find The Odd Alliance. While Sersi and Cable fly in opposite directions until suddenly one of the Northstars finds the other team.

Cable: The Northstar that has the visual, I need you to do a big circle around them and follow from a very high, distant point and keep an eye out for us. the Rest of the NorthStars, return to Sersi(5) and I(4).

With Cables strong telepathy, he sees everything The Odd Alliance does through the NorthStar. carrying thier respective MJ's, Sersi and Cable steer to close in on The Odd Alliance.
While on the other side:

Hyperion: You were right Cyclops, there was a LOT of turbulence all over the city before, Some how they have found us. They're headed right for us.

Cyclops: Multiple NorthStars. That means they have a pair of eyes on us right now. We have to act NOW! Before they get too close togother and on top of us... Attack Sersi and expect Multiple speedsters. Just remember the trigger.

Back to The AnnoyingSilence:
Seeing this movement, the Information is transferred to the rest of the team and the stalking NorthStar returns to Cable(who bullets off towards Sersi).

Sersi, Multiple Man, MountJoy, 5 hidden NorthStars Vs. The Odd Alliance

Flying in high dropping off passengers, Hyperion hits Sersi's Telekinetic Shield, Sersi Dramatizing a fall(grabbing her MountJoy on her way down between two buildings).
Vulcan depowers Multiple Man and Cyclops knocks'm out.
Racing to the edge of the roof to get a spot on Sersi, 5 Northstars explode on to The Odd Alliance from over the roofs edge. Even now up close with NS's mirrored armor, the Odd Alliance can barely see them.
With The Odd Alliance initially stunned, one NorthStar snaps his fingers, blinding The Odd Alliance, then all 5 grab Vulcan and throw him off the roof(where he floats).
Returning to battle, Sersi drops Her MountJoy off on the roof after the blinding flash.
Sersi drains the energy out of Skullfire, MountJoy reduces the reaction time of Vulcan while 3 Northstar pound on him.
2 Northstars on Cyclops (using wide spread blasts to act like an attacking shield)and not being able to get a bead on a NS, Chase quickly switchs to Sersi's MJ. With the easy shot, but reeling from the flash, he shoots the MountJoy all over, breaking his focus from Vulcan. Eventualy, Vulcan falls to the street below knocked out... With all his vaunted power, He has the durability of a regular human and his reaction cut in half by MJ. Though he flies until hes knocked out. hes stunned and serverely hurt by everypunch from the 3 NSs.

Cyclops: Take Flight!!

The Odd Alliance instantly lay against the roof. Taking his Visor off, Cyclops does a complete 360' turn, instantly knocking out MountJoy, Sersi w/o a shield this time takes greater damage and is she slams into a building.
But seeing how Cyclops' Optic Blasts reflect off of mirrors, the further NorthStars go UnHarmed and instantly beat cyclops into unconciousness after the blast is over.
Unable to react, The Odd Alliance are unable to react fast enough, being held down telekinetically by Cable.

Cable, MountJoy, Multiple Man and 7 Northstars Vs. Hyperion, Ambrose Chase

As Cables team draws close, MultipleMan: YEA! Now that the saviors on the scene, Lets see who rocks this party!

Hyperion bursts down through the buildings roof, circling around with all his might to punching Cable. And pancakes and his extended shield.
Cable finds Hyperions mechanical telepathic block, smashes it and puts him to sleep.
Ambrose Chase tries to shoot the MountJoy now that he has left Cable side, but the bullets bounce off Cables still entacced shield. Grabbing MountJoys attention, which in retaliation MJ blankets Ambrose with a basilisk field fires his crossbow, gets hit a couple times by gunfire, uses his mindlink with the 3 Northstars to beat Chase down.

Annoying Silence Wins

[JewishHobbit]

Double Post... I'll use this space as a rebuttle to AS later.

[JewishHobbit]

The Odd Alliance
Vulcan (MU)
Hyperion (Supreme Power) (MU)
Cyclops (MR)
Skullfire (MR)
Ambrose Chase (DR)

Vs.

AnnoyingSilence
Cable (Burnt Offering) (MU)
Sersi (MU)
Mountjoy (MM)
Northstar (Agent of Hydra) (MR)
Multiple Man (MR)

Prep Time

The Odd Alliance

I envision that the story would begin with the introduction of the team to one another. The majority of this would be fine if not for Vulcan... the one psychopath of the bunch. I figure a fight will break out with him, especially with Cyclops being present... however, it won't take long for everyone to realize that something strange is going on. It may take Vulcan a bit longer to calm down, but with Cyclops, Ambrose, and Hyperion's reasonable voices, it shouldn't be too much of a stretch to see him not killing anyone. And as we saw in X-Men: Emperor Vulcan, Vulcan can work with enemies when it's in his best interests (as with Havoc and Lilandra), though he will plan to betray them at the first opportunity. The good thing is, Vulcan can betray Cyclops all he wants after the battle but it won't matter... it will have finished by then, so it's a pointless threat as far as this game goes. So this will get rid of the initial problems of Cyclops and Vulcan being on the same team. Won't make it easy, but it stops the inevitable showdown of their meeting.

Now that that's out of the way, we can really get to Cyclops's strength. The reason I wanted him this week is that he is 100% familiar with every single person that the Odd Alliance is facing, and he's familiar. He's a strategic genius and he has time to plan for the battle. He knows Vulcan from his own encounter with him and from Havoc's reports from space. The rest of the team should be fairly giving on explaining and showing who they are and how their powers work and such. This is all a gold mind for Cyclops as well because Hyperion, Skullfire, and Ambrose Chase are all complete mysteries to their foes, and Cyclops will consider this. He will be the one to put together the plan that will win them the battle. Once Hyperion is sure that Cyclops isn't a government head playing him, I think everyone will comply. Vulcan is more questionable, but I think Cyclops is smart enough, and Vulcan easily predictable enough to someone like Cyclops, that he can word his words enough to get Vulcan to do the general thing he's asking.

AnnoyingSilence

This side of the coin may begin more comfortable but the results won't be as well. MountJoy is the only real difficult one here and I see him sneaking around more so than fighting. Cable will catch him but he'll comply. He's an effective weapon, but by no means a powerhouse on his own. Northstar would also be a problem, but I just don't see him causing much problem here. Everyone will know of one another after a short conversation and some brief introduction (though most will be mildly familiar with the rest). They will discuss the other team but only Cyclops will be familiar... and certainly not the edgier Cyclops he is to this day. Vulcan came after each of these incarnations so that'd be a complete mystery as well. So in the end, I see Cable taking charge but planning loosely as they have little to go off of.

I now see Cable doing something unpredictable, knowing how well Cyclops knows him, he will confront Mountjoy, knowing that he will wish to ride someone. He will know that Mountjoy, for all his power, would be easier to control than a deranged Northstar, and so he gives him permission to take over Northstar's body. This will be for Mountjoy's benefit, but it will also help Cable keep tabs on the psychopaths on his team... lessening that number to 1. It doesn't much matter how it's done, but I don't see it being very difficult for Mountjoy to do this. And so, Cable's 5 man strike force becomes 4, though a more maintainable 4. Not to mention, he knows that he has Multiple Man to make up for it in numbers.


The Battle

Now, everyone arrives on New Krypton. I think the first thing that Cable would do is scan for life, and while certain members of the Odd Alliance will be untraceable (Cyclops, Skullfire, arguably Hyperion) he should be able to find Vulcan and Ambrose. He will then lead the assault toward them, but Cyclops will expect this.

The initial plan:

Vulcan & Ambrose – The Bate. I don't see Cyclops sharing this with Vulcan or Ambrose, knowing Cable might be able to pluck it from their minds. He will simply tell Ambrose to stick with Vulcan to the best of his abilities. I see Ambrose cussing a lot while attempting to follow orders.

Cyclops & Skullfire – The Secret. These two are the best protected minds against Cable's telepathy and so they will follow Vulcan & Ambrose secretly, awaiting the attack.

Hyperion – The Radar. He will remain behind, listening to the wind and looking with his X-Ray vision... waiting their foes out. He does not move forward, as he has the speed to catch up within seconds. Instead, he stays back, surveys, and will pounce just as Cable's squad arrives.

And in all this they are preparing to spring the trap. Now, Vulcan will mess this trap up, but at least signs of it will contribute to the Odd Alliance winning.

Vulcan vs Cable

I see the first assault coming from Cable himself, who gives a bit of a telepathic sucker punch to Vulcan and Ambrose, followed by the speed of Northstar (w/Mountjoy in toe). He wouldn't do this so much to knock them out as to test them. However, this little intrusion should be enough to set Vulcan off... which is a very bad thing for Cable. The reason is that Vulcan would tear through the space shuttle (literally through it) until he got to Cable. I'm sure Cable would use his powers to attempt to stop Vulcan but Vulcan would quickly turn that around on him. In X-Men: Deadly Genesis, Vulcan had turned off Rachel Grey's telepathic powers by controlling the electrical energy in her brain, and keep in mind that she is a powerful telepath due to the addition of the Phoenix Force. Cable is more powerful, yes, but Vulcan is Omega Level Plus, so that shouldn't be too much of a problem. And so as Vulcan negates Cable's powers, even if he can't do all of it, Cable suddenly becomes MAYBE what he was when he first showed up. The problem being, he has no weapons to compensate. And so he's basically a powerless or very near powerless soldier against Vulcan, who will quite simply.... tear him apart. One energy blast like those he usually uses will tear Cable to nothing but a skeleton. Cable will put up a fight, but remember... he'd know nothing about Vulcan, that he can do this, or to what levels he really is. Cable has an amazing mind, but against someone who can negate that mind and the Omega level power to kill (and he does so happily) Cable will be the first to fall.

Now, of course, the murder wouldn't have been in Cyclops's plan, but there's not much Cyclops could have done to prevent it, and Vulcan's sudden taking off after Cable would have been too fast for him to prevent. But the depowering WAS in the plan. Cyclops would be really upset and would want nothing more than to tear Vulcan apart, but he knows there's nothing he can do. He is almost happy to see Vulcan suddenly tackled by the Eternal Sersi, and almost disappointed to suddenly, like a blur, see Hyperion arrive in the battlefield and trow them both to thee ground, through several floors, and disappearing into the darkness below.

Ambrose Chase & Cyclops vs Northstar, Mountjoy

Feeling the telepathic punch, Ambrose goes into defensive mode. He was warned that a first line of offense might be the speedster and so they had a plan set in place. As soon as he was hit he extended his field several feet in front of him and Northstar runs smack dab into it. The time distortion slows him to a crawl (and even that is impressive, as it should have stopped him) and Ambrose quickly pulls out his guns and puts several bullets into the Speedster; one in each kneecap and one in the stomach. Cyclops asked him to only wound the speedster but this may have been a bit more than expected.

He returns his field to normal an Northstar drops. He cries out in agony as Ambrose comes closer, prepared to render him unconscious. Unexpectedly, however, Mountjoy leaps out of Northstar and claws Ambrose across the throat with his rather long finger nails. He flings himself at the bleeding Ambrose but finds it difficult to absorb or enter him.

It was shown in Excalibur 100 that Mountjoy could not jump into Captain Britain because of his armor's force field. I think he may have a similar problem with Ambrose's field... something that Cyclops would anticipate (but really is a result of chance in this scenerio). And so in seeing Ambrose vulnerable, and realizing that Mountjoy was in Northstar and would try to take the new vessel, Cyclops enters the fray, and when Mountjoy struggles to enter Ambrose, he is suddenly taken out by a full optic blast to the back. It might be more force than necessary but Cyclops is obviously still seething over the death of his son.

Cyclops will check on Ambrose, who is a bit wobbly still having taken a hard hit from Mountjoy, when suddenly Cyclops's neck will snap. Northstar cannot run and is bleeding horribly, but he can still fly... and upon seeing his foe he flew to him quickly and killed him. His instincts kicking in, as soon as the unfortunate death happened, only inches from his face, Ambrose sets his field again and catches Northstar is a beginning jolt into the air, freezing him. And defenseless, Northstar receives two more bullets... this time one is in the chest and the other in the brain. Then Ambrose falls out unconscious. The wounds he had received and the will to expand his field again wears him out so that all four of these characters are left dead or unconscious.

Skullfire vs Multiple Man

Now, while the initial attack began, Cyclops gave it to Skullfire to sneak his way to Multiple Man. Skullfire knows that impact will only make Multiple Man stronger through multiplication, even the force impact of his own optic blast, but Skullfire is pure energy, not a physical form. He doesn't quite impact like the rest would so he's the best bet to take on someone who gets stronger with impact.

Now, it goes to assume that Multiple Man will have already created some dupes by this point, but he's not one to create an army until he's ready to march into war. He usually only does this when facing a LOT of foes, or as a distraction or intimidation. Skullfire will fly, searching for them and as he finds Multiple Man and whatever dupes he has created, he will confront them with a quick jolt to the head/brain. It wouldn't be a physical thud as much as a type of shock, which should be enough to knock him out. He may have to try this on a few dupes, and if a dog pile begins Skullfire can just kinda disperse around them to get out without causing much impact, or even start zapping them one by one, taking them out without creating more dupes.

This would be difficult but if he's careful about it, as Cyclops instructs, it shouldn't take him long to find Jamie-Prime and take him out without much problem. And returning to the scene of the battle he will find Cyclops dead and Ambrose unconscious, along with Northstar, Mountjoy, and Cable. Seeing the hole in the ground and hearing the battle below, he descends and tries to help out.

It seems like a simple solution but sometimes those do occur. And to be honest, Jamie is great through his numbers. He's pretty vulnerable himself though and any one of the Odd Alliance can take him out with the proper planning... the type of planning that Cyclops could afford.

Vulcan vs Hyperion vs Sersi... and Skullfire's in there too

Yes, Vulcan and Hyperion are on the same team, but let's be honest. The moment Hyperion saw Vulcan fry Cable he no longer considers him a teammate, nor does anyone else for that matter. All three of these people can be a bit tempered so I don't see anyone sitting out at all. It's a full blown free for all. This is fortunate for Sersi in that if she had to face Hyperion and Vulcan as a unified force she wouldn't stand a chance, but this way she at least stands on level ground. By the time Skullfire reaches them I figure the battle is in full swing, and one heck of a battle it is. Not being stupid, he hangs back and waits for his openings.

I don't see any point in detailing a long physical confrontation between the three but I'm sure that by the time Skullfire enters the fray all 3 of them are pretty beat up, though still going strong. Hyperion never really seems to tire short of a hydrogen explosion so I'd imagine he'd still be in the best shape of the three. I see Vulcan furious and seething and just going nuts. I see Sersi being a bit more defensive but also going all out on Vulcan.

Now, to get a better idea of the details of how they all measure up. Sersi's ability to rearrange matter could be a factor, but Vulcan is a good defense for that. In War of Kings issue 6 he was hit point blank by Blackbolt's scream and left as a withered husk. A moment later he attacked, having healed himself, so he obviously can heal from any structural damage his body sustains. Anything frying or altering Sersi tries of him would only be a temporary stay. He would be back in the battle before she could find anything to harm Hyperion with. She also fires tons of energy blasts and such but not only can Vulcan redirect those, he can use them against her, and even pull them out of her and attempt to drain her. There was a mention of Sersi controlling humans, but Hyperion isn't human, and Vulcan's shown difficulty to telepaths so I'd assume there'd be problems here as well. She is not invulnerable, though very turable, but both Hyperion and Vulcan have the strength and power to hurt her so that's no problem. They all 3 fly at superhuman speeds. And Sersi still has nobility about her, whereas Vulcan does not and Hyperion was questionable at the time of this version.

So as you can see, though Hyperion and Vulcan would add difficulty to one another, I don't see Sersi taking out either of them in the battle, and the only thing keeping her alive for quite some time would be the differences between Hyperion and Vulcan. I think in the end, it will be Vulcan who takes out Sersi, as he could probably fry her fairly easily with a concentrated blast.

But for the sake of fun and a specific end battle. I see Skullfire watching from the side, unsure of what to do. Finally, realizing that Vulcan is the biggest threat, but that Sersi is the opponant, he goes to Hyperion and tries to side with him. This would most likely work and they would split the chores. Hyperion would go after Vulcan and Skullfire after Sersi... Skullfire can absorb energies and such as well anyhow, and he has no physical form for her to alter. I see this going for a while on both fronts but eventually I think Vulcan probably would wind Hyperion with the level of focused power and then he'd turn his attention to Sersi. He'd attack and then realize that Skullfire is pure energy, which he is master of. And so I see him taking control of Skullfire while he and Sersi battle and I see him forcing him into a quick beam of light, shot straight through Sersi's ears, destroying her brain in the process, and probably messing up Skullfire as well.

I picture Hyperion eventually getting his wind back and attacking Vulcan again, but it doesn't matter at that point because all of the AnnoyingSilence team has been stopped, and the Odd Alliance stands victorious.

Winner – Odd Alliance

[AnnoyingSilence]

deranged Northstar

Your nuts. Northstar was leading armies into multiple attacks against x-men and sentinels. hes far from nuts and would had been the most complient.

help Cable keep tabs on the psychopaths on his team

Cable, sersi, northstar and multiple man will instantly know thier good guys. and unlike your team, i have two POWERFUL telepaths that Make him do w/e they want.

followed by the speed of Northstar (w/Mountjoy in toe).

i thought MJ was riding NS. and if not. then why do it in your prebattle.
and what about followed by the speed of mountjoy/northstar?
his strength?
basilisk field?
Poison Bolts from his crossbow?
theres 2 people on your team that are physically resistant to anything is Skullfire and Hyperion

Unexpectedly, however, Mountjoy leaps out of Northstar and claws Ambrose across the throat with his rather long finger nails.

yea right.
he would have hit chase with a basilisk field and jumped from NS's body right into AC's, gaining complete control and experience over his powers instantly.
did it in Bishop #4. from bishop, into psylocke, kicks bishop out of the air, psycic knifes gambit and jumps in him.

Excalibur 100 that Mountjoy could not jump into Captain Britain because of his armor's force field. I think he may have a similar problem with Ambrose's field...

isn't captain britains(MU) force field MUCH STRONGER than Ambrose chases(DR)?

Skullfire vs Multiple Man

Multiple Man doesn't need skullfire to attack him to be able to multiply
what? how strong is skullfire?
Timothy could control his powers at will. Absorbing the energy of Halo City's powerplants giving Timothy a permanent source of power
his body was destroyed
now IS capable of levitation and can absorb and channel the energy around him with far more ease and control

It wouldn't be a physical thud as much as a type of shock, which should be enough to knock him out.He may have to try this on a few dupes, and if a dog pile begins Skullfire can just kinda disperse around them to get out without causing much impact, or even start zapping them one by one, taking them out without creating more dupes

Right.... skullfire is a regular...

shouldn't take him long to find Jamie-Prime and take him out

did you just have cyclops kill MM? or have him killed? because that is what it'd take to stop his dupes.

I see Sersi being a bit more defensive.

yea because sersi is Sooooo weak. shes only been in battle with avengers ump-teen-times, and has jumped in front of villians such as Exodus and challenged them head on.

In War of Kings issue 6 he was hit point blank by Blackbolt's scream and left as a withered husk. A moment later he attacked, having healed himself, so he obviously can heal from any structural damage his body sustains. Anything frying or altering Sersi tries of him would only be a temporary stay. He would be back in the battle before she could find anything to harm Hyperion with.

1. you say a husk was left... something to heal from(non-genetically altered)
2. Sersi is the only living Fifth Level adept at matter transmutation(on a 1-5 scale). She has the ability to alter molecular and atomic structures of all matter including living organisms. However, she has expressed difficulty in rearranging sub-atomic matter.
3. if you can't kill vulcan by dispersing his atoms, how can you kill him?

[JewishHobbit]

It's so great I had to post it twice.

I'll use the first space as a rebuttal later.

[Ahura Mazda]

Originally Posted by DTL Commish

The Immortals
Xavier Juggernaut (MU)
Sodam Yat (Green Lantern) (DU)
Balck Queen Selene (MM)
Death Wolverine (MR)
Midnighter (DR)

VS.

Cavaliers of Comics
Zatanna (DU)
Iron Man (MM)
Captain America (MR)
Booster Gold (DR)
Deadpool (MR)

The Immortals are comprised of:

Xavier as the Juggernaut – he conquered his world and not only was he the most supreme physical ‘hero’ of that world he was also able to develop the greatest mind having linked with all the great minds in his universe such as Reed, Pym, Stark and Banner. He defeated all the other heroes having developed a gas which took away their suèper powers.

Sodom Yat as a Green Lantern – this guy is a Daxamite with superman like powers as well as having the powers of a powerful green lantern destined to become Ion.

Black Queen Selene – She is a psychic vampire that can enslave people with her mind, drain their life forces enhancing herself, as well as being able to disguise herself as others. She also can do magic.

Wolverine as Death – This is Wolverine with enhancements. He carries a sword which is able to use to channel immensely powerful energy bolts. He also has some sort of cloaking ability, which also shielded him from telepathy. Wolverine as Death was also able to tap into telepathic conversations and teleport.

Midnighter – He is the ultimate street level fighter with superhuman speed, strength, stamina, resilience as well as an ability to predict exactly how a battle will go before he throws the first punch.

This is a very powerful team that will be able to fight with each other as Xavier wil not broke any disobedience. Even Selene is no match for his telepathic powers.

In addition, they have knowledge of both universes and therefore of their opponents:

Zatanna (DU)
Iron Man (MM)
Captain America (MR)
Booster Gold (DR)
Deadpool (MR)

This battle will be over before it starts. First off, they have no knowledge of Xavier as the Juggernaut and also very little of Midnighter.

Selene and Sodam Yat will team together to take down Zatanna while the other 3 keep the 4 others busy. The battle against Zatanna would be very quick as Sodam would envelop her mouth in a green gag and Selene would drain her using her psychic powers. They would not give her the time to even come up with a spell let alone state it.

Xavier would be more then a match for the others just based on his psychic powers alone as they have nothing to protect them not to mention that physically he has more power then all 4 combined. He will also be helped by two of the most lethal killers around.

This other team is simply outgunned.

[wiegeabo]

Chaos & Order
Superman (DU)
Exodus (MU)
Silver Sorceress (DM)
Batman (Dick Grayson) (DR)
Deadshot (DR)

VS.

The Blazing Horde
Dark Flash (Walter West) (DU)
Silver Surfer (Annihilation) (MU)
Proctor (MM)
Batman (1 Million) (DR)
Boy Blue (Homelands) (DR)


In prep-time, Superman, Batman, and the Silver Sorceress should have no trouble working together. Exodus would definitely be put off by his powers not working, but he'd have little choice but to work with the others. he is a survivor, after all. The only potential problem would be Deadshot. He'd not be likely to work with the team. Probably even try and fight them. But I have little doubt that Dick and the Sorceress can stop him. Even Superman, although powerless, has all of New Krypton's technology at his disposal. At the end, they'll be able to 'convince' Deadshot to work together, he's no idiot after all. Besides, he might see it as an opportunity to escape once the battle starts, which is why it'll be important to plan around that.

Superman's natural advantage with all the Kryptonian tech is huge. He could likely spend the time bringing they entire city under their control.

In the end, there's two tricky opponents: Dark Flash and Boy Blue. Dark Flash because of the Speed Force, and Boy Blue because he's an unknown quantity. Seeing as how the only one who can match the Flash is Superman, he's the logical choice. But even then it'll be iffy. Although, once their powers kick in when the match starts, they'll both be moving faster than anyone else can think. And if anyone can handle the unknown, it's the Sorceress who's power is to change the odds against her opponent. This would leave the Surfer for Exodus, Deadshot for Proctor, and Batman vs. Batman.

But it's going to take a bit of thinking outside the box to ensure a win.

***


Superman And Exodus vs Silver Surfer
Despite his speed and resistance to pretty much any injury Walter could dish out, he'd still be vulnerable to some speed force tricks like speed stealing.And while Exodus has the advantage of distance attacks, he lacks the speed to be completely effective against the Flash. The obvious choice would be teaming up, but then there's the Surfer.

So what about teaming up against the Surfer? It can be done, and be done without Flash getting involved. Why? Ubers have to attack each other first, yet both Superman and Exodus can fight in space (protecting himself in a tk bubble). But the Flash can't follow, and he can't attack the others. This leaves Superman to fight the Surfer physically while Exodus attacks his mind.


Superman And Exodus vs Dark Flash
This fight is fast and heavy within the first fractions of a second once Superman returns from outside the dome. And now Exodus is free to assist from a safe vantage point outside. So even if Walter gets Superman in a sticky situation, Exodus can continue to attack from relative safety. Eventually the Flash will fall from the continuous mental and physical fights from these two.


While the ubers are off fighting...

Deadshot vs Proctor
You'd think Proctor would have this one wrapped up. He's an expert fighter, virtually immortal, and can even play with your mind. On the other hand, Deadshot can become intangible. Which is why he's the perfect opponent, there's nothing Proctor can do to him. And Deadshot is an expert assassin and has tracking and targeting gear built into his equipment. And he doesn't necessarily need to defeat Proctor single-handedly, just delay him till help arrives...


Batman vs Batman 1 Million
This match could only be one on one. It's a certainty that Bruce would have recorded everything he learned about 1 Mil, and Dick would have read about it (that's what they do). It's enough that, at the very least, he'll be able to survive a while...


Silver Sorceress vs Boy Blue
The Witching Cloak makes Boy Blue a very tough opponent. Fortunately, the Sorceress is an experienced spell caster. Granted, the Cloak protects Blue from magical attacks, but that doesn't mean she still doesn't have options. Silver has ranged attacks on her side with which to slow Blue down. Make the ground beneath his feet disappear. Bring rooms, and even buildings down on him. Teleport to a safe distance, while remaining close enough to stay in the fight. She only needs to survive...


The Ubers
The battle of the regulars is tough. No doubt. The deciding factor though will be the ubers joining the fray. Both Superman and Exodus working together can take down Flash and the Surfer. And with their opponents out of the way, there's not much the regulars can do to stop them. Exodus can easily attack Proctor and Boy Blue's minds (Bats 1 Mil probably has some psi-protection. He could even teleport them into space (making most of his team mates angry, but too late to do anything about it). Add in Superman, and even these lower ranked characters will find themselves out matched.

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Rebuttles may now begin.

[AnnoyingSilence]

post 6

[JewishHobbit]

I'll start with the pre-story

Originally Posted by AnnoyingSilence

As the first thought, Cable realizes that the best course of action is to have MountJoy absorb NorthStar and MultipleMan.... that means killing MM and NS... Completely immoral, can't do it. Besides, its against the rules to raise a characters lvl. And making MJ a superfast, strong, agile, multiplying, absorbing, projecting basilisk field. would definitely do it.

After giving it a good long thought and creating a mind-link w/everyone, Cable: Multiple Man, Multiply once, Mount Joy "ride" the dupe.... Northstar, your gonna have to trust me on this.

Northstar: I don't fear death anymore...

Cable: Good. Mount Joy, "ride" Northstar, Duplicate 10x, expell the Northstars, Reabsorb all but one of you and expell the Multiple Men.

Now this I believe to be a stretch. Here's the reasoning behind it. Multiple Man has the ability to multiply because it's in his genetic code. Mountjoy gains that when he rides him (or basically, just controls him), but the Northstars are where I find my problem. Mountjoy/Multiple Man makes doubles of Northstar, but Northstar doesn't have the genetic code to control these dupes. Multiple Man can maintain his dupes due to his genetic code, but once that's deteriorated they become mindless nothings (as shown in X-Factor 100). Without that genetic code to guide them and give them life, the Northstar dupes would pretty much be crash test dummies and useless to the cause.

There's two scenarios I can see happening with this. Either 1) they'd fall dead or just kinda go 'pop', or 2) they'd be mindless directionless drones. My reasoning for that second one is in X-Factor 100.

And as you stated, Cable wouldn't allow MJ to kill Jamie or Northstar, so he wouldn't let him go back in to control them... so, in my mind, based on the logic I find in the history of Jamie Madrox, the multiple Northstars wouldn't work once separated from Mountjoy.

Cable reads the available minds to recall the identities that they are aware of....
Cyclops is a given.
Desperate, the team "googles" the names and only one name came up positive. Hyperion. The interview he had with a reporter told his life story.

Cable: Cyclops alone knows the entire AnnoySilence.

They know Cyclops but not how strategic he's become or how more willing he is to go darker routes to win. Any seething X-Fan will tell you, the Cyclops of today is nothing like the Cyclops that anyone on the AnnoyingSilence team would recognize. That gives them an edge.

And more importantly, you have a 'google' search come up with Hyperion's interview with the reporter that told who he was... problem with that is that that happened in the Supreme Powers Universe, which isn't 616. There's no possible way that they would have gotten that information. Hyperion is a complete mystery to them.

Through out the night, though they are on different parts of providence, thier mind-link keeps them connected while formulating a plan that basically goes:
Sersi uses her powers to form a light lead armor that encompasses he whole body(which will let him travel somewhat faster) with mirror coating on the small army of Northstars. As long as they stay in constant motion or are at a good distance, they are greatly cloaked. The lead is for x-ray vision and the mirror coating for infrared and heat vision.

I still question the multiple Northstars but I've already gave my reasoning on that. As for the suits, I don't think they'd work at all. Here's why:

You're going with the assumption the team knows Hyperion. They don't (as already stated) so they wouldn't know about the lead deal... which I can't even really find anywhere in the Supreme Powers comics. I think that's a Superman deal isn't it? I don't think it applies to Hyperion, but I could be wrong. Either way, they wouldn't know to use it. The mirrors, I can see them using to deflect Cyclops's blast (though it seems a bit overkill to me. It's still glass that can be shattered and wound the wearer. Not very practical for combat), but how would it make them faster? It's more weight added to them... light weight, but there's nothing about mirrors and lead that gives extra speed.

To Battle

Originally Posted by AnnoyingSilence

New Krypton

Materializing:
Zipping off in thier new lead/mirrored suites, Northstar takes the first task to find The Odd Alliance. While Sersi and Cable fly in opposite directions until suddenly one of the Northstars finds the other team.

Cable: The Northstar that has the visual, I need you to do a big circle around them and follow from a very high, distant point and keep an eye out for us. the Rest of the NorthStars, return to Sersi(5) and I(4).

With Cables strong telepathy, he sees everything The Odd Alliance does through the NorthStar. carrying thier respective MJ's, Sersi and Cable steer to close in on The Odd Alliance.
While on the other side:

Hyperion: You were right Cyclops, there was a LOT of turbulence all over the city before, Some how they have found us. They're headed right for us.

Cyclops: Multiple NorthStars. That means they have a pair of eyes on us right now. We have to act NOW! Before they get too close togother and on top of us... Attack Sersi and expect Multiple speedsters. Just remember the trigger.

Back to The AnnoyingSilence:
Seeing this movement, the Information is transferred to the rest of the team and the stalking NorthStar returns to Cable(who bullets off towards Sersi).

If a Northstar had flown overhead, even with the mirrored armor, Hyperion would have still seen him. He can see miles and miles and in such detail as the chlorophyl in a plant leaf. The thing with mirrors are that they reflect, so he'd see the image of buildings in the air and he'd know something was up, not to mention he could just look through it to see the Northstars (remember, they wouldn't know who he was to do the lead thing... if that would even work to begin with). He could also hear heartbeats from a decent distance. The moment Northstar would have come near, Hyperion would have been on him and taken him out quickly like a bolt of lightening. Without knowing who he is they wouldn't expect his speed, which is about on par with Northstar's. That'd be one less Northstar, or several most likely, but nonetheless it MAY have still given Cable their location, so it'd change very little. And I doubt the Northstars would even be around anyway.

Sersi, Multiple Man, MountJoy, 5 hidden NorthStars Vs. The Odd Alliance

Flying in high dropping off passengers, Hyperion hits Sersi's Telekinetic Shield, Sersi Dramatizing a fall(grabbing her MountJoy on her way down between two buildings).
Vulcan depowers Multiple Man and Cyclops knocks'm out.
Racing to the edge of the roof to get a spot on Sersi, 5 Northstars explode on to The Odd Alliance from over the roofs edge. Even now up close with NS's mirrored armor, the Odd Alliance can barely see them.

Mirrors wouldn't make them invisible. They'd see themselves staring back, not to mention if they fly the buildings would be looking down at them. It seems to me like it'd be very easy to tell where they are.

With The Odd Alliance initially stunned, one NorthStar snaps his fingers, blinding The Odd Alliance

This would do nothing to Skullfire and I doubt it'd do much to Vulcan or Cyclops. Light is just energy, which Vulcan is the master of, and Cyclops has a little protection due to his visor and the constant red beam/light behind them that omits from his own eyes. Likely, it'll stun some of them, but Vulcan would quickly just take that light blast and turn it back on the AnnoyingSilence team. It's kinda what he does.

, then all 5 grab Vulcan and throw him off the roof(where he floats).

Heh, Vulcan wouldn't float. He'd just turn around and blast them all to dust. He can fly through space and such things with no problem, etc. This would do nothing to him but tick him off... which is VERY bad for your team.

Returning to battle, Sersi drops Her MountJoy off on the roof after the blinding flash.
Sersi drains the energy out of Skullfire, MountJoy reduces the reaction time of Vulcan while 3 Northstar pound on him.
2 Northstars on Cyclops (using wide spread blasts to act like an attacking shield)and not being able to get a bead on a NS, Chase quickly switchs to Sersi's MJ. With the easy shot, but reeling from the flash, he shoots the MountJoy all over, breaking his focus from Vulcan.

Even with reduced reaction time, the Northstars wouldn't stand a chance against Vulcan, but I'll talk about that in the next paragraph. And I think it's pour debating to take out Skullfire without having him do anything or use his powers in any way. Remember, the light would have done nothing to Skullfire and he'd be more attentive to what is going on. He'd know that Sersi's powers would be difficult to him (as due to cyclops, they'd all know about their opponents), so he wouldn't be anywhere near her and likely would already be trained on Mountjoy or others.

Eventualy, Vulcan falls to the street below knocked out... With all his vaunted power, He has the durability of a regular human and his reaction cut in half by MJ. Though he flies until hes knocked out. hes stunned and severely hurt by every punch from the 3 Nss.

This is SEVERELY downplaying Vulcan. First off, here is how I see the battle with the Northstars going (again, if there even IS more than one Northstar). They attack, Vulcan is ticked. Even if he is somehow slowed down by Mountjoy, his speed is insane. And it doesn't take hardly any reaction time to fire off a huge energy blast at near 360 degrees. That is typically his attack of choice anyhow and it always leaves people as burning corpses. He does this so often that it's almost hilarious. The Northstars are fast, yes, but if they're focusing on hitting Vulcan so much, then they're right there and this blast would fry them with no problem whatsoever, especially if they use any energy-based power against him... that'd turn out REAL bad for them (such as the light bursts, etc.).

It's also debatable that, as an above-Omega leveled master of energy manipulation, he could potentially drain the kinetic energy used by the Northstars to completely drain away their speed and extra strength, leaving them pretty much defenseless. If he can control sounds waves in space to make a person hear his voice when there is none, draining the energy created by kinetic movement should be child's play.

So yeah, these Northstars would be toast. Vulcan would still be at fairly full power, ticked off, and ready to slay everyone he sees! SEVERELY underplayed!

Cyclops: Take Flight!!

The Odd Alliance instantly lay against the roof. Taking his Visor off, Cyclops does a complete 360' turn, instantly knocking out MountJoy, Sersi w/o a shield this time takes greater damage and is she slams into a building.
But seeing how Cyclops' Optic Blasts reflect off of mirrors, the further NorthStars go UnHarmed and instantly beat cyclops into unconciousness after the blast is over.

My problem with this is that, again, mirrors are a horrible battle armor. They break easily. And by this point in the match they'd have already been broken or cracked or whatever. Remember, I believe that the Northstars would either be A) not there due to the above mentioned reasonings, or B) already dead thanks to Vulcan.

But IIIFFFF they were still kicking by this point, and IIIFFFF they still had functioning reflective armor... this is Cyclops we're talking about here. He's a strategic genious. He'd use that reflective propery to his advantage. His eye beams are force and can throw someone off their course, knocking Northstars into each other and such, but also, he's been known to use reflections to redirect his blasts in ways the enemy may not see coming.

For those of you who've read the Eve of Destruction storyline right after he came back from the dead but right before Morrison took over X-Men and made it New X-Men, there were two scenes where Cyclops did such a thing. One he used reflection to take out Blob and Random when they were behind walls. And he used it to take out an entire army of Genoshan guards... enough to where even Wolverine was impressed.

Likely, the Northstars would just give him new angles of attack. He'd knock them around and reflect beams off of them to hit people like Cable or whoever. He wouldn't just sit around defenseless at all.

Cable, MountJoy, Multiple Man and 7 Northstars Vs. Hyperion, Ambrose Chase

As Cables team draws close, MultipleMan: YEA! Now that the saviors on the scene, Lets see who rocks this party!

Hyperion bursts down through the buildings roof, circling around with all his might to punching Cable. And pancakes and his extended shield.
Cable finds Hyperions mechanical telepathic block, smashes it and puts him to sleep.
Ambrose Chase tries to shoot the MountJoy now that he has left Cable side, but the bullets bounce off Cables still entacced shield. Grabbing MountJoys attention, which in retaliation MJ blankets Ambrose with a basilisk field fires his crossbow, gets hit a couple times by gunfire, uses his mindlink with the 3 Northstars to beat Chase down.

Wait... so now there's two Mountjoys? One with Sersi and one with Cable? I'd like to point out that you never had Mountjoy multiply himself in the prelude, so this is a bit off from how you started the story... but even so, his leaving Multiple Man would still cause the same problems I claimed with Northstar, so I don't believe Mountjoy would have duplicates.

Also, can Cable mess with the minds of aliens? I can't ever recall actually having seen that happen. Unless an example can be stated, I'm not sure I believe Cable can just shut Hyperion off like tht.



And now, a final few thoughts on the write up overall.

• I detailed my issues with multiple Mountjoys and Northstars. Without Jamie's X-Gene that allows him to have multiples with personalities and such, I don't see Northstar or Mountjoy being able to maintain the doubles. And I'm not even sure I see Cable allowing this due to how off the handle Norsthar and Mountjoy are. Mountjoy could try something like this without Cable's approval, but if Madelyne Pryor can rip Mountjoy out of his hosts, so can Cable (Burnt Offering).

• Neither Skullfire or Ambrose Chase were shown once using their abilities in any way. Skullfire did nothing but get taken out and Ambrose just fired his guns. That severely limits them and is a pretty pour usage of their characters. And you nearly ignore Hyperion until it's opportune to take him out.

• SEVERELY underplayed Vulcan, who is arguably more powerful than anyone else on the playing field.

• And lastly... and most importantly. You had no strategy whatsoever for the Odd Alliance. And being that their leader is Cyclops, a strategic genius who is very familiar with every single member of the AnnoyingSilence team, that is really downplaying not only Cyclops, by my entire team. I'd say a good 75% of the attacks could have been deflected with good strategic planning... something Cyclops excels at, especially in recent years. I think THAT is the biggest fault of the write up.

[JewishHobbit]

Originally Posted by AnnoyingSilence

Your nuts. Northstar was leading armies into multiple attacks against x-men and sentinels. hes far from nuts and would had been the most complient.

He was attempting to kill the X-Men, his former friends, and that's not nuts? He's a soldier, but he's not mister good will ambassador. This mentality is unpredictable.

Cable, sersi, northstar and multiple man will instantly know thier good guys. and unlike your team, i have two POWERFUL telepaths that Make him do w/e they want.

Just because they're telepaths doesn't mean they'll do this. Cable, and especially during Burnt Offering, was more like Xavier than the old soldier of the 90's. He wouldn't control someone else to do his bidding... this was kinda taboo.

As for Sersi, if I'm not mistaken, she was only extreme like this during the Proctor storyline. You haven't specified her at that time period, which is long past, so I don't see her taking control of others and using them as puppets either.

i thought MJ was riding NS. and if not. then why do it in your prebattle.
and what about followed by the speed of mountjoy/northstar?
his strength?
basilisk field?
Poison Bolts from his crossbow?
theres 2 people on your team that are physically resistant to anything is Skullfire and Hyperion

I'm not really getting what you're saying here. Mountjoy is riding Northstar and I think it's obvious. The rest would come in time if given the chance. And yes, Skullfire and Hyperion is resistant to physical injury, thanks for the clarification.

yea right.
he would have hit chase with a basilisk field and jumped from NS's body right into AC's, gaining complete control and experience over his powers instantly.
did it in Bishop #4. from bishop, into psylocke, kicks bishop out of the air, psycic knifes gambit and jumps in him.
isn't captain britains(MU) force field MUCH STRONGER than Ambrose chases(DR)?

Nope. Captain Britain's is just a basic forcefield built into his suit. He's uber for a lot of other reasons. If I had to guess, and this is just my opinion based on what I've seen... but when Ambrose has his field up, I'd call it much better than Cap's forcefield. Either way though, his field should be plenty to stop Mountjoy from jumping into him, such as he did in Bishop 4. And the best part is, they wouldn't know to expect this so there's nothing Mountjoy can do to prevent this.

Multiple Man doesn't need skullfire to attack him to be able to multiply
what? how strong is skullfire?
Timothy could control his powers at will. Absorbing the energy of Halo City's powerplants giving Timothy a permanent source of power
his body was destroyed
now IS capable of levitation and can absorb and channel the energy around him with far more ease and control
Right.... skullfire is a regular...

Everything I've stated for Skullfire is within his abilities. He was limited at one time but became more powerful in Halo City, but was still limited by human limitations. But once his body was destroyed he was no longer confined to those limitations, making his absorption and energy control far easier. This is all within his abilities and class.

And no, Madrox doesn't need Skullfire hitting him to multiply, but the idea there was... why create more dupes if you don't have to? Why add to it?

did you just have cyclops kill MM? or have him killed? because that is what it'd take to stop his dupes.

Actually, not at all. It's very well established throughout the history of Multiple Man that if you knock out Jamie Prime, the rest of the dupes vanish unless they've gained their own sentience... which you've pointed out that they haven't (by stating that they are all of one personality, not individual). So when skullfire finds Jamie Prime, the rest of the dupes go down.

(Oh, and that also goes for any of them Northstar or Mountjoy dupes in your write up )

yea because sersi is Sooooo weak. shes only been in battle with avengers ump-teen-times, and has jumped in front of villains such as Exodus and challenged them head on.

Okay then. She's more offensive, jumping in the middle of Hyperion and Vulcan, making herself a greater target and more likely to be focused on... taking away any advantage she may gain by allowing her opponents to take on each other... putting her at a great disadvantage.... but if that's how YOU want to play it, then that's cool with me. Easier win I was just trying to give her a fair shot in the match.

1. you say a husk was left... something to heal from(non-genetically altered)
2. Sersi is the only living Fifth Level adept at matter transmutation(on a 1-5 scale). She has the ability to alter molecular and atomic structures of all matter including living organisms. However, she has expressed difficulty in rearranging sub-atomic matter.

Again, you've never specified Sersi as the version during the Proctor storyline, which was when she was crazy enough to harm someone by altering them like that. Typically, it would be out of character for Sersi to do this to another human being. Just because she can, doesn't mean she will. My opinion, you really need to specify Sersi as Sersi (Proctor) or something like that so you can make these claims without being questioned about being in character.

3. if you can't kill vulcan by dispersing his atoms, how can you kill him?

Hey, that's not my problem to figure out. That's all you. And besides the fact that Sersi probably wouldn't kill him anyway... there are more ways to stop a guy without killing him

[AnnoyingSilence]

wow. try to narrow it down a little. that much banter is only adding negativity to the game.

i'll be suffice to say: we will all stretch the truth a little in our stories(keeping it reasonable).

JH has some of his people going in with no telepathic blocks, which leaves all the information that my team was missin wide open and thier position exposed.
no multiple NS's or MJ's? my team only split up into two teams because there were 15 of'm.
and you wanna get technical we can follow DTL rule: equal power class fights(unless par to that character you have to demise a way to "defuse" said lower lvl character)
Cable still puts hyperion to sleep(which he would do because its an obvious exploit to someone so strong).
mr. powerplant himself(skullfire(who can go w/o physical form)) still can only be defused by sersi.
Vulcan is powerful, but not physically resistant and he doesn't go around just depowering people. and hes facing Cable The Savior and Sersi The Eternal.
Cyclops is obviously considered the bigger threat, so MJ and NS quickly put him out(and lets be real. even if Cyclops does a 360' unvisored optic blast, he wouldn't affect the ubers flying high in the air and to the NS's him doing this would be in slow motion).
and Chase ain't got enough bullets for MM.

MJ/NS/MM made all the dupes, When MJ/NS/MM expelled the NS's the gene would automatically go with. they are dupes

Originally Posted by JH

Just because they're telepaths doesn't mean they'll do this. Cable, and especially during Burnt Offering, was more like Xavier than the old soldier of the 90's. He wouldn't control someone else to do his bidding... this was kinda taboo.

this was not taboo. because no onesminds were controlled.
and during burnt offering, i'm sure cable could talk himself into doing whats best for the world and mind melding somone.